#644631 - 03/22/08 01:52 PM
Re: fresh beaver casters ...question
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The Beav
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Registered: 12/23/06
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Loc: Wisconsin
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Open the green castors scrape out all the contents and add glycrien and mix to form a paste and you have some of the best beaver lure going. It's all I use.
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#644776 - 03/22/08 03:42 PM
Re: fresh beaver casters ...question
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possum skinner
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Registered: 12/25/06
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Loc: Virginia 38 - act 10 - feel 68
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#644919 - 03/22/08 05:20 PM
Re: fresh beaver casters ...question
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Dave Plueger
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Registered: 01/10/07
Posts: 678
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You may get a slightly more concentrated castor odor by scraping out the inside rather than using the whole sac but I wouldnt think it would be much of a difference. I have used the juice from full sacs mixed with a little urine from the bladder when dealing with "smart" beavs in the past. For general beaver trapping I still prefer a formulated castor based lure. Certain additives enhance the castor and have greater calling power.
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#644966 - 03/22/08 05:57 PM
Re: fresh beaver casters ...question
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Billfrank
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Registered: 12/22/06
Posts: 1185
Loc: TEXAS
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Open the green castors scrape out all the contents and add glycrien and mix to form a paste and you have some of the best beaver lure going. It's all I use.
Same here.
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#645097 - 03/22/08 07:22 PM
Re: fresh beaver casters ...question
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The Beav
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 779
Loc: Wisconsin
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I never dry any castor. I remove the castors from the beaver open the green castor squeez out any liquid Into a container. Then scrape out all the contents try not to get any of the sac material In the scrapings. I have found that by putting the green sac material In the scrapings that you will get a sour smell to your lure. I guess If I used some type of preservitive In the lure I could probbaly use the whole sac. I know If you would dry It out then grind then the sac material wouldn't have any effect. But In the green stage It does.
It's just the simplest way I know how to make a good beaver lure right on the spot. It seems to work pretty good. It's probaly the most natural way to make It.
I tried to add urine I didn't like it I tried adding a small amount of sac oil I didn't like It, It's just not natural.
Now I have used urine and I have used sac oil but not mixed togeather.
I know when I let It dry out lets say over the off season It does get a stronger odor to It.
A old bounty trapper told me about It.
Another thing he showed me was that he alway's tied a sring or a piece of wire from the trap to the lure stick. He said he wanted that lure stick gone when he made a catch. I guess he just didn't want the beaver to get use to that lure and wanted a trap In place when one came In. Does any of that make any sense?
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#645179 - 03/22/08 08:12 PM
Re: fresh beaver casters ...question
[Re: The Beav]
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Dave Plueger
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Registered: 01/10/07
Posts: 678
Loc: Iowa (where the tall corn grow...
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I agree that adding sac oil to castor is not natural but urine with castor is as natural as you can get since it is the exact same way in which a beaver marks its territory. the castorium is expelled with urine.
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#645223 - 03/22/08 08:35 PM
Re: fresh beaver casters ...question
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possum skinner
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Registered: 12/25/06
Posts: 2395
Loc: Virginia 38 - act 10 - feel 68
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#645415 - 03/22/08 11:33 PM
Re: fresh beaver casters ...question
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TasteLikeChicken
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Registered: 12/22/06
Posts: 1937
Loc: Oregon
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Sack oil and castor don't mix? They come out the same hole...LOL. I mix it and/or use castor straight and it'll hammer them either way.
Also you can save the sac oil and use it seperate for the smart ones that are castor shy.
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#645851 - 03/23/08 10:12 AM
Re: fresh beaver casters ...question
[Re: TasteLikeChicken]
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The Beav
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Registered: 12/23/06
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Loc: Wisconsin
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Just because It comes out of the same hole dosen't mean It gets mixed. LOl
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#651420 - 03/26/08 01:22 PM
Re: fresh beaver casters ...question
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LT GREY
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Registered: 04/09/07
Posts: 5554
Loc: Central Ohio
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Dave P. is exactly right on the castor "expelled" with urine . . . which is exactly the way a beaver marks it! Yet, you never find anyone who makes and SELLS it that way . . . which is the most natural. Also it doesn't smell as "sweet" as the lures you buy from a dealer!
If you hang up a beaver for about a day, most will have some urine in the bladder. I mix this with fresh castor when making a set for a nuisance or "spooky" beaver.
As for "how much" castor to use at a set, many trappers use far too much . . . and of course, if the scent mound is elevated, ( as most are) the wind current carries it uphill instead of out to the stream at water level where the beaver's nose is anyway!
Aside from that . . . while most lure dealers would like us to use a spoonful, it isn't at all necessary.
When I was a younger man, I was trapping with an elderly gentleman from Oklahoma. He asked, “Want'a know how much castor it takes to catch a beaver?” Of course I did.
He takes a small stick about the size of a drinking straw . . . sticks it "up into" a beaver we had just dispatched, twists it around a little, then pulls it out. "That's all you need" he says, as I leaned over to smell it. He goes over and sticks it in the bank a few feet from where I'm standing . . . no castor mound . . . just the stick!
Next day, (you guessed it) . . . Monster blanket in that trap! 
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#651455 - 03/26/08 01:35 PM
Re: fresh beaver casters ...question
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goldy
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Registered: 12/31/07
Posts: 1210
Loc: minnesota
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I've tried just about everything over the years and I haven't seen a whole lot of difference in anything I did as far as mixing castor/urine/oil. About the time I thought I was on to something new, it would somehow be proven otherwise. As far as using too much castor, I don't think it's possible in the spring. I've seen natural castor mounds after ice-out that even I could smell for a long ways. I guess in the fall it might be possible, but I still can't see a beaver turning away because of too much castor smell. For me, I would rather have too much than not enough.
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#651465 - 03/26/08 01:44 PM
Re: fresh beaver casters ...question
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coy1
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Registered: 03/10/08
Posts: 28
Loc: wis
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I have to agree with Goldy more is better castor/oil/and???? is my favorite
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#652378 - 03/26/08 08:08 PM
Re: fresh beaver casters ...question
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old rat trapper
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Registered: 02/07/07
Posts: 135
Loc: Kentucky
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anyone add anis or birch oil to their castors
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#652435 - 03/26/08 08:34 PM
Re: fresh beaver casters ...question
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Ron
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Registered: 01/26/07
Posts: 296
Loc: Bemidji, MN
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What your are your thought guys about female versus male castors, The best beaver trapper that i know of uses only females. What are your thoughts?
Beav. I think the advantage to tieing a wire to the lure stick and the trap would be to get the castor smell away from the area so another beaver dont try to chew on the one in the trap versus having them get used to the smell. Just an idea
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#652750 - 03/27/08 04:16 AM
Re: fresh beaver casters ...question
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mike jerrell
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Registered: 01/23/07
Posts: 1637
Loc: Mississippi
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I removed the castor froma beaver that had been caught moments befor this past season,caught a beaver from it that night too. Didnt' we dbljaw? I had forgot my beaver lure that day.
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#652925 - 03/27/08 07:28 AM
Re: fresh beaver casters ...question
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Bob Jameson
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Registered: 12/25/06
Posts: 1367
Loc: SW Pa
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There are several ways to process castors to lure grade use. From simple preparation to more complex formulating. The important thing to do is to clean the castors and oil sacs of all remaining tissue, fat and membrane as best you can. As this material in even small amounts at times can and does change the final odor result.Genuine clean castor will last a longgg time but rough cut castors will spoil/sour draw bugs etc. and cause some undesirable results in a formula due to their odor change.
I prefer a surface dried finished product before processing. At this time you can also remove any distinquishable undesirable waste left on them more easily.From this point you can do as you wish with them.Freeze, grind, scrape etc.Freeze and label is what I do until use. Others that have a specific formuation purpose I will grind,preserve and let age until needed.
It is a wise practice to stir your ground and preserved material occasionally to allow better contact with your preserving slurry. Most materials expand and compress after grinding to some degree. Intermitent stirring ensures good contact with all the material and will prevent dead spots in your mix.
If all components are clean,well blended and then preserved properly, just about any combination can be achieved to develop a desired end result odor.
Preserving and stopping is extremely important to maintain and sustain good quality of your product.If done right it will last forever in a sealed container.
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#654184 - 03/27/08 07:39 PM
Re: fresh beaver casters ...question
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Ron
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Registered: 01/26/07
Posts: 296
Loc: Bemidji, MN
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