#642723 - 03/21/08 10:09 AM
Green belly
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Hupurest
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Registered: 12/26/06
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Loc: Las anchorage
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I skun two fox last night that I had in the freezer and they both had green belly, actually the cross fox had some "brownish green" belly.(thank god they were froze, cause man did it stink)
here is the background.
Both fox were snared about a month ago.
it was -20+ for a week straight, and I started a new job.
I finally got to check em 4 days after the cold snap, so techincally they could have been there for 11 days, whcih I doubt because no birds hit em and they were pretty solid then..
anyways, the green belly is around the wee wee's and the crotch area and that is it.
I fleshed them very very well, taking caution to get all the green belly off.
however, the hide still has a light greenish tint to it.
after fleshing and stretching, I rubbed Heavy amounts of borax over the effected area..
My question is.. What are the odds or chances of slippage in the tanning process, and what can i do to prevent this NOW that it happened (i realize taking em out of the snares earlier would prevent this)
thanks
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#642781 - 03/21/08 10:43 AM
Re: Green belly
[Re: Hupurest]
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Ohbuyer
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Registered: 12/26/06
Posts: 1299
Loc: Massillon,Ohio
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I would say you have a 50% chance either way. There is nothing more you can do to the hides...once tainted always tainted.
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#642824 - 03/21/08 11:11 AM
Re: Green belly
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tommyshoots
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There is nothing quite so breath takeing as SPOILED FURS !lol
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#643061 - 03/21/08 01:54 PM
Re: Green belly
[Re: Kusko]
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Hupurest
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Loc: Las anchorage
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i posted here first.
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#643070 - 03/21/08 02:02 PM
Re: Green belly
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Kusko
"Mr. Mayor"
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Registered: 12/23/06
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Loc: Bethel, AK
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I would say you have a 50% chance either way. There is nothing more you can do to the hides...once tainted always tainted.
So...are 30-50% of the wolves out there no good??? or have bad bellies?
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#643074 - 03/21/08 02:09 PM
Re: Green belly
[Re: Kusko]
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Ohbuyer
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Loc: Massillon,Ohio
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I would say you have a 50% chance either way. There is nothing more you can do to the hides...once tainted always tainted. So...are 30-50% of the wolves out there no good??? or have bad bellies?
Not at all, were talking a couple fox here not wolves,but there is a difference between the fat being green or the skin being green.The fat will scrap off with no effects but the skin will stay green / gray looking when dry and most likely pull or shed when tanned..thats all i'm saying.
Edited by Ohbuyer (03/21/08 02:22 PM)
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#643175 - 03/21/08 03:05 PM
Re: Green belly
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bulletbox
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 1659
Loc: Robert Lee, TEXAS
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I would take a 50/50 bleach-water mix and stray the area down on the flesh side... then flesh the fox, then borax the fur side, turn it and borax the flesh side... and tack it on the board, let the get tacky, then turn it, and bora the crap out of it again... and put it fur side out...
I haven't had one slip yet... but some folks would tell you I don't know nothing anyway.... LOL....
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#643563 - 03/21/08 06:56 PM
Re: Green belly
[Re: Daniel Edinger]
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white17
"General (Mr.Sunshine) Washington"
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Loc: McGrath, AK
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I have skinned a lot of fox and wolves. Most were NOT warm and had been frozen for a while. Probably the overwhelming majority had green belly. I've yet to have one slip.
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#643572 - 03/21/08 07:01 PM
Re: Green belly
[Re: Daniel Edinger]
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GritGuy
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Registered: 12/23/06
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Loc: Magna, Utah
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All animals can have green belly and be fine, just in case you never read the whole text I wrote, I said when it gets into the leather, Big Difference!!! than just having it laying on the surface on the fat and underneath layer right agianst the leather. Misting with bleach after removing this will almost garuantee the bacteria dieing and not moving into the LEATHER.
It's much more noticeable on thin skinned animals then any thing else, however just cause you see it on the skin from the fur side does not neccessarily mean that it's in the leather.
I've dealt with it for years on peoples animals brought in and know exactly when a pelt will slip or not just by the coloring and the amount of darkness in the green when it's IN the leather.
I've got wolf and almost every other animal besides that only the bellies have slippage, an absolute sure sign of green belly.
There are always exceptions to everything with the cold temps being the best excuse for northern animals being able to get away with green on the belly.
Most will find that the heavy grease animals are almost immune to this happening to the LEATHER, though it will show up in different degrees even in them if they are left long enough with out being cold. The have so much grease and fat on the inside of them that the green has a long time before it gets to the actual LEATHER!!
A good prime example is Badgers, they almost always will go green quickly on the belly very dark as well, yet when working them down you will find that this green almost always will scrape off, leaving just a very light green that needs misting with bleach which after it's done will return to almost the same color as the surrounding area.
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#643591 - 03/21/08 07:08 PM
Re: Green belly
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Jtrapper
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Ever tried white vinegar on them Grit?
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#643607 - 03/21/08 07:13 PM
Re: Green belly
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white17
"General (Mr.Sunshine) Washington"
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Yeah come to think of it I've never seen a beaver with green belly.
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#643785 - 03/21/08 08:27 PM
Re: Green belly
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Jtrapper
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Thanks Grit, once again I learned something new, lol.
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#643799 - 03/21/08 08:34 PM
Re: Green belly
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Jtrapper
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A professional what? lol.
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#643809 - 03/21/08 08:39 PM
Re: Green belly
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possum skinner
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Registered: 12/25/06
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#643823 - 03/21/08 08:49 PM
Re: Green belly
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cwb
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Registered: 03/10/07
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Loc: Mo.
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I think is the acids in the stomach that comes through that causes green belly. Even when I put whole carcasses in the freezer , always turn belly up.
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