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#596959 - 02/24/08 09:30 PM Bottom edge set?
minkmaster minkmaster trapper Registered: 11/04/07 Posts: 1484 Loc: Mt Erie, Illinois	I have had it described by numerous peole, but do not understand it. Any one who can explain it in great detail, I would appreciate it. Mink _________________________ -Lil' Grizz Anti- $\:D$
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#596966 - 02/24/08 09:34 PM Re: Bottom edge set? [Re: minkmaster]
Nick C Nick C trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 6540 Loc: Iowa 21 YEARS OLD	Now I'm just a beginner Bottom Edge setter myself. I caught a muskrat here, so I assume I was on "location". It's been said that a good BE location is where a point comes out in the water. I think this location suits that definition. I used this old broom pole to support my 110, there is better stabilizer systems out there, but like I said, it was just trial and error for me. _________________________ I'm not really a Trapper, but I play one on the Internet
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#596975 - 02/24/08 09:37 PM Re: Bottom edge set? [Re: Nick C]
minkmaster minkmaster trapper Registered: 11/04/07 Posts: 1484 Loc: Mt Erie, Illinois	So how deep down do you set it? Mink _________________________ -Lil' Grizz Anti- $\:D$
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#596993 - 02/24/08 09:42 PM Re: Bottom edge set? [Re: minkmaster]
goldy goldy trapper Registered: 12/31/07 Posts: 1209 Loc: minnesota	Right on the bottom, use guide sticks.
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#596994 - 02/24/08 09:43 PM Re: Bottom edge set? [Re: minkmaster]
Nick C Nick C trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 6540 Loc: Iowa 21 YEARS OLD	Originally Posted By: minkmaster So how deep down do you set it? Mink On the bottom, and on the edge of the bank, tight. Bottom...Edge.... _________________________ I'm not really a Trapper, but I play one on the Internet
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#596997 - 02/24/08 09:45 PM Re: Bottom edge set? [Re: minkmaster]
Kelly Kelly trapper Registered: 02/15/07 Posts: 469 Loc: Iowa	Awesome location Nick C. and right on the mark. Set up the one just behind it, too. The trap is put right on the bottom where it meets the bank. In the place shown there will be a hard edge in both places as the current bumps here. Hunting mink will be underwater and along the edge. I prefer 160's or even 220's to cover more area. I just use one spring and leave the other one hooked(usually one next to bank). There is a great book out there that goes into detail and is not that expensive. A "minkmaster" should have a copy. Edited by Kelly (04/06/08 04:13 PM) _________________________ Yours for better trapping, Kelly
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#597011 - 02/24/08 09:51 PM Re: Bottom edge set? [Re: Kelly]
minkmaster minkmaster trapper Registered: 11/04/07 Posts: 1484 Loc: Mt Erie, Illinois	Originally Posted By: Kelly Ther eis a great book out there that goes into detail and is not that expensive. A "minkmaster" should have a copy. I should, shouldnt I $\:D$ . How deep of water do you want to do it in? If anyone has this book, pm me. I hate ordering from companys because shipping will kill you. Mink _________________________ -Lil' Grizz Anti- $\:D$
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#597012 - 02/24/08 09:52 PM Re: Bottom edge set? [Re: Nick C]
Minker Minker trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 245 Loc: Ohio	that point would be a good place , but so would the not so obvious point across the creek from it as well as the incurved bank before the one you set and the incurved bank after the point i mentioned on the other side. undercut banks work as well as shear walled banks . all the set is , is an under water blind set . set the bodygripper ( or colony trap ) on the bottom and tight to the bank or tight up in the under cut . waters edge boulders and rocks can be set the same way , as well as bridge walls and abruptments , which work well with colony traps , on the bottom , tight against the wall. #110's , single spring #160's, single spring 220's , work best as alot of times theres not room for the 2nd spring . colony traps , i like bigger than usual sized ones , 6x6 will work but 7x7, 8x8 even 10 x 10 are better. some will only catch rats , some only mink and some both . you'll never know unless you set them . these sets are deadly for mink under ice . one thing to look for is underwater rat dens , put bottom edge sets both downstream and up stream of them for under ice mink . the watersedge boulders and rocks seem to pay off big time for under ice bottom edge mink sets for me . buy the bottom edge set book , bob noonnan drew some very good drawings in it that will help you figure it out . its just an underwater blind set. the mink and rats hug the underwater structure( the bank edge) and swim right into your waiting trap. mark
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#597022 - 02/24/08 09:55 PM Re: Bottom edge set? [Re: Minker]
minkmaster minkmaster trapper Registered: 11/04/07 Posts: 1484 Loc: Mt Erie, Illinois	Wow, thanks Mark. Mink _________________________ -Lil' Grizz Anti- $\:D$
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#597035 - 02/24/08 10:00 PM Re: Bottom edge set? [Re: minkmaster]
goldy goldy trapper Registered: 12/31/07 Posts: 1209 Loc: minnesota	A little blocking helps a lot too. I like to cut a top of a bush with lots of branches and stick it in the bottom to force them to hug the bank. Points with steep banks work good.
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#597039 - 02/24/08 10:02 PM Re: Bottom edge set? [Re: minkmaster]
Minker Minker trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 245 Loc: Ohio	how deep will the set work ? as deep as you can set a trap or colony cage. i've made catches in bottomedge set bodygrippers over 4 ft. deep, 6 feet deep with colony traps . mark
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#597060 - 02/24/08 10:20 PM Re: Bottom edge set? [Re: Minker]
goldy goldy trapper Registered: 12/31/07 Posts: 1209 Loc: minnesota	The picture above is an ideal spot for a bottom edge set. Note the ice shelf ends before the set. A mink will follow the ice shelf and enter the water there because of the steep bank. All it needs, in my opinion, is some guide sticks out from the broom handle to keep out any possibilities of him going around. I like to use a small dive stick as well. Makes any on-the-water swimmers dive into the trap. The ideal water depth I have found is about a foot deep or a little less.
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#597260 - 02/25/08 06:22 AM Re: Bottom edge set? [Re: goldy]
minkmaster minkmaster trapper Registered: 11/04/07 Posts: 1484 Loc: Mt Erie, Illinois	Thanks everyone, I think I get it. I will deffinatley be looking into that book. Mink _________________________ -Lil' Grizz Anti- $\:D$
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#597269 - 02/25/08 06:32 AM Re: Bottom edge set? [Re: goldy]
Mike367 Mike367 trapper Registered: 12/24/06 Posts: 505 Loc: NY	only stick needed is the one to keep the trap against the "edge". The mink will hold tight to the bottom edge. 110 conis work fine and the smaller 3 1/2 x 4 1/2 conis. work better. This set works great for a very low maintenance trapline. Points above and below culvert pools are the best and when the weather turns nasty sharpen the skinning knife. $;\)$
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#597272 - 02/25/08 06:34 AM Re: Bottom edge set? [Re: Mike367]
minkmaster minkmaster trapper Registered: 11/04/07 Posts: 1484 Loc: Mt Erie, Illinois	Man, I need to get a new pair of gauntlets if Im gonna be reaching into the water. One more question-How do you check it if its 3-4 feet down and under ice? Mink _________________________ -Lil' Grizz Anti- $\:D$
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#597494 - 02/25/08 09:43 AM Re: Bottom edge set? [Re: minkmaster]
Todd Lund Todd Lund trapper Registered: 12/24/06 Posts: 356 Loc: Wisconsin	I live and die on the mink line using the bottom edge set in December when the snow and ice come. I set a minimum of 4 to 6 sets per stop. If the bottom is too sandy or gravelly I use a tbar stake and sorta "grind" the stake in with wire attached and all. If a bridge abutment with a cement bottom I lean the brick against the back of the spring, tie the wire off to the brick. Don't make this set any harder than it is.....just look for protrusions and abutments that stick out. I don't use guide sticks. Its the natural location and configuration that makes the mink go around it. This year I used wooden lathe in most locations and smear with liquid mud if camouglage is needed for johnny sneakum. IMO if you are spending more than a minute making this set you're doing something wrong. The picture shown is a good one. Sometimes good sets aren't visible and you actually find them with your boot underwater. How deep can you go? How long are your shoulder gauntlets? _________________________ I trap mink because I can't help it.
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#597532 - 02/25/08 10:16 AM Re: Bottom edge set? [Re: Todd Lund]
Pelts Pelts trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 231 Loc: Michigan	_________________________
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#597785 - 02/25/08 01:43 PM Re: Bottom edge set? [Re: Pelts]
goldy goldy trapper Registered: 12/31/07 Posts: 1209 Loc: minnesota	I like guide sticks, I think it only helps. It certainly doesn't hurt. It only makes sense to give the animal fewer options. While I realize the set is designed to take mink that are probing the bottom, and is a great set, there is a lot of room around the trap. It doesn't take much time to add a few sticks and makes the set that much better IMO. Edited by goldy (02/25/08 01:44 PM)
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#597885 - 02/25/08 02:58 PM Re: Bottom edge set? [Re: goldy]
skunker101 skunker101 trapper Registered: 11/27/07 Posts: 394 Loc: SE MN	so to you guys who use the dive sticks. don't you worry about him goin just under the stick and not all the way to the bottom? just wantin to try this set. _________________________ Never knock on death's door...ring the bell and run... he hates that.
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#597905 - 02/25/08 03:09 PM Re: Bottom edge set? [Re: skunker101]
guideman guideman trapper Registered: 12/24/06 Posts: 143 Loc: Northern Michigan	I first went with Kenney before this set became popular, you would not believe the mink and muskrats he was catching,Todd you are right if your spending more than a minute at a set your taking to long,just have faith in the set and leave it there the mink will find it!Also some points that look good will not produce while points that look like nothing produce,I use 2 to 3 traps per stop. _________________________ shoot straight shoot to kill
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#598071 - 02/25/08 05:16 PM Re: Bottom edge set? [Re: skunker101]
goldy goldy trapper Registered: 12/31/07 Posts: 1209 Loc: minnesota	Originally Posted By: skunker101 so to you guys who use the dive sticks. don't you worry about him goin just under the stick and not all the way to the bottom? just wantin to try this set. You can't always use guide sticks at every spot. What I try to do is find the spots that are shallower, like 15" or less and use two or three sticks stuck into the bank above the trap, one being right at water level, the others "stacked" below the top one to the top of the trap. Or what I like to do in deep water is just jam a bush top into the bank above the trap, very easy to do. Don't use big sticks on top however, they may try to climb on it. But again, some places you can't use sticks because the water is too deep or under bridges if they have concrete walls. If you can't find shallow spots to set, don't let that stop you from setting. Like others have said, the set is very effective even without guide sticks. I just think sticks help stack the odds. Edited by goldy (02/25/08 05:36 PM)
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#598180 - 02/25/08 06:29 PM Re: Bottom edge set? [Re: goldy]
Mike367 Mike367 trapper Registered: 12/24/06 Posts: 505 Loc: NY	I can stop the truck, jump down in the creek set 2 or 3 points on. Run over to the other side of the road set 2 more points and be on my way in 15min. tops. Mink naturally travel on the bottom edge hunting, trying to ambush pray on the other side of the point. There is no need to guide them and force them to dive. You can sometimes run the toe of your boat in the groove thats made by the rats and mink, brushing the edge on the bottom. 95% of my mink sets are bottom edge. The other are trail sets going over roads. All 110s. No smelly bait, no trying to dig pockets, no coons, just clean the rats out and start nailing the mink. I can honestly say buying Kens book and video was the best investment I have ever made trapping wise.
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#598190 - 02/25/08 06:38 PM Re: Bottom edge set? [Re: Mike367]
ottertrapper ottertrapper trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 187 Loc: Michigan, United States	All I can say is bottom edge for mink it truly is an excellent set and since I have started using it my mink boards have been busier. The great thing is it is coon proof! Great for muskrats as well. Like Todd said if you take more than a minute you are doing too much they are quick and easy. No guide sticks needed. OT
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#599043 - 02/26/08 07:46 AM Re: Bottom edge set? [Re: ottertrapper]
Hayden Hayden trapper Registered: 06/14/07 Posts: 41 Loc: Birchwood, Tn. 37308	To check to see if you got a hit on a deep trap, take a sterofoam shipping peanut and a needle and thread and tie a thread on it. I use 26 guage electronic bus wire and wrap just over the trap jaws but not tied when the trap is set and tie the thread to the center of the short piece of thin wire. Peanut floats, when trap is thrown, peanut will float away by current. You don't see the peanut you got a hit on the trap. That simple. Hayden
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#599276 - 02/26/08 11:01 AM Re: Bottom edge set? [Re: Hayden]
Todd Lund Todd Lund trapper Registered: 12/24/06 Posts: 356 Loc: Wisconsin	The best part of the bottom edge set is sitting in my office at work and looking out of the window at sleet, snow, wind and rain and realizing that ALL of my bottom edge sets are operational unless clogged with a rat or mink. For a part time hobby trapper thats a pretty good percentage. _________________________ I trap mink because I can't help it.
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#599283 - 02/26/08 11:09 AM Re: Bottom edge set? [Re: Todd Lund]
CoopDog CoopDog trapper Registered: 04/25/07 Posts: 1154 Loc: Mid-Ohio 16 years old	well now i know how to increase my mink catches next season _________________________ Cant wait till next season!!!!!!
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#599288 - 02/26/08 11:13 AM Re: Bottom edge set? [Re: CoopDog]
LT GREY LT GREY trapper Registered: 04/09/07 Posts: 5551 Loc: Central Ohio	Funny part was the guy who came up with it, made a mink video and then made a "beaver & otter" video but couldn't catch even one otter to put in his video.... $\:\)$ Still a good set though!
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#600022 - 02/26/08 05:37 PM Re: Bottom edge set? [Re: LT GREY]
minkmaster minkmaster trapper Registered: 11/04/07 Posts: 1484 Loc: Mt Erie, Illinois	Thanks guys, more pics would be wonderful, showing where to set and whatnot. mink _________________________ -Lil' Grizz Anti- $\:D$
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#600102 - 02/26/08 06:20 PM Re: Bottom edge set? [Re: LT GREY]
ottertrapper ottertrapper trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 187 Loc: Michigan, United States	Originally Posted By: LT GREY Funny part was the guy who came up with it, made a mink video and then made a "beaver & otter" video but couldn't catch even one otter to put in his video.... $\:\)$ Still a good set though! He had them in his book though with pics so not that funny really. He made a lot of people happy by coming up with that set. Works great once you figure out where to set them. OT
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#600589 - 02/26/08 09:11 PM Re: Bottom edge set? [Re: ottertrapper]
minkmaster minkmaster trapper Registered: 11/04/07 Posts: 1484 Loc: Mt Erie, Illinois	Im ordering the book, it has interested me way too much. Mink _________________________ -Lil' Grizz Anti- $\:D$
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#601508 - 02/27/08 11:14 AM Re: Bottom edge set? [Re: minkmaster]
Daniel Edinger Daniel Edinger trapper Registered: 12/30/06 Posts: 3272 Loc: Eastern NC	Love that bottom edge set! There's a couple videos out too...
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#601602 - 02/27/08 12:23 PM Re: Bottom edge set? [Re: Daniel Edinger]
creekman coon creekman coon trapper Registered: 01/05/07 Posts: 323 Loc: Iowa	I was wondering how you guys stabilized the trap? stabilizers? or sticks? or what? Thanks Brett
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#601604 - 02/27/08 12:24 PM Re: Bottom edge set? [Re: Daniel Edinger]
creekman coon creekman coon trapper Registered: 01/05/07 Posts: 323 Loc: Iowa	I was wondering how you guys stabilized the trap? stabilizers? or sticks? or what? Thanks Brett
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