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#594081 - 02/22/08 09:20 PM to much glycerine in castorUPDATED
lennitrapper lennitrapper trapper Registered: 01/14/07 Posts: 1171 Loc: south east pa	i over estemated how much glycrine id need to cover my castor i have,the glycerine has now all taken on a brown color to it,will this still work for beaver even tho its deluted,and if not for beaver can i still use it as a mix-up lure for reds/yotes/coon/mink? Edited by lennitrapper (03/02/08 10:10 AM) _________________________ "Volunteer firefighters,unpaid professionals"
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#594119 - 02/22/08 09:42 PM Re: to much glycerine in castor [Re: lennitrapper]
RayA RayA trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 1138 Loc: Buckner Mo.	Lennit depending on how much ya have mixed into yer castor usually the castor will still work. were the castor whole or ground ya added it too?? ive had some that were bone dry before and added glycern to get them so i could grind them with my hand grinder.it soaks in and softens them up.it should work fine as a curiosity lure for those mentioned. RayA _________________________ Polititians are alot like dirty diapers and need to be changed for the same reason I dont suffer from Insanity i enjoy every minute of it.
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#594130 - 02/22/08 09:48 PM Re: to much glycerine in castor [Re: RayA]
lennitrapper lennitrapper trapper Registered: 01/14/07 Posts: 1171 Loc: south east pa	it ws just cut outta the sack..i dont know if i did it right i cut the sack open and got a whole bunch of granual-isj brown and yellow stuff that smelled like castor outta it,then put that in the glycerine _________________________ "Volunteer firefighters,unpaid professionals"
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#594185 - 02/22/08 10:27 PM Re: to much glycerine in castor [Re: lennitrapper]
possum skinner possum skinner trapper Registered: 12/25/06 Posts: 2395 Loc: Virginia 38 - act 10 - feel 68	lennitrapper - next time, ya just need to leave the castors whole (thin red membrane removed) ... wet or dry and grind adding a minimal amount of glycerine to ease the grinding process and add body to the castor _________________________ You know why? 'Cause I'm a professional $;\)$
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#594196 - 02/22/08 10:50 PM Re: to much glycerine in castor [Re: possum skinner]
lennitrapper lennitrapper trapper Registered: 01/14/07 Posts: 1171 Loc: south east pa	ok thanks guys,will do if i happen to find any beaver this year (not moany around where i am) ill try it,but ill end up orderin back breaker most likly and save that stuff for fox next yea _________________________ "Volunteer firefighters,unpaid professionals"
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#594234 - 02/22/08 11:36 PM Re: to much glycerine in castor [Re: lennitrapper]
The Beav The Beav trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 779 Loc: Wisconsin	I can't see why you would dry the castor then grind It. Just open the sacs like you did scrape out the contents and place In a bottle and add glycerine to make a paste. If It comes out of the beaver like that then It's good enough for me. Been using It like that for 20 years or better and It works.
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#594327 - 02/23/08 06:52 AM Re: to much glycerine in castor [Re: The Beav]
LM Shortcut LM Shortcut trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 392 Loc: MI	No worries, the longer it sets the better it will be. It will be good for next season. Give it a shake a couple times a week.
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#594338 - 02/23/08 07:14 AM Re: to much glycerine in castor [Re: LM Shortcut]
Bob Jameson Bob Jameson trapper Registered: 12/25/06 Posts: 1367 Loc: SW Pa	I with you Beav.No point in drying if you are going to process/grind into a formula or make it into a paste. _________________________ http://www.jamesonsultrablend.com
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#594368 - 02/23/08 07:56 AM Re: to much glycerine in castor [Re: Bob Jameson]
Paul Dobbins Paul Dobbins trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 2881 Loc: Golsboro, North Carolina	I do dry my castors, but after they are dried, some aren't ground at that time. They are then soaked in a solution for a couple months, then ground. The dried castors are better able to absorb the solution and it gives the castor a unique smell and a powerful boost. Those that are ground before soaking in the solution have something added once ground and the dried ground castor accepts this additive better than fresh ground green castor. _________________________
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#594451 - 02/23/08 09:25 AM Re: to much glycerine in castor [Re: Paul Dobbins]
Vinke Vinke trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 1767 Loc: Pacific Northwest WA	Bummer...............Two "Experts" doing it Two "differnt" way..............Now how do I know if I am doing it Right????? $\:\)$ (ps.......Nice new website Bob J..............BUT....You are OUT OF UNIFORM ! $\:\)$ ) _________________________ "We cannot solve problems using the same thinking that created them" http://www.wawildlife.com
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#594469 - 02/23/08 09:42 AM Re: to much glycerine in castor [Re: Vinke]
Paul Dobbins Paul Dobbins trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 2881 Loc: Golsboro, North Carolina	Vinke, it doesn't matter which way ya do it. I think it would be quite a challenging task to screw up good clean castor. Like that fella said in Open Range.... "Good is Good". The only thing I've found that one needs to pay attention to is prohibiting mold growth on room temperature stored castor. A splash of 100 proof vodka will take care of that. _________________________
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#594482 - 02/23/08 09:59 AM Re: to much glycerine in castor [Re: Paul Dobbins]
The Beav The Beav trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 779 Loc: Wisconsin	So lets say I took fresh castors and scraped out all the contents then I left the contents dry out. Would I end up with the same product If I would have left the contents dry out In the sac? I just find it a real bear to grind up the dry stuff when It's dried In the sac.
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#594497 - 02/23/08 10:12 AM Re: to much glycerine in castor [Re: The Beav]
Paul Dobbins Paul Dobbins trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 2881 Loc: Golsboro, North Carolina	If you took the contents out and let it dry, I believe you would end up with beaver castor gravel. The stuff dries into some hard stuff. Heck Beav, you're having great luck using it freshly scraped from the sac... keep doing it that way. When its working for ya, there's no sense in changing. The dried castor in the sac is a bear to grind with a hand grinder. I don't let mine dry all the way. I like mine to be dry on the outside and yet when squeezed, they are still pliable on the inside... kinda like a stiff putty. The shells will be hard, but with my electric grinder, it doesn't matter. _________________________
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#594514 - 02/23/08 10:18 AM Re: to much glycerine in castor [Re: Paul Dobbins]
Vinke Vinke trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 1767 Loc: Pacific Northwest WA	Quote: good CLEAN! castor The Most important ingredient................ Do you think a a Beaver lure can be Formulated That makes the Beavers TOO AGGRESSIVE????? ....or is it The individual Beavers personality?????????........... ......The last batch I experimented with they Went NUTS! _________________________ "We cannot solve problems using the same thinking that created them" http://www.wawildlife.com
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#594632 - 02/23/08 11:44 AM Re: to much glycerine in castor [Re: Vinke]
Bob Jameson Bob Jameson trapper Registered: 12/25/06 Posts: 1367 Loc: SW Pa	I prepare castor for formulation different ways. My reply was for the avg fella to grind and make something up.If just doing what he was doing or private use that is what I would suggest.There are few ways of doing things to get something the way you want it to be. Dried castor will in fact absorb other elements more readily when dehydrated. Not just referring to a soluble element such as glycerine, glycol or ? Yep I agree Paul. I like castor some what dry to the touch but also firm when you squeeze them but yet still a bit soft.Dry castor nugget acorns can pop and shoot across the floor when you are grinding hard castor if you dont have a shield on your grinder head. Ask a buddy of mine he has been pinged more then a few times standing 15 ft away in front of the action.LOL I believe it depends on some variables as to their aggressive behaviorial responses to different scent. Time of year, age, population of the area,personal experiences, and just how their day has gone. Also some ingredients most certainly can influence their reactions. _________________________ http://www.jamesonsultrablend.com
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#594637 - 02/23/08 11:52 AM Re: to much glycerine in castor [Re: Bob Jameson]
Bob Jameson Bob Jameson trapper Registered: 12/25/06 Posts: 1367 Loc: SW Pa	Prior to grinding pod castor I have always found it is best to marinate them a bit to facilitate smooth grinding and feeding through the plate.Dry castor kernels are real tough on grinders and blades over time.Like grinding small stones if too dry. _________________________ http://www.jamesonsultrablend.com
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#595110 - 02/23/08 07:26 PM Re: to much glycerine in castor [Re: Bob Jameson]
Calvin Calvin trapper Registered: 09/12/07 Posts: 958 Loc: Farminton, Minnesota	Whats best to marinate an overly dry castor in? Vodka initially, then glycerine once ground? _________________________ Any day above ground is a good day.
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#595128 - 02/23/08 07:33 PM Re: to much glycerine in castor [Re: Calvin]
KYBOY KYBOY trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 3379 Loc: East, Kentucky	I like to dry mine for a few days. Just until the outside of the sac is a bit leathery and dry but the inside is still "mushy"..I then freeze mine. Ill let it thaw about halfway out then grind it. Seems to me like when trying to grind green castor the skin fibers plug up the plates in the grinder too bad. Edited by KYBOY (02/23/08 07:38 PM) _________________________ Take life by the throat, then choke it until it spits up what you want!
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#595134 - 02/23/08 07:35 PM Re: to much glycerine in castor [Re: Calvin]
Dave Plueger Dave Plueger trapper Registered: 01/10/07 Posts: 678 Loc: Iowa (where the tall corn grow...	I dont have as much experience as Paul or Bob but I have had success using propylene glycol as a marinade. You may not have added too much glycerin. Its surprising how castor will absorb glycerine over time.
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#595298 - 02/23/08 08:52 PM Re: to much glycerine in castor [Re: Dave Plueger]
possum skinner possum skinner trapper Registered: 12/25/06 Posts: 2395 Loc: Virginia 38 - act 10 - feel 68	i've ground my fair share of dry and wet/green castor ... is it just me or doesn't castor have a wide variation of ordors with each varying level of dryness? ... it does to me! $\:\)$ some of the best beaver lure i ever whipped up was from super extremely dried & aged castors ground to a fine powder then semi rehydrated & formulated into a usable consistency ... it was by far much more potent than any green/semi dry castor i have dealt with ... i named that lure "headache" ... it would give ya a castor buzz for sure $;\)$ so, once again who else if anybody has noticed the varying odors ??? _________________________ You know why? 'Cause I'm a professional $;\)$
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#595353 - 02/23/08 09:16 PM Re: to much glycerine in castor [Re: possum skinner]
Bob Jameson Bob Jameson trapper Registered: 12/25/06 Posts: 1367 Loc: SW Pa	Possum you by chance didnt put that in a pipe and take a puff did you? LOL I have known a few over the years that have.I hear from old indian folk lore that castor is to have a hallucinatory effect.Known by some to be called "Castor BUZZ". _________________________ http://www.jamesonsultrablend.com
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#595424 - 02/23/08 10:07 PM Re: to much glycerine in castor [Re: Bob Jameson]
Dave Plueger Dave Plueger trapper Registered: 01/10/07 Posts: 678 Loc: Iowa (where the tall corn grow...	Possum, That is interesting. My tests with dry versus green have been the other way around. I have had better results with beaver using green castor in formulation. Makes sense to me since beaver mark their territory with fresh castor, not dried. I have on the other hand found dry castor to be much more effective in canine and cat formulas than green. I took lure formulating instructions from Gary Jepson (creator and former owner of Fur Country Lures) several years ago and he stated having the same results.
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#595425 - 02/23/08 10:08 PM Re: to much glycerine in castor [Re: Bob Jameson]
RayA RayA trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 1138 Loc: Buckner Mo.	always wondered what them ole indians had in that Pipe. Ive noticed the same thing Skinner always diff every clanl Always wondered if the quality a water they were in had any effect on there castor smell. _________________________ Polititians are alot like dirty diapers and need to be changed for the same reason I dont suffer from Insanity i enjoy every minute of it.
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#595434 - 02/23/08 10:14 PM Re: to much glycerine in castor [Re: RayA]
Dave Plueger Dave Plueger trapper Registered: 01/10/07 Posts: 678 Loc: Iowa (where the tall corn grow...	Biologists say that castor odor is directly related to diet and time of year. In the north beaver feed on their food cache most of the winter and more green vegitation in summer thus the varying odors from season to season. Around here beaver feeding on corn in the fall will have a different castor odor than beaver feeding on primarily tree cambium.
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#595437 - 02/23/08 10:17 PM Re: to much glycerine in castor [Re: Dave Plueger]
lennitrapper lennitrapper trapper Registered: 01/14/07 Posts: 1171 Loc: south east pa	wow this has turned into a very informative post! archive material maby? _________________________ "Volunteer firefighters,unpaid professionals"
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#595747 - 02/24/08 08:32 AM Re: to much glycerine in castor [Re: lennitrapper]
Bob Jameson Bob Jameson trapper Registered: 12/25/06 Posts: 1367 Loc: SW Pa	Most things change odor when dried,rehydrated and in this case diet as I stated before influences odor as does time of year when harvested.Each beaver has his own scent therefore knows when another has marked his area. It may all smell like plain old castor but the difference in there and they know it. I have seen castor mounds 3 ft tall in Arkansas from repeated applications from different beaver over a period of time. Granted these were found along a river that has a constant flow of beaver and a good population base. _________________________ http://www.jamesonsultrablend.com
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#608784 - 03/02/08 10:11 AM Re: to much glycerine in castor [Re: Bob Jameson]
lennitrapper lennitrapper trapper Registered: 01/14/07 Posts: 1171 Loc: south east pa	used that lure to catch a 35 pounder on thrusday,put a glob of castor on the mound and dripped some of the castor-soaked glycerin down the bank into the water,next day bang there it is at the end of teh drowner $\:\)$ _________________________ "Volunteer firefighters,unpaid professionals"
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