#520461 - 01/15/08 03:50 PM
Re: Human Scent
[Re: Geezerman]
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Asa Lenon
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 2476
Loc: Gulliver, Michigan
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Lets put it this way, one can not go wrong by having overly cleaned equipment and practicing a higher degree of personal clean standards, never in history has this spooked even one wary or educated canine. Perhaps harvest numbers might suffer if one is too lax about equipment care and personal scent control standards. The degree of clean standards deemed reasonable may vary from region to region depending upon a group of variables; how accustomed canine in the region are to human scents and foreign odors such as rusty or speed dipped traps might emit, how humid or arid the country is as odors linger longer in humid areas, how educated canine have become through trapping and hunting pressure in the region, the populations of canine vs the food supply, less food and more critters equals more tendancy to risk their hides for a meal, etc, etc, etc. Adhering to all reasonable details always pays off in my opinion, racking up a maximum harvest one by one by one per traps set and time expended. My philosophy to my past students over the years has always been "think about things one might add to one's proceedure that will result in maximum eficiency, not thinking about what details might be omitted from one's proceedure and still skate by". Good luck! Ace
Edited by Asa Lenon (01/15/08 04:22 PM)
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#521756 - 01/16/08 09:54 AM
Re: Human Scent
[Re: Calvin]
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CharlesKS
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 7035
Loc: Kansas,31,6-1,220,B/B NS
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i took three coyotes this morning in gaudy cat sets, traps set with no gloves (they were set on sunday afternoon, it was very warm here) kneeld at the set, wore my work boots, and had a chew in and spit all around the set.
it had nothing to do with scent, scent free, luck, stupid kansas coyotes, but had everyhting to do with me being on top of a major travel way between a river and a pasture on one place, and along side a crp field on another. basicvally, i found the best location, and was on top of the coyotes.
you will never convince me coyotes dont know im there, and that if they do smell me, they either dot care, or wait untill the lingering odors die off abit if they are spooky.
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#521787 - 01/16/08 10:23 AM
Re: Human Scent
[Re: CharlesKS]
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Billfrank
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Registered: 12/22/06
Posts: 1185
Loc: TEXAS
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i took three coyotes this morning in gaudy cat sets, traps set with no gloves (they were set on sunday afternoon, it was very warm here) kneeld at the set, wore my work boots, and had a chew in and spit all around the set.
it had nothing to do with scent, scent free, luck, stupid kansas coyotes, but had everyhting to do with me being on top of a major travel way between a river and a pasture on one place, and along side a crp field on another. basicvally, i found the best location, and was on top of the coyotes.
you will never convince me coyotes dont know im there, and that if they do smell me, they either dot care, or wait untill the lingering odors die off abit if they are spooky.
Thank You Kansas Charlie!
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#521979 - 01/16/08 12:58 PM
Re: Human Scent
[Re: Asa Lenon]
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CharlesKS
trapper
Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 7035
Loc: Kansas,31,6-1,220,B/B NS
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3 weeks is a reasonable amount of time for excesive human scent to dissapate. he didnt say if it was ONE coyote, or AMNY coyotes that came by.
perhaps theyd just ate, arent interested, who knows. perhaps he was trailing another coyote, as its breeding season. any number of reasons
surely every set avoindance cant be pinned to improper scent control.
ANYBODY that traps much will tell you they notice coyotes that walk right on by your set and not work it.
IF THE COYOTE detected human odor, or something astray, i dont think theyd totally IGNORE the set. they would eitehr investigate the set, but not get right on the pattern, or would abdruptly change thier line of travel.
from my limited calling experiance, i have seen coyotes pick up my wind, and stop, and immediatly change thier line of travel. usally at a high rate of speed.
i ahve seen coyotes come to as et, stop, pace, and walk on.
so for one to just walk by makes me think he was pre-occupied.
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#522025 - 01/16/08 01:44 PM
Re: Human Scent
[Re: MNcooner]
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Freepop
trapper
Registered: 05/09/07
Posts: 687
Loc: South Central Michigan
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By the looks of it, one maybe two coyotes and at least two red fox.
I try eye appeal at one set and flat or scent post near by. I'm in southern MI, there's a good amount of human traffic and urban sprawl. Lure's are Gusto, Lennon's Nature call, Fox urine, GL40, Windwalker (June's), and a muskrat carcase.
Is that too much for one set?
Charles, I have one hay set and a flat, a dirt hole and a flat, a blind and dirt hole and flat, at 3 different locations (miles apart).
Edited by Freepop (01/16/08 01:46 PM) Edit Reason: answered Charles
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#522036 - 01/16/08 01:52 PM
Re: Human Scent
[Re: Freepop]
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CharlesKS
trapper
Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 7035
Loc: Kansas,31,6-1,220,B/B NS
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Scent post sets are the most in-consitant set ive ever made.
unlike a dirthole, or even a flat set (which a flat set really isnt much different than a scent post set if you think about it), anyway, scent post sets dont get "worked" liek a dirthoole.
the whole point, IMO of a dirthole, is to make it difficult for the coyote to get to the attractor (bait, lure) OR, to keep his curiosirty peaked untill he gets caught, WHICH, and heres the lesson, KEEPS THERE FEET MOVING.
Think how a scent post set gets worked. one step, a sniff of the gland lure, and if he chosses to urinate, you might get one more foot near the trap.
At dirtholes, and to some extent a flat set with food attractors, you get the coyote WANTING to eat the attractor. he thinks its food, but cant see it, so what does he do? MOVES HIS FEET looking for it. Is there a grass plug or wad of sheeps wool in the hole? now he thijnks THATS the food, and 9 times out of 10 will probably try to dig it up out of the whole, all the time moving his feet around the pan.
Ill tell you this, i know how to make scent posts, and yes, people certainly catch coyotes with them. I dont. ive made them over and over, and they never connect. all the same time the dirtholes over there are nailing the coyotes.
As for backing, since i brought it up, i PREFER to NOT import a backing. yes, a strange rock may peak ones interest as something different, buy, IF I CAN, ill use a backing thats allread in place, a tuft of grass, a wed line on a field edge, but if its a hot location on smooth flat ground, ill bring in a backing. but ive noticed, if i can use a permanent backing, i get catches quicker.
this is all, just MY OPINION, from my experiances
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#522118 - 01/16/08 02:31 PM
Re: Human Scent
[Re: Asa Lenon]
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CharlesKS
trapper
Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 7035
Loc: Kansas,31,6-1,220,B/B NS
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don't try to second guess
EXACTLY Asa. I agree 100%.
get to the spot, make the set, and move on. standing there looking it over, only makes you question your set, and piddle daddle. make the set, move on.
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#522135 - 01/16/08 02:39 PM
Re: Human Scent
[Re: Asa Lenon]
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LT GREY
trapper
Registered: 04/09/07
Posts: 5554
Loc: Central Ohio
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"Thank You Kansas Charlie": Billfrank Hahahahahahahahahahahaha.........(and to think, I was the only one to call him that)! 
Hey Charlie, I'm going to do Andy S. one better. I'm going to take a trap right out of the box and set it bare handed and bare footed and catch a coyote......and if it isn't too cold, maybe I'll do it naked! Now...who wants to film it?  Hahahahahaha Hey Andy.......?
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#522146 - 01/16/08 02:45 PM
Re: Human Scent
[Re: LT GREY]
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Andy S
trapper
Registered: 12/22/06
Posts: 5931
Loc: IN
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Hey Charlie, I'm going to do Andy S. one better. I'm going to take a trap right out of the box and set it bare handed and bare footed and catch a coyote......and if it isn't too cold, maybe I'll do it naked! Now...who wants to film it?  Hahahahahaha Hey Andy.......?
Yea I'll be over........ you said you're what 3-4 hours away??? Name the day.
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