#505082 - 01/07/08 08:51 AM
Easiest frozen ground/snow canine set(pics)
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Blak coyote
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Registered: 12/25/06
Posts: 1613
Loc: N.e.WI.
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Asked myself today why I kill myself trying to put in trap beds in the frozen ground? I came to the conclusion because it kills time until I can use these.LOL
It's whats left of my cable restraint from the first coyote of the cable restraint season that started the 1st. of Jan.
It's a WHOLE!!!! lot easier putting in 10 of these than putting in 1 foothold this time of year.I've had 10 CR's out for 2 days guarding trails that lead to a bait station.Weathers been warm and foggy with some rain,suppose to get rain snow mix tonight changing over to snow,hopefully we get enough snow to put them back on the trails.I've noticed with the melting snow the coyotes are wandering around more and not sticking to definite trails.I'll be getting more of these babies out,sure beats breaking a sweat busting frozen ground.One thing that has me a little nervous and can see it coming, is chew outs.We have a non-entanglement law.The cable is 3/32 7x7 and this is a close up of the chewing.
May go to 1/8" next year after seeing how the 3/32 goes,I've got about 8 dozen to burn up and will see what I think after going through them this winter.Haven't been able to do any cables until this year due to other things but looking forward to the rest of the season.Just by watching this coyote,I realized they really test that cable as well,not just footholds.
Here's the 29# female that was in it this morning,I don't have any pics from the catch area,I figured if I left the camera at home I'd have something.Of course that thought came after I realized I forgot my camera when I was 1/2 way to where I was going.lol
Hope you enjoy.
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#505104 - 01/07/08 09:15 AM
Re: Easiest frozen ground/snow canine set(pics)
[Re: Blak coyote]
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bctrapper
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Registered: 12/26/06
Posts: 335
Loc: Prince George, BC Canada
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Are you not allowed to put a locking device on your cables? I don't understand how they are chewing out. I use 1/16 th cable with stinger spring and a cam lock for coyotes and it works great.
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#505106 - 01/07/08 09:16 AM
Re: Easiest frozen ground/snow canine set(pics)
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archeryplus
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 145
Loc: East coast Wisconsin
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Great catch, I've got a few to hang also. 1st time also let us know how they work out for you.
RR
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#505112 - 01/07/08 09:25 AM
Re: Easiest frozen ground/snow canine set(pics)
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BUZZSAW
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Registered: 01/06/07
Posts: 334
Loc: WI , north central
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WISC. uses what we call cable restraints ,NOT snares{this is on land} . has to be a relaxing lock and NO entanglement. kind of sucks , but it does work and with the amount of hound hunters and dogs in general it is working pretty good.
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#505217 - 01/07/08 11:00 AM
Re: Easiest frozen ground/snow canine set(pics)
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BCompton
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Registered: 12/25/06
Posts: 328
Loc: NE Kansas, At. county.
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I'll buy a dozen of them snares off ya if you don't want them :p
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#505225 - 01/07/08 11:04 AM
Re: Easiest frozen ground/snow canine set(pics)
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BCompton
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Registered: 12/25/06
Posts: 328
Loc: NE Kansas, At. county.
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btw, I've seen coons do the same thing to 3/32 snares. They get to rolling and biting. I've never salvaged a snare after a coon catch. But I've never had a 3/32 break either.
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#505442 - 01/07/08 01:55 PM
Re: Easiest frozen ground/snow canine set(pics)
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beaverbob56
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Registered: 12/22/06
Posts: 407
Loc: NW Missouri
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Last year cabled 4 coyotes, 1 bobcat and 2 coons. Would have been 5 coyotes but one left me this.
So far this year haven't connected with anything with the restraints.
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#505456 - 01/07/08 02:03 PM
Re: Easiest frozen ground/snow canine set(pics)
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BCompton
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Registered: 12/25/06
Posts: 328
Loc: NE Kansas, At. county.
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Yeah I've had some all BUT broken, but been lucky and never had one break. We can use killer type snares in Kansas I believe, but with so many dogs running around here, I just can't bring myself to using any.
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#505784 - 01/07/08 05:46 PM
Re: Easiest frozen ground/snow canine set(pics)
[Re: BCompton]
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welcome
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Registered: 12/17/07
Posts: 1369
Loc: mayville, tuscola county, mich...
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waht happened to those cabbles
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#505812 - 01/07/08 05:57 PM
Re: Easiest frozen ground/snow canine set(pics)
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welcome
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Registered: 12/17/07
Posts: 1369
Loc: mayville, tuscola county, mich...
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o ok i dont snare and i dident now thanks beaver lol
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#505850 - 01/07/08 06:08 PM
Re: Easiest frozen ground/snow canine set(pics)
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baker
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 1310
Loc: south central,Nebraska
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i had a coyote in a CR(can use snares, but dogs around) and it was staked with a pogo and we had some melting snow and i was staked in a sandy silty pit bottom that was dry, and i walked up on this muddy mess of mud/sand/coyote and right as i get up with the pistol, he pulled the pogo right out of the ground and went a flying accross the pit and i jumped up top and hit him from about 80yards with the .223 on a dead sprint...lucky...had a younger kid on the line with me that day and he goes..WOW! trapping is FUUNNN lol. never had a pogo pulled other than that time, and i only had the 1 1/2in washers on me, so when i put it in the frozen ground i figured it'd be ok, but when it started to thaw and melt and get nasty it didnt hold for the whole process..good thing i carry a backup rifle
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#506441 - 01/07/08 09:10 PM
Re: Easiest frozen ground/snow canine set(pics)
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Blak coyote
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Registered: 12/25/06
Posts: 1613
Loc: N.e.WI.
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baker,I shot this one about 25yds away from it.I seen it was chewing and jumping and decided to put her down before she got anymore adrenilin going.That just may be my SOP's from here on out.I've had beaver do the same to cable but never lost one and don't intend to lose a coyote.
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#506489 - 01/07/08 09:21 PM
Re: Easiest frozen ground/snow canine set(pics)
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Blak coyote
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Registered: 12/25/06
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Loc: N.e.WI.
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#506506 - 01/07/08 09:26 PM
Re: Easiest frozen ground/snow canine set(pics)
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spataro
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Registered: 04/04/07
Posts: 178
Loc: acme, PA
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I have lost a few right in front of me with CRs,now I shoot as soon as I can see it
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#506646 - 01/07/08 10:02 PM
Re: Easiest frozen ground/snow canine set(pics)
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Clark
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Registered: 12/22/06
Posts: 424
Loc: Vancouver, WA
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Blak - Have you considered or tried 1x19 cable? The thicker strands in the cable make them less susceptible to being chewed through, just less of them to chew through...but from what I have heard the 1x19 is better in situations where you are likely to get lots of chewing.
Clark
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#506671 - 01/07/08 10:10 PM
Re: Easiest frozen ground/snow canine set(pics)
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Blak coyote
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Registered: 12/25/06
Posts: 1613
Loc: N.e.WI.
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When I got the cable a few years back we couldn't use 1x19 for CR's or it wasn't clear or something to that effect,but now thats changed.I like 1x19 for beaver.
So down the road I plan on using 1x19 to see how it goes.
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#506760 - 01/07/08 10:28 PM
Re: Easiest frozen ground/snow canine set(pics)
[Re: Blak coyote]
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welcome
trapper
Registered: 12/17/07
Posts: 1369
Loc: mayville, tuscola county, mich...
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got some powre full teeth and jaws to be chewing through cable
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#506994 - 01/08/08 05:27 AM
Re: Easiest frozen ground/snow canine set(pics)
[Re: Blak coyote]
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MChewk
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 951
Loc: Northern Illinois
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My limited experience ...and I do mean limited... with 3/32 1x19 cable a little slower and tougher to load...when compared with the 5/64th 1x19 or even the 3/32 7x7. Snare guys help me out here...
By the way Duane...nice trap mod. article in Trapper's World mag.
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#507013 - 01/08/08 06:19 AM
Re: Easiest frozen ground/snow canine set(pics)
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TexA
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Registered: 12/24/06
Posts: 2079
Loc: Estherville, IA
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MChewk... I don't use any 5/64ths cable.
You're RIGHT ON about the 1 x 19 vs 7 x 7 wound cable, it is a little slower especially when the loop is just about closed, it has a tendency to spring back open. I do not "load" any snares.
Therefore, only use the 1 x 19 wound cable in situations where the critter is jumping through a hole in the fence, or where he is swimming or running up or down a ditch bank and cannot stop quickly.
The 1 x 19 is prefered by more Beaver (water sets) trappers because the loop stays open a little better than does the 7x7-wound cable. The 1 x 19 isn't bothered quite so much by the blowing wind as is the 7 x 7-wound stuff either.
So, be careful where you use either type. They both do work but you must be aware of their limitations too...
In the many years I've used snares, I have had three Coyotes chew-off 3/32" cable and one coon that did it. That's not good but it really isn't bad either considering all the ones that have been caught in them.
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Blak coyote.... You said it! "I've noticed with the melting snow the coyotes are wandering around more and not sticking to definite trails."
When the snows come, they tend to wander and not follow the regular paths quite so much. Especially in the more open areas. If the snow stays soft, they will follow deer trails quite a bit, but when the snow gets hard enough for them to walk on, they wander all over the place.
If I can find where they are going through a brushy or weedy area, that's where I'll set up the snares. Chances of catching them there is much better..
I had one coyote that chewed through 3/32 7x7 cable in a very short time period this winter. He barely left a circle (in weeds) in the area. Never Say Never in this game! 
The Deer Stops are good in some ways and bad in other ways. They release the deer when foot caught. They are bad in that they stop the loop from closing tight enough when placed around a Coyotes neck though. An entanglement of some sort can help to eleminate that problem, but some places entanglement is not legal either. Guess we have to live with what we've got in that situation and hope for the best..... (We must use Deer Stops in IOWA also)
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#507018 - 01/08/08 06:26 AM
Re: Easiest frozen ground/snow canine set(pics)
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Newt
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Registered: 12/26/06
Posts: 1179
Loc: Port Republic NJ/ ChocowinityN...
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MChewk, Whats the Question ?
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#507032 - 01/08/08 06:50 AM
Re: Easiest frozen ground/snow canine set(pics)
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MChewk
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 951
Loc: Northern Illinois
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Newt, can 3/32 1x19 cable be loaded to work as effectively/consistently as 3/32 7x7? I know your stance on the C.R.s vs snares...just wondering what you think about the 3/32 1x19?
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#507039 - 01/08/08 07:07 AM
Re: Easiest frozen ground/snow canine set(pics)
[Re: MChewk]
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RdFx
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 1053
Loc: Wisconsin
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Yeppers Newt, please give us info can the 1/19 be loaded as effectively. Thanks
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#507145 - 01/08/08 09:11 AM
Re: Easiest frozen ground/snow canine set(pics)
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Blak coyote
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Registered: 12/25/06
Posts: 1613
Loc: N.e.WI.
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Thanks Mike.
TexA thanks for the insight.
Newt I'm with Mike and Rdfx on the 1x19 as well.I like the 1x19 1/16 for beaver here,thats why I'm wondering how 1x19 3/32 would work for coyotes,but maybe it's not a good choice for CR's vs. snares.We're allowed to use 3/32 up to 1/8 size cable.
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#507854 - 01/08/08 06:22 PM
Re: Easiest frozen ground/snow canine set(pics)
[Re: Blak coyote]
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MChewk
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 951
Loc: Northern Illinois
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#508524 - 01/08/08 09:25 PM
Re: Easiest frozen ground/snow canine set(pics)
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JitterBug
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 380
Loc: St.Paris Ohio
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Never had one chewed. I do believe the that rolling will bust cable but not chewing? You cant even cut cable with cheap cutters. Then theres where people say swivels help, I have them on the loop end. that seems to be a waste of time and materials to me. Where I snare the yote will wrap on somthing, there for swivel on the tie end of snare is usless.. Also depends how often you check snares,,,
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#508865 - 01/09/08 05:22 AM
Re: Easiest frozen ground/snow canine set(pics)
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MChewk
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 951
Loc: Northern Illinois
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1/8th inch 7x7 is tough...a bit bolder to hide especially in snow conditions...Jitterbug I don't think rolling will cause as mich damage as chewing. Look closely at the pic.s above. As far as swivels on a snare...I recommend one near the loop and another as mandated by law at the end...even though we know the one at the end is quickly put out of commission. The jury is still out on swivels on snares...I tried several different configurations of swivels and the salt water type barrel swivels when snaring out of state...most showed little or no use. Even using multiple swivels placed in different places on cable still showed cable twist up. I believe snares are meant for entanglement..or as a quick killing tool..but since we have "no snares on land" here in Illinois C.R.s might be our next best option??? Newt, Robert, Rally and others chime in here...1x19 3/32 cable
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#510495 - 01/09/08 09:18 PM
Re: Easiest frozen ground/snow canine set(pics)
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RdFx
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 1053
Loc: Wisconsin
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#510854 - 01/10/08 02:45 AM
Re: Easiest frozen ground/snow canine set(pics)
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MChewk
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 951
Loc: Northern Illinois
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#510869 - 01/10/08 03:52 AM
Re: Easiest frozen ground/snow canine set(pics)
[Re: MChewk]
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John Graham
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Registered: 04/19/07
Posts: 329
Loc: Jordan, Montana
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In my opinion, 3/32" 1/19 would be a terrible choice for coyotes. We make 2 snares with that cable, and they are intended for wolves and wolverine. I really don't even care for the 5/64" in 1x19 for coyotes, but that is a whole other topic.
Coyotes are chewers by nature, especially when picketed down in CR's. From what I have seen from using 1x19 versus 7x7 of comparable sizes, is that the 1x19 does SEEM a bit tougher, or chew resistant, at least until the coyote rolls or twists the cable, which seperates the 1x19 twist, and then it might even allow chewing FASTER then. Theres no perfect place to put a swivel on a cable restraint or snare for that matter. So, you will always have some chewing of cable. I still play around with leg snaring coyotes, so I have tried a variety of things. The simple fact is, CR's are going to allow for a high percentage of chewing. I can't comment about the use of 1/8" cable, other than the fact that we don't have the brush or cover here to allow its use, not to mention it would be a very slow moving loop for coyotes, and would probably have a high percentage of body catches, and hind leg catches. Neither of which are good. JUST MY 2 CENTS, John
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#510956 - 01/10/08 07:08 AM
Re: Easiest frozen ground/snow canine set(pics)
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TexA
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Registered: 12/24/06
Posts: 2079
Loc: Estherville, IA
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No two situations, conditions and set-sites are exactly the same, usually..... I don't think there is such a thing as "The Perfect Set", ever.....
To the best of my knowledge, Snares or Cable Restraints are the SAME THING, no matter what they want to call them.
Their origional design is to be a Killing devise. Modifications to make them less of that just won't allow the "devise" to do it's primary job... Problems develope when too many brains get in the mix and requirements alter the origional intent of the devise. BUT, if we want to continue use them, we must use them in the way OTHERS think we should.
I LIKE SWIVELS! I make all my own using #9 Galvanized Wire. They are strong and very capable of doing their job. The plain black wire #9 is not quite as strong as is the galvanized. Try 'em and compare, I think you'll agree.
I add extra swivels to all of my trapping devices and think they are well worth the time and effort to do so. Even if they don't actually get to work in the manner they were designed to work, they still make an excellent way to anchor the end of my snare to what ever I'm going to use.
Swivels do cut-down on the cable twisting, until ENTANGLEMENT comes into the picture. Snares with a swivel in the middle-of-the-run and another on the anchor-end have proven to me that they ARE worth while additions to the unit. They are no different than the extra swivel or two that most of us like to put into our Coyote traps' chain. They keep the chain/cable from twisting/kinking/unwinding. That is IF they are set in a Non-Entanglement situation. If they are set where they can get tangled-up in something, the purpose of the swivel(s) is defeated.
Someone said he had never had a Coyote chew on a snare.....WHAT?
I'd say he has never did very much Coyote snaring, if that's the case. There is hardly a coyote I've ever caught that didn't do at least some chewing on the cable, especially if he was caught in a non-entanglement situation. If they cannot break it, they will chew on it. If you don't think they can chew through a 3/32" cable, I'm Sorry, but you're WRONG! They can and will if given the time to do it. Tangling them in something is about the only way to keep them from chewing. I've even seen where they will chew on a piece of barbed-wire, trying to get loose. What ever is there, they will chew on it.....
I talked with Neil Bock about the differences in the 1 x 19 and 7 x 7 wound cables and what he had experienced or been told about both of them.
The 1 x 19 is a little stiffer, will hold a loop a little better either in water or wind. But it also closes a little slower than the 7 x 7 cable. Beaver trappers, especially the water beaver trappers, seem to prefer the 1 x19 cable over the 7 x 7. When set on a dry post in a waterway, the 1 x 19 cable will support itself much better than will the 7 x7 cable. If you can set the 1 x 19 in a situatiion where the Coyote will be moving, like jumping through a fence or running up or down a slope, then the slower moving 1 x 19 will work just fine. If not, then the 7 x 7 is a better choice. "Loaded" or not...
I think either cable is capable of being "un-wound" by the action of a Coyote rolling on the around IF the cable is not swiveled and it is tangled up in something.
The different sizes of cable is a personal choice as far as I'm concerned. I have never used anything smaller than 3/32" for Coyotes, as well as Beaver and Fox. I just like the 3/32" size and the way it's worked for me. I have never, and probably won't ever, use 1/8th" cable for Coyotes. Leave that to the guys who can snare Wolves etc in Canada or Alaska or ?????.
In many many years, I have had only one (1) Coon ever chew through the 3/32" cable. He tangled-up in a fence and started chewing. He was gone when I arrived there in the morning. Never since has that happened again...
Great topic,
Lots of good responses,
Now you decide what will "work" on your line......
Think about it
Good Luck
Trap Safely
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#510974 - 01/10/08 07:23 AM
Re: Easiest frozen ground/snow canine set(pics)
[Re: TexA]
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Blak coyote
trapper
Registered: 12/25/06
Posts: 1613
Loc: N.e.WI.
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Thanks John and Tex,excellent insight and thanks for your input.
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#511114 - 01/10/08 09:21 AM
Re: Easiest frozen ground/snow canine set(pics)
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MChewk
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 951
Loc: Northern Illinois
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Good responses John and Tex,,,,I still got plenty to learn.
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