#471849 - 12/19/07 07:39 PM
Re: canine worked from the side
[Re: k. miller]
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Mr. Kennedy
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Registered: 12/26/06
Posts: 162
Loc: Central Arkansas
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Offset the trap to one side or add a blended trap to one side of the original trap. Two traps usually get diggers for me.
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#471903 - 12/19/07 07:57 PM
Re: canine worked from the side
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possum5676
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Registered: 01/02/07
Posts: 936
Loc: kansas
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no.1 reason yotes work from the side is you let them, set into a vertical bank, leave the trap deep, at least 2 inches below ground level and thats the end of it pretty much.
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#472776 - 12/20/07 09:43 AM
Re: canine worked from the side
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Calvin
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Registered: 09/12/07
Posts: 958
Loc: Farminton, Minnesota
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I speed dipped my traps this year and they did the same thing. They could smell the trap and just worked around it. I think if they are working that hole, your lure is fine.
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#472882 - 12/20/07 11:11 AM
Re: canine worked from the side
[Re: k. miller]
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Cameron2
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Registered: 01/01/07
Posts: 907
Loc: Nevada
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I've posted this on here before, but here it goes again. Watch the coyote work the set and let him teach you.
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#472928 - 12/20/07 11:51 AM
Re: canine worked from the side
[Re: k. miller]
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Cameron2
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Registered: 01/01/07
Posts: 907
Loc: Nevada
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I've seen it over and over and over. After watching a couple dozen of these type of clips, I'm amazed I ever catch anything. 
And this was a mock set with no trap, so you can take out of the equation things like rusty/dirty traps, etc. And this wasn't even a hole set, so you can't say this animal was shy of holes or of the bait, etc.
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#472957 - 12/20/07 12:15 PM
Re: canine worked from the side
[Re: Cameron2]
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Asa Lenon
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 2476
Loc: Gulliver, Michigan
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k. miller wrote...
calvin,
interesting........trap had been speed dipped, but i did it a long time ago... can't believe they can pick it up....
I had a trapper down in Louisana that raises blood hounds and did an experiment on traps dyed in speed dip and sent me the results. First he dipped the traps, let them air out for 2 months. Meantime he taught the hounds to sniff out petroleum products. Then he buried several of the traps throughout an area, letting them be for a few days and then turned loose the hounds. The blood hounds went directly to every trap without hesitation. Ace
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#472963 - 12/20/07 12:20 PM
Re: canine worked from the side
[Re: Asa Lenon]
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Calvin
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Registered: 09/12/07
Posts: 958
Loc: Farminton, Minnesota
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My traps were dipped WELL in advance of the season and hung 3 weeks in the sun before waxing them. A small amount of the dip apparently leached off into the wax also (as it turned the wax a haze of brown). I was wondering if it would make a huge difference but decided to go ahead with using the traps. I got my answer alright and will never let speed dip touch my canine traps again.
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#473275 - 12/20/07 04:20 PM
Re: canine worked from the side
[Re: k. miller]
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possum5676
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Registered: 01/02/07
Posts: 936
Loc: kansas
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look you guys, enough is enough, im all for this new video craze and i think its gonna be real interesting, but one or two coyotes working a set does not mean much, anymore than one set being worked from the side mean much, k miller, get your behind out there and catch those yotes, quit thinking about a set ot three being worked from the side, its NOTHING, kansas is full of coyotes and not all of them dig from the side speed dipped or not, for all you and i know the yotes are just acting funny until a storm comes thru, or the moon changes, or you scratch your behind before ya make the set, make a couple different blocked sets and move on to another place and forgit about it, if you want to use a different treatment on your traps next year by all means do so but for now just go TRAP, and quit thinking about one side dig lol,i dont care whether a person has caught one or one thousand coyotes sometimes he gets side digs, instead of thinking like a coyote think like a human and consider this, if it was so hard to catch coyotes and so many things had to be just so to catch every one then how pray tell does untold thousands get caught every year????
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#473717 - 12/20/07 08:17 PM
Re: canine worked from the side
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freeburgtrapper
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Registered: 12/25/06
Posts: 330
Loc: freeburg,illinois
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one thing i like to do is make sure the trap is positioned downwind of the dirthole. i like the yote to come at the set with the wind in his face and the hole ritew in front of him. i think this eliminates alot of problems. my sets get messed with when the wind changes on me. we had a big system from the north and everything was great, then it switched directly from the south. i have sets in ther sand that i can monitor the action around and the snow helped before it melted. when the wind switched the approachs did also. i think if a yote can make it to your set close enough to inspect and his footing didnt get messed with then thats where he's gonna work the set from. he's not going to square up perfectly and walk right into your trap every time. intercept him in his approach to the set with the wind in his face and the hole roght in front of him and you'll catch him.
just my 2 cents matt
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#474133 - 12/20/07 11:48 PM
Re: canine worked from the side
[Re: possum5676]
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Calvin
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Registered: 09/12/07
Posts: 958
Loc: Farminton, Minnesota
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[quote=possum5676] quit thinking about a set ot three being worked from the side, its NOTHING,
Yup, thats what you want to do...just pretend the clues they are giving you are meaningless and just slam some steal in the ground and get to your next location and haphazardly slop some more steal in the ground. This is exactly how you become a better trapper.
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#474373 - 12/21/07 07:56 AM
Re: canine worked from the side
[Re: k. miller]
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Asa Lenon
trapper
Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 2476
Loc: Gulliver, Michigan
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Calvin, ND trapper and k. miller all make good points. Anyone who has followed my line of thought over the years will have noted that the human scent issue isn't just a matter of whether a canine will accept or avoid a set BUT ALSO as I've said many times, excessive human or foreign scents alter how sets are approached and worked. Digging from the side is a perfect example of that difference. Believe me, no canine would work from the side for any reason I can think of other than detecting the odd odor of the trap or wary of stepping right where a human possibly kneeled to construct the set. I have sat in blinds for years observing the differences in how sets are accepted depending upon whether they are as clean as possioble or made without care or concern for human and foreign odors. Ace
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#474398 - 12/21/07 08:16 AM
Re: canine worked from the side
[Re: Asa Lenon]
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inline50
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Registered: 12/25/06
Posts: 1144
Loc: carroll county, IL.
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we just got back from checking our yote sets and the same thing happened to us . one was a dirt hole set with the hole being 10" to 12" deep and they still got the bait out from the side.the other was a step down 6" down with a hole in the bottom about 10" back and even that bait was gone .i have no idea how they could possibly get the bait without at least tripping that trap.
we wax/boiled traps use leather gloves to set and rubber gloves to bait. i don't know what else we could do for sent control.
i'm not a quitter but this yote trapping is really testing my nerves. GGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!
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#474408 - 12/21/07 08:25 AM
Re: canine worked from the side
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Wright Brothers
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 155
Loc: Pa
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Pulling a section yesterday in hilly wooded area I had grey tracks working the side of deep hole. Stood there scratching my head from tracked side facing East and it hit me. The wind hit me straight on. Thinking later, my last 3 of 4 catches in lured sets the attractor was to the East of the trap. It's hilly here, throw in thermal currents and wind direction can be hard to judge. Wether that was why or not, I convince myself it is and move on not dwelling on it. But always on my mind.
Fun huh.
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#474421 - 12/21/07 08:42 AM
Re: canine worked from the side
[Re: Wright Brothers]
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Asa Lenon
trapper
Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 2476
Loc: Gulliver, Michigan
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Incline wrote...i'm not a quitter but this yote trapping is really testing my nerves. GGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRR
I hear 'ya, LOL! As I always say, the secret to successful coyote trapping lies in learning by paying attention to all of the evidence left by avoiders at sets, a little snow always helps one see what is going on when coyotes approach one's set, whether it was a direct approach or a suspicious one. One keeps adjusting small details until eventually one has the avoidance/suspicion problems worked down to a near science. From then on its paying attention to those details, each and every detail adhered to adds up maximum harvesting one by one by one. Ace
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#474523 - 12/21/07 09:50 AM
Re: canine worked from the side
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inline50
trapper
Registered: 12/25/06
Posts: 1144
Loc: carroll county, IL.
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k.miller i hear you LOUD AND CLEAR!!!!
same around here. i don't know of many yote trappers around me.but i guess if they went through the same B.S. we have been they probably all gave up.
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#474535 - 12/21/07 09:58 AM
Re: canine worked from the side
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CharlesKS
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 7035
Loc: Kansas,31,6-1,220,B/B NS
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this year alone, out of nearly 50 coyotes trapped, i can honestly say ive seen evidence of only 2-3 that got workd from the side and not caught. this is leaving only 1 track in the pattern.
thats not enough evidence to get me to change my way of doing it, by moving the trap, etc.
the way i read the sighn, the coyotes took one step, peered in the hole, and just wasnt all that interested that day.
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#474548 - 12/21/07 10:08 AM
Re: canine worked from the side
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inline50
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Registered: 12/25/06
Posts: 1144
Loc: carroll county, IL.
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charles with track record i would NEVER change a thing. i would keep on truckin the way you are. IF IT AINT BROKE DON'T FIX IT!!!!
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#474694 - 12/21/07 11:46 AM
Re: canine worked from the side
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oakvalleykennels
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Registered: 11/17/07
Posts: 49
Loc: susquehanna, PA
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I believe that people complicate things way to much when trapping any canine. A great trapper that I just recently had a chance to talk with once said "Trapping and Trappers change but the FUNDAMENTALS never do.
Stick to the fundamentals and you can't go wrong.
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#475075 - 12/21/07 02:32 PM
Re: canine worked from the side
[Re: oakvalleykennels]
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inline50
trapper
Registered: 12/25/06
Posts: 1144
Loc: carroll county, IL.
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all this talk about yotes makes me want to set more traps .goin out now to put a couple traps to the side of the set that were worked over .LATER!!
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