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#444425 - 12/04/07 05:29 PM Big Hole Set
Jtrapper Jtrapper trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 7374 Loc: Alabama (Bama for short) 108 y...	Some in chat were asking me about this set the other night so here it is. Nothing but a dirthole basically, just dig a BIGGER hole. I heap the dirt up under me as im digging it out so I can make it into a walk thru type set when finished. Stepping sticks were for bobcat as that is what i normally use this set for, but at this one last year i couldn't keep the stupid fox out of it, lol. The white wadding you see is poly fil id stuffed down the hole after luring/baiting for eye appeal. Set was shot after this was taken, hard rain that night turned it into a muddy mess. My flat set on top of the hill in the background had to pick up the last fox here. _________________________ I ALMOST survived SmackDown Tupelo '08!
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#444431 - 12/04/07 05:31 PM Re: Big Hole Set [Re: Jtrapper]
Jtrapper Jtrapper trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 7374 Loc: Alabama (Bama for short) 108 y...	Also notice i stretched the chain out far enough so once the animal is caught he can't wrap around the tree! If staked right under trap like normal a animal could of wrapped up around the tree several times, more stress on the animal plus the risk of a pull out. Just thought id toss that in for the newcomers to this game. _________________________ I ALMOST survived SmackDown Tupelo '08!
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#444457 - 12/04/07 05:40 PM Re: Big Hole Set [Re: Jtrapper]
inline50 inline50 trapper Registered: 12/25/06 Posts: 1144 Loc: carroll county, IL.	nice pics. I wish we had the grays around here. I ave not seen a gray here in 14 or15 years. coyotes play [Please excuse my language... I'm an idiot] on them. Edited by inline50 (12/04/07 05:41 PM) _________________________ take a child hunting,fishing,or trapping today and you won't have to hunt the streets for them tomorrow!!!!!
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#444474 - 12/04/07 05:46 PM Re: Big Hole Set [Re: inline50]
ArnieTX ArnieTX trapper Registered: 11/19/07 Posts: 103 Loc: South Texas - 60 miles west of...	Thanks for the pics _________________________ ArnieTX 2007 Scoreboard Bobcat 1 Coyote 0 Red Fox 0 Grey Fox 1 Racoon 2 Grinner 0 Skunk 1 Ringtail 0 http://www.thedetectorfanatic.com
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#444479 - 12/04/07 05:49 PM Re: Big Hole Set [Re: ArnieTX]
UncleFester UncleFester trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 2244 Loc: Onslow county NC	Nice set, will have to try it out. Thanks for sharing that Jackie!!! _________________________ "I would rather be a nutjob conservative, than a liberal with no nuts and no job!!!"
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#444488 - 12/04/07 05:53 PM Re: Big Hole Set [Re: CodyCoyote12]
Jtrapper Jtrapper trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 7374 Loc: Alabama (Bama for short) 108 y...	Not anything new, lol. Got the big hole deal from Slim long time ago, Gerry Blair in the old Trapper magazine I think is where I picked up the walk thru deal from and cat tracks on sides is where i got the put a stick there and there from, lol. But as shown, that set is terrible if it's doing alot of raining! _________________________ I ALMOST survived SmackDown Tupelo '08!
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#444500 - 12/04/07 05:56 PM Re: Big Hole Set [Re: Jtrapper]
UncleFester UncleFester trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 2244 Loc: Onslow county NC	Originally Posted By: Jtrapper Not anything new, Got the big hole deal from Slim long time ago, Gerry Blair in the old Trapper magazine I think is where I picked up the walk thru deal from and cat tracks on sides is where i got the put a stick there and there from, lol. But as shown, that set is terrible if it's doing alot of raining! But you see I am not that old Jackie...LOL _________________________ "I would rather be a nutjob conservative, than a liberal with no nuts and no job!!!"
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#444508 - 12/04/07 05:59 PM Re: Big Hole Set [Re: UncleFester]
Jtrapper Jtrapper trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 7374 Loc: Alabama (Bama for short) 108 y...	But you see I am not that old Jackie...LOL Would of never known it from the looks of ya, must of just had a hard life? lmao. _________________________ I ALMOST survived SmackDown Tupelo '08!
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#444512 - 12/04/07 06:01 PM Re: Big Hole Set [Re: Jtrapper]
UncleFester UncleFester trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 2244 Loc: Onslow county NC	Originally Posted By: Jtrapper But you see I am not that old Jackie...LOL Would of never known it from the looks of ya, must of just had a hard life? lmao. Tuche, Tuche...LMAO $\:\)$ _________________________ "I would rather be a nutjob conservative, than a liberal with no nuts and no job!!!"
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#444516 - 12/04/07 06:02 PM Re: Big Hole Set [Re: Jtrapper]
dcpac dcpac trapper Registered: 09/23/07 Posts: 32 Loc: MAINE	I wonder if I used this set in the snow would it work?
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#444541 - 12/04/07 06:10 PM Re: Big Hole Set [Re: dcpac]
Drifter Drifter trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 1299 Loc: Stronghurst , IL	Looks about like a badger hole . I have noticed a yote can't seem to pass by a fresh dug badger hole without sticking his nose into it . Drifter _________________________ Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
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#444557 - 12/04/07 06:18 PM Re: Big Hole Set [Re: dcpac]
Asa Lenon Asa Lenon trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 2476 Loc: Gulliver, Michigan	Looks a lot my my "Old Indian" set, I always use a hole 3" to 4" in diameter against a small hump for a backing for better set visibility and eye appeal from a distance. I also note that from the picture it appears that the trap bed is depressed a half inch or so below ground level like the Old Indian style set which is GOOD guiding in itself. Sets like that will produce results even when the prevailing wind is blowing the lure in the opposite direction, set will many times be visited because of the visibility and eye appeal. Slim once told me that he learned to trap when he was a young fellow from the writings of my Dad and John Ehn. Perhaps this is where Slim learned the set! The only difference between that set and most of mine is the guide sticks. I like to plant natural looking dead weathered pencil diameter sticks about 18" in heigth and plant them vertically and firmly up tight against each jaw and slant them outward from the trap bed at a 45 degree angle. This works perfect for cats and works most of the time for coyotes if one makes the sticks appear natural as though they had grown or fallen there. Once in a while a coyote might avoid stepping in between the sticks but the usage of them sure cuts down on near misses to more than compensate for an avoidance once in a blue moon. Thanks for the picture J! Ace
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#444572 - 12/04/07 06:23 PM Re: Big Hole Set [Re: Asa Lenon]
Jtrapper Jtrapper trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 7374 Loc: Alabama (Bama for short) 108 y...	I like to plant natural looking dead weathered pencil diameter sticks about 18" in heigth and plant them vertically and firmly up tight against each jaw and slant them outward from the trap bed at a 45 degree angle. Did that one year asa on grey fox and whacked the fire out of them. No idea why I didn't do it again, lol. Think cause I moved more toward targeting coyotes than fox and did see some avoidance from them with such a set, which isn't all bad these days. _________________________ I ALMOST survived SmackDown Tupelo '08!
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#444589 - 12/04/07 06:28 PM Re: Big Hole Set [Re: Jtrapper]
Asa Lenon Asa Lenon trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 2476 Loc: Gulliver, Michigan	Those verticle sticks along with the modest step-down is deadly on bobcats and grey fox. As I said, I use it on coyote too and have learned from experience what I can get away with without avoidance. If I plant the guide sticks and they don't look just right and natural enough to suit me I pull them back up and go without them. Back when I took on students I never showed that technique to most of the students unless I was certain they could grasp and develop on the idea of natural. Ace Edited by Asa Lenon (12/04/07 06:29 PM)
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#444612 - 12/04/07 06:35 PM Re: Big Hole Set [Re: Asa Lenon]
Jtrapper Jtrapper trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 7374 Loc: Alabama (Bama for short) 108 y...	Sometimes i'll transplant grass clumps to use as guides at flat sets, have had real good luck with that on coyotes. Can't say ive ever caught one with just sticks sticking up though, im sure now that im trying to avoid them though id find every DUMB one in the county, lol. _________________________ I ALMOST survived SmackDown Tupelo '08!
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#444618 - 12/04/07 06:38 PM Re: Big Hole Set [Re: Jtrapper]
UncleFester UncleFester trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 2244 Loc: Onslow county NC	Originally Posted By: Jtrapper Also notice i stretched the chain out far enough so once the animal is caught he can't wrap around the tree! If staked right under trap like normal a animal could of wrapped up around the tree several times, more stress on the animal plus the risk of a pull out. Just thought id toss that in for the newcomers to this game. J what kind of trap you runnin there? Just curious you use this primarily as a cat set right? _________________________ "I would rather be a nutjob conservative, than a liberal with no nuts and no job!!!"
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#444631 - 12/04/07 06:41 PM Re: Big Hole Set [Re: UncleFester]
Jtrapper Jtrapper trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 7374 Loc: Alabama (Bama for short) 108 y...	#2 bridger/northwoods two coiled with music wire springs, double lamination, top and bottom jaw, shock spring. _________________________ I ALMOST survived SmackDown Tupelo '08!
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#444726 - 12/04/07 07:18 PM Re: Big Hole Set [Re: Jtrapper]
FlatSet FlatSet trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 510 Loc: Wisconsin	Here ya go "J". Dont have the before pics but I use a big hole for yotes quite a bit. Couple of pics for the cause. _________________________
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#444807 - 12/04/07 07:43 PM Re: Big Hole Set [Re: FlatSet]
MJM MJM trapper Registered: 12/25/06 Posts: 813 Loc: ND	Flatset not into those 6-8" chains? I like a longer chain. MJM _________________________ Mark J Monti
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#444815 - 12/04/07 07:46 PM Re: Big Hole Set [Re: MJM]
UncleFester UncleFester trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 2244 Loc: Onslow county NC	Originally Posted By: MJM Flatset not into those 6-8" chains? I like a longer chain. MJM What is the benifit of a long chain VS. short chain??? _________________________ "I would rather be a nutjob conservative, than a liberal with no nuts and no job!!!"
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#444816 - 12/04/07 07:46 PM Re: Big Hole Set [Re: FlatSet]
Slim Pedersen Slim Pedersen "ALL HAIL EL PRESIDENTAY! " trapper Registered: 01/01/07 Posts: 380 Loc: Georgia	I am impressed finally movie star guy, you DID actually fasten down a couple traps for first time in your life. lol _________________________ Proud to be a trapper and supporter of trapping organizations
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#444836 - 12/04/07 07:53 PM Re: Big Hole Set [Re: Slim Pedersen]
FlatSet FlatSet trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 510 Loc: Wisconsin	My chain setup is about 24" long. The long chain vs.short chain debate is never ending. It depends on what you like. My thoughts are that it lets the animal run around concentrating on getting away instead of focusing on whats holding it in one spot as with a short chain. I catch alot of coon in my coyote sets and the longer chain cuts down on the chewing issues with coon and skunks. Also if you have sandy soil conditions the longer chain helps in keeping the trap staked down. _________________________
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#444844 - 12/04/07 08:00 PM Re: Big Hole Set [Re: FlatSet]
btm btm trapper Registered: 12/28/06 Posts: 147 Loc: Southern NH	What are you using for bait or lure or the combination of both for these big hole sets? _________________________ Wish I could trap as well as I fish!
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#444859 - 12/04/07 08:06 PM Re: Big Hole Set [Re: btm]
FlatSet FlatSet trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 510 Loc: Wisconsin	I dont know what "J" uses. I use alot of natural baits, half a rabbit from roadkills and commercial baits as well. Coyote gland lures, call lures at the hole and urine as well. _________________________
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#444923 - 12/04/07 08:26 PM Re: Big Hole Set [Re: FlatSet]
Asa Lenon Asa Lenon trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 2476 Loc: Gulliver, Michigan	You don't fiddle around when you dig BIG holes do 'ya Flatset, LOL! Seriously, I would have to say there aren't many coyote, fox or bobcat going to pass a big fresh dug hole with a good food based call lure or meat bait inside. That is real set visibility and top eye appeal! Just the fresh dirt odor and visibility alone would lure in many canines and cats. Thanks for the pictures Flatset! Ace
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#444970 - 12/04/07 08:41 PM Re: Big Hole Set [Re: Asa Lenon]
fishdaddy fishdaddy trapper Registered: 01/03/07 Posts: 2494 Loc: southern W.Va.	im gonna try it i would like to see a pic of trap placement both for grays and cats. _________________________ Proud member of the bucket of guts since 2004. Fishguts is my hero..
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#444981 - 12/04/07 08:46 PM Re: Big Hole Set [Re: fishdaddy]
derek dutton derek dutton trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 180 Loc: Southern Illinois	Thanks Jackie
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#444989 - 12/04/07 08:49 PM Re: Big Hole Set [Re: derek dutton]
Bottomline Bottomline trapper Registered: 12/24/06 Posts: 3362 Loc: Johnston "By God" County, NC	Good post Jackie and Flatset. Looks like it will surely get their attention. _________________________
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#445037 - 12/04/07 09:09 PM Re: Big Hole Set [Re: Bottomline]
Asa Lenon Asa Lenon trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 2476 Loc: Gulliver, Michigan	Fishdaddy wrote...im gonna try it i would like to see a pic of trap placement both for grays and cats. At sets I use that look similar to J's, for bobcat and coyote I keep the trap pan back about 9" to 10" from the hole and offset right about 1 1/2" to 2". This works real well for me, catch 90% of the cats and coyotes by the right front foot before they ever had a chance to dig into or even touch the hole. The modest step-down of 1/2" or so ensures a good high paw catch too. Ace
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#445107 - 12/04/07 09:38 PM Re: Big Hole Set [Re: Asa Lenon]
Jtrapper Jtrapper trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 7374 Loc: Alabama (Bama for short) 108 y...	What are you using for bait or lure or the combination of both for these big hole sets? My favorite is half a ground hog, fur and all. Use to pick them up here and there along the road as they got run over. A good glob of a skunky type lure tossed in on top. Other baits ive used with good results are a hind quarter off a beaver, whole muskrat and was said, a road killed rabbit is awful tough to beat. If reg's permit you can decorate the hole with feathers also for added appeal. Around commercial chicken house's you can sometimes get a few dead ones from the owner, quarter these up for bait and use the white feathers around the lip of the hole, killer on fox and cats. As for trap placement about the same as Asa only I usually dead center the trap at this set as it has a 'step down' effect to it and that pretty much puts an animals foot in the trap by itself. I have at times only dug a hole like this and set a trap at it, no lure/bait or anything and caught fox/coyotes with it. Learned that one from Charlie Dobbins, lol. _________________________ I ALMOST survived SmackDown Tupelo '08!
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#445123 - 12/04/07 09:45 PM Re: Big Hole Set [Re: Jtrapper]
Andy S Andy S trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 5931 Loc: IN	Nice post Jackie. This year I WANT your autograph at the NTA!
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#445225 - 12/04/07 10:22 PM Re: Big Hole Set [Re: Andy S]
Jtrapper Jtrapper trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 7374 Loc: Alabama (Bama for short) 108 y...	I still ain't forgot what you did last summer! You think that horror movie was scary just wait! May just hire that crooked Probst guy to film the whole thing and have my own horrorwood movie, call it: I Still Ain't Forgot What You Did Last Summer, lol. _________________________ I ALMOST survived SmackDown Tupelo '08!
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#445330 - 12/04/07 11:29 PM Re: Big Hole Set [Re: Jtrapper]
inline50 inline50 trapper Registered: 12/25/06 Posts: 1144 Loc: carroll county, IL.	flat set ,holy cow man you don't carry many traps too far with those chain set ups. you must have 10 lbs. of chain there. very nic pics. _________________________ take a child hunting,fishing,or trapping today and you won't have to hunt the streets for them tomorrow!!!!!
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#445499 - 12/05/07 06:15 AM Re: Big Hole Set [Re: inline50]
TexA TexA trapper Registered: 12/24/06 Posts: 2079 Loc: Estherville, IA	GREAT PIX - GREAT POSTS - EXCELLENT IDEAS for any Novice or Advanced Trapper.... THANKS TO ALL for the info/pix... The ground is "kinda froze" here but the fresh dug Badger holes are just begging to be set...... THANKS Again! $\:\)$ _________________________ TexA Member Iowa Trappers Association National Trappers Association
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#446046 - 12/05/07 01:50 PM Re: Big Hole Set [Re: TexA]
Gary Gary trapper Registered: 01/08/07 Posts: 8408 Loc: Indiana	great post J .... been awhile since ya posted such a thread !! keep em comin ! _________________________
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#446332 - 12/05/07 04:49 PM Re: Big Hole Set [Re: Gary]
lonerjay lonerjay trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 113 Loc: rural Oregon	thats a very good hole to place a half a skunk. Give the glands a racking after ya stuff it in with a little dirt pushed over it and just the tail fur peeking out the hole. (Local regulations permitting) I'd never do that here in Oregon (-;
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#446847 - 12/05/07 08:44 PM Re: Big Hole Set [Re: Jtrapper]
Andy S Andy S trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 5931 Loc: IN	Originally Posted By: Jtrapper I still ain't forgot what you did last summer! You think that horror movie was scary just wait! May just hire that crooked Probst guy to film the whole thing and have my own horrorwood movie, call it: I Still Ain't Forgot What You Did Last Summer, lol. Ask Charles or Nick, the thing I was most disappointed with from the whole NTA was NOT being able to spend more time with you. Seriously. Ask them. I was REALLY looking forward to hanging out iwth you more. $\:\($
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#446862 - 12/05/07 08:47 PM Re: Big Hole Set [Re: Andy S]
Jtrapper Jtrapper trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 7374 Loc: Alabama (Bama for short) 108 y...	As you could tell im always busy busy, but you would of come in handy helping carry donations for my state association back to the truck, lol. At any rate, ya didn't miss much, lol. _________________________ I ALMOST survived SmackDown Tupelo '08!
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#446883 - 12/05/07 08:55 PM Re: Big Hole Set [Re: Andy S]
nelacres nelacres "Farmer" trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 2375 Loc: Derby, Vermont	This is why I come to this site and why the guberment man is my hero.... Andy, after Chuck kissed me Jackie and I figured we better leave before you and Nicky got lealous.LOL _________________________ State hopping longlining Future Tenn Trapping Fool Nelly
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#447078 - 12/05/07 10:04 PM Re: Big Hole Set [Re: nelacres]
j lord j lord trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 4108 Loc: TN, just north of Smackdown	nice pics guys! jackie, i remember that location..... _________________________ James -------- I survived the timeout of Feb '07 Runnin' With J Lord two disk set
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