#43335 - 01/17/07 12:20 PM
Wolf thread/archive
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rueben
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Registered: 01/07/07
Posts: 161
Loc: USAF Academy Colorado
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I am starting this because I am interested in everything and anything that you guys could share about wolf trapping. What traps you use and why, what snares you use, how you make your snares if you make them, different sets, successful sets.
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#44926 - 01/18/07 11:40 AM
Re: wolf.. traps snaring and otherwise.
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bearbait
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Registered: 01/03/07
Posts: 370
Loc: North Pole Alaska
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Rueben, you are asking for an awful lot of information. If you can narrow down your question I'm sure you'd get the help you need. The Alaska Trappers Association will be releasing a new wolf trapping manual and video within a month, hopefully. Good luck
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#44970 - 01/18/07 12:13 PM
Re: wolf.. traps snaring and otherwise.
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rueben
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Registered: 01/07/07
Posts: 161
Loc: USAF Academy Colorado
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so maybe just what type of snare's?
I just hoped that this would end up like the marten thread. People just add information that is useful when they can. I can't because I have not trapped wolves.
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#45020 - 01/18/07 12:48 PM
Re: wolf.. traps snaring and otherwise.
[Re: rueben]
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Kusko
"Mr. Mayor"
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 2086
Loc: Bethel, AK
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I bought a bunch of 1/8 7x7 Alaskan Wolf Snares from snare shop. I haven't set them as we don't have a very large concentration of wolves in our area that we trap.
I know a lot of guys use the #9 Alaskan footholds as they are large and can come up through a ridiculous amount of snow. They are also very expensive, so some of the guys on here opt for buying CDR and MB 750's.
Here are some sets that I have heard of, but have never tried. I know wolves will follow snowmachine tracks, so some guys will plant a foothold right on top of a previous wolf track in hopes they will return and step into the same print.
I also know of some guys that will make bait stations for those uneducated wolves. They will then put snares all over and maybe even a few footholds. Naturally, if you can find a dead moose or caribou, this would make a an awesome set. What I've been told is if you can catch one, the rest will scatter and hopefully run into the MANY snares you have set for them.
One more set is to find a piss post and plant a foothold there. They will come back and mark their territory.
Takotna, Dusty, Wayne Hall.....those are the guys with the skills. Maybe they will chime in.
I want to get a hold of that DVD as soon as it comes out.
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#45059 - 01/18/07 01:14 PM
Re: wolf.. traps snaring and otherwise.
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Hupurest
trapper
Registered: 12/26/06
Posts: 3905
Loc: Las anchorage
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there are some #9's on craigs list for sale...
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#45126 - 01/18/07 02:13 PM
Re: wolf.. traps snaring and otherwise.
[Re: Hupurest]
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piperniner
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 586
Loc: Alaska
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Rueben : Alaska trappers.org ( go to links of interest - Ak trappers forum ) has a video advertisement at the top of the page. It shows some snare building basics and you can order a video. Others may offer some insight on this thread as they have time. Many are trapping right now.
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#45152 - 01/18/07 02:28 PM
Re: wolf.. traps snaring and otherwise.
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otterman
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Registered: 12/24/06
Posts: 1504
Loc: SW Alaska
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I make all my wolf snares out of 5 feet of #9 wire crimped to 5 feet of 1/8 1X19 with no swivel. I like setting them on kills that I find along the line and also make some big bait piles with beaver and other carcasses and set my snares back from them in a big circle. I know I am personally guilty of probably not setting enough snares at both of these types of locations.
For footholds I have a couple of scent post that I set I use both the CDR and the #9 I save the #9s for places I know the snow drifts more and use the CDRs where it tends to blow away. I have been very impressed with the hold the CDR gets but if you have wolverines they have alot of space between the jaws and the frame that allows for chewing and others who have experince with both speicies tend to prefer the MB750 as an alternative.
I have very small hands and working with any of these big traps tends to put my fingers in bad places and the MB and its trigger system was the worst of all for that so I traded mine away with no regrets.
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#45929 - 01/18/07 08:48 PM
Re: wolf.. traps snaring and otherwise.
[Re: Hupurest]
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KYBOY
trapper
Registered: 12/22/06
Posts: 3379
Loc: East, Kentucky
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there are some #9's on craigs list for sale...
Wheres that at??
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#45997 - 01/18/07 09:15 PM
Re: wolf.. traps snaring and otherwise.
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bctrapper
trapper
Registered: 12/26/06
Posts: 335
Loc: Prince George, BC Canada
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I have a few Alaskan footholds but most of mine are 7 in. X 7 in. made here in BC traps. They both work well but I like my BC made traps because they have laminated jaws. I have heard from other wolf trappers that the Bridger is a good trap and cheaper.
I am a renagade when it comes to wolf snaring. I use a 1/16 or 5/64 aircraft cable 12 ft. long. I caught my first wolf in a 1/16 lynx snare about 20 years ago. Since then, I experimented and now only use the smaller size cables.
Many of the trappers here use 3/32 but nobody uses 1/8 th anymore. Some of us take about 20 wolves a year.
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#46215 - 01/18/07 11:51 PM
Re: wolf.. traps snaring and otherwise.
[Re: bctrapper]
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takotna
trapper
Registered: 12/22/06
Posts: 496
Loc: Takotna AK
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I use 10' 7x7 snares from the snare shop some #9 and a few mb750. I like big baits guarded by about 20 snares, been not enough snow to make them follow their tracks and the last 3 of a pack are being dificult with snares so now come the traps this weekend for some piss sets. It's good to mix up snare/trap sets,(even though I don't follow my own advice) snares are so much easier for me to keep working and I mostly stick with them till they wise up, they catch on quick when a set takes a member or two, keep an open mind and don't stick with one or two sets. I try to make all my sets when it's snowing or going to snow to cover up everything.
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#46227 - 01/19/07 12:13 AM
Re: wolf.. traps snaring and otherwise.
[Re: KYBOY]
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takotna
trapper
Registered: 12/22/06
Posts: 496
Loc: Takotna AK
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The few I have I really like, I've only caught a few with them but were caught real good, I love the #9 but the price/weight of them I'll be buying MB750 if I need them.
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#46613 - 01/19/07 12:48 PM
Re: wolf.. traps snaring and otherwise.
[Re: takotna]
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Pete in Frbks
trapper
Registered: 12/28/06
Posts: 539
Loc: Fairbanks, Alaska
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All,
Help is on the way. You should soon be able to purchase the new ATA Wolf Trapping DVD and Wolf Trapping Manual. I would look for both within the next few weeks. Just in time for late season wolf trapping.
I have it on good authority that a there is detailed info on how to build the best wolf snares in that manual. With detailed drawings as well.
(I know this because I worked on editing the manual for the past year and a half.....!)
Pete
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#48864 - 01/21/07 06:06 AM
Re: wolf.. traps snaring and otherwise.
[Re: Kusko]
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Pete in Frbks
trapper
Registered: 12/28/06
Posts: 539
Loc: Fairbanks, Alaska
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I am not aware of any advance sale program. But the finished products will be available soon.
Both the manual and the DVD turned out REALLY nicely. I think even the most critical among us are going to be impressed! Literally thousands of hours of work went into production of these.
Hopefully they will make ATA some money too!
Pete
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#48914 - 01/21/07 07:12 AM
Re: wolf.. traps snaring and otherwise.
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Rick Phillips
trapper
Registered: 12/25/06
Posts: 393
Loc: SE Idaho
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Pete, how will we know when they are available? Will they advertise in The Trapper, Trapper's World, etc? Good to hear you're still kicking, by the way.
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#49236 - 01/21/07 11:22 AM
Re: wolf.. traps snaring and otherwise.
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Pete in Frbks
trapper
Registered: 12/28/06
Posts: 539
Loc: Fairbanks, Alaska
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Rick,
We will be advertising in a bunch of places, including Trapper/Predator Caller, American Trapper, etc.
And I will make it a point to blab about it on here too!
Pete
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#50631 - 01/22/07 12:34 AM
Re: wolf.. traps snaring and otherwise.
[Re: Pete in Frbks]
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rueben
trapper
Registered: 01/07/07
Posts: 161
Loc: USAF Academy Colorado
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will lures made for coyotes work on wolf also?
What type of snare locks do you prefer for wolf?
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#50808 - 01/22/07 08:47 AM
Re: wolf.. traps snaring and otherwise.
[Re: rueben]
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Pete in Frbks
trapper
Registered: 12/28/06
Posts: 539
Loc: Fairbanks, Alaska
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Sometimes wolves will respond to coyote lures. Usually it is just curious young wolves.
I try not to use ANY lure. I always hark back to what a really good wolf trapper told me: "If you want to catch wolfs, put your trap where the wolfs are going to step....."
It sounds silly until you think it through. You will catch a lot more wolves by learning their behavior and being pretty sure where they will go, than you will by putting in a trap and then trying to "lure" the wolf over to someplace he wasn't meaning to go. Think about it.
I prefer the Thompson locks with the hacksaw cut that makes it a breakaway that will almost always release a moose.
Pete
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#52379 - 01/23/07 12:28 AM
Re: wolf.. traps snaring and otherwise.
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TrapperDownunder
trapper
Registered: 01/02/07
Posts: 22
Loc: Brisbane , Queensland, Austral...
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Pete any idea on the cost of the Manual and DVD?
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#53120 - 01/23/07 04:36 PM
Re: wolf.. traps snaring and otherwise.
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Pete in Frbks
trapper
Registered: 12/28/06
Posts: 539
Loc: Fairbanks, Alaska
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Not sure what they decided. Last I heard, they were each somewhere around USD$25 each, plus postage and handling, but no final decision had been made.
Pete
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#53545 - 01/23/07 07:39 PM
Re: wolf.. traps snaring and otherwise.
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amtrapper
trapper
Registered: 12/25/06
Posts: 579
Loc: Hardin , Montana
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Yes this is great news indeed ! I cant wait to get that set in my collection ! And yes it is good to see your out and about Pete . I may figure out how to post pictures again on here .
And yes the Mtn. is all snowed in . as is the Buffalo pasture .
Best Wishes , amtrapper
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#54021 - 01/23/07 11:12 PM
Re: wolf.. traps snaring and otherwise.
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Rick Phillips
trapper
Registered: 12/25/06
Posts: 393
Loc: SE Idaho
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Amtrapper, what kind of wolf population do you have in your area? Have they figured out how to kill the buffalo, or do they key in on the elk?
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#54106 - 01/24/07 01:41 AM
Re: wolf.. traps snaring and otherwise.
[Re: Rick Phillips]
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SE_ALASKAN
trapper
Registered: 12/24/06
Posts: 121
Loc: Ketchikan, Alaska
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if your trapping on a logging road i find a nice blue spruce or something of the sort the is very bushing and drag it accross the road and cut out 2 openings only requires a little cutting just to make the hole slightly noticeable and i hang a snare in it so the when the wolf gets to the tree he goes through the openign and gets caught works awesome but make sure you got a deer stop on there as you will probably get anything that is walking that road.
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#55018 - 01/24/07 04:30 PM
Re: wolf.. traps snaring and otherwise.
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amtrapper
trapper
Registered: 12/25/06
Posts: 579
Loc: Hardin , Montana
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Our Wolf Pop. is strong as ever and growing even if the Montana FWP will tell ya different . I've seen 2 I would say without a doubt were wolves and one that could have been a super coyote , LOL but as far as hard and fast numbers I'm not sure . But then FWP isn't certain either . They still haven't made a ruling on the " Wolf " or "Wolf Hybred" that killed a bunch of sheep over near Jordan as of yet . My best guess is at least a dozen maybe in this area from talking with ranchers . but then the way they travel who knows ????? I did find out that the Northern Elk herd at Yellowstone is down to under 10,000 head imagine that one will ya .
Best Wishes , amtrapper
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#55862 - 01/24/07 09:56 PM
Re: wolf.. traps snaring and otherwise.
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waterrat
trapper
Registered: 12/25/06
Posts: 12
Loc: lake Iliamna Alaska
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I was looking at the Sleepy Creek traps today, they look well made and heavy enough to do the job. My wolf trapping this winter is more or less a graduate school for them my only hope is they'll get senile before I do.
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#58957 - 01/26/07 06:38 PM
Re: wolf.. traps snaring and otherwise.
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Bushman
trapper
Registered: 12/28/06
Posts: 314
Loc: Alberta
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Nothing like Wolf trapping to get the boys going. We're putting on a wolf trapping school on Feb 17th which should be a blast.
Personally I use footholds and snares both. #9's & MB750's, snares are 3/32" or 1/8 cable. I also cut a length of #9 wire and crimp my snare loop directly to the cable. Some of my #9 wire is 5' long which enables me to anchor way back and still get a snare where I want it. I use 1/8 thompson locks on both size cable but use a gun checkering file on the locks shoulder. Lock grabs hold better and won't back off. My snares are set high as i want them to catch the wolf right under his chin and lock down quickly. Bait piles catch a lot more then uneducated wolves if done right. I use a lot of snares at a bait site and place some quite aways away. You can take a significant portion of the pack if you have enough snares out. I like blind sets for footholds and use deep snow to my advantage. Wolves can't resist a fresh trail in deep snow. Also use hair from my malamutes balled up and buried with a set in front. Look forward to others comments.
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Edited by Bushman (01/26/07 07:09 PM)
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#63291 - 01/29/07 04:36 PM
Re: wolf.. traps snaring and otherwise.
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northway
trapper
Registered: 01/25/07
Posts: 223
Loc: Tok, Alaska
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Bearbait,
You should try some of the setters for the #9. They are nice. My partner had a [I'madork] of a time setting them with his feet, so he looked at the photo Dean Jr. had posted on the "other" forum and made a set. Gator might have a picture handy. I won't be able to get you a picture until next Monday when I get back off the line. I lost one of the setters, but can set easily by hand now even with one.
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#63568 - 01/29/07 07:38 PM
Re: wolf.. traps snaring and otherwise.
[Re: northway]
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Trapper_1977
trapper
Registered: 01/26/07
Posts: 33
Loc: Alaska
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Northway, you are right about the setters if you are talking about the all metal ones. the first ones had wooden handles with a piece of metal on one end with a slot in them. they worked good but are no where as safe as the all metal ones.
Now to see if I have figured out how to post here.
God Bless America
Trapper
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#64308 - 01/30/07 11:24 AM
Re: wolf.. traps snaring and otherwise.
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Bushman
trapper
Registered: 12/28/06
Posts: 314
Loc: Alberta
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Just looks like something else to lose out on the line. I carry a small piece of 3/4" plywood and step on the springs, works so far. I guess if my belly gets to big to bend over I better get rid of the machines and start walking.
I might not have to worry about wolves much longer, government is out on my line right now in choppers gunning down wolves. Supposed to be helping out the caribou.
TrapperJoe - Sorry fingers going fasted then brain , meant cam-locks
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#64369 - 01/30/07 11:59 AM
Re: wolf.. traps snaring and otherwise.
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Trapper_1977
trapper
Registered: 01/26/07
Posts: 33
Loc: Alaska
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Gator Jr, that is them. they work really good for use old folks.
Thanks
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#64501 - 01/30/07 02:32 PM
Re: wolf.. traps snaring and otherwise.
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northway
trapper
Registered: 01/25/07
Posts: 223
Loc: Tok, Alaska
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Gator, Thanks for the picture. I sure like the trap setters. Trapper, they just make setting them safer. I know I've been out setting them with my boots when it was cold and the fingers weren't working that great and then a boot slips......... almost got caught a # of times! I am sure that would leave a mark!
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#64960 - 01/30/07 06:41 PM
Re: wolf.. traps snaring and otherwise.
[Re: northway]
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Bushman
trapper
Registered: 12/28/06
Posts: 314
Loc: Alberta
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Better clarify something here. I go in under the lose jaw on a #9 to set pan, I like my fingers too much. Can't do that with an MB750 though.
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#65563 - 01/31/07 05:45 AM
Re: wolf.. traps snaring and otherwise.
[Re: Bushman]
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Pete in Frbks
trapper
Registered: 12/28/06
Posts: 539
Loc: Fairbanks, Alaska
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The late Jimmy Walters had a #9 go off accidentally while he was adjusting the pan one time. It caught his thumb with the part just OUT OF the offset section.
Took a chunk right out of his thumb!
Be careful!
Pete
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