#435745 - 11/29/07 01:20 PM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: Freepop]
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Asa Lenon
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 2476
Loc: Gulliver, Michigan
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Freepop wrote...Can you totally eliminate your scent, I believe the answer is no. But I do believe that you can reduce it to a level that is not alarming and even sometimes may cause curiosity.
You hit the nail right on the head freepop. By using reasonable means to reduce scent one can reduce blatant scent to an acceptable level that will also dissipate completely much quicker. By reasonable means i'm talking about wearing gloves to handle traps and equipment, having a fairly clean body thats not reeking of days old sweat and cigarette smoke from last nights bar visit, wearing clean footwear at and near sets that haven't stood in who knows what in McDonalds restroom where one stopped for lunch, making a reasonable attempt to not brush up against foliage in the set area, using a kneeling cloth if one kneels to make sets so ones knees aren't leaving blatant scent right in front of the set. Learning to choose set locations while standing back a distance surveying the area so one can walk directly to the chosen set spot without a lot of excessive tracking around looking for a suitable spot, learning to get into the set area and out as quickly as reasonably possible to leave less scent in the area. Is that too much to ask? I would do most of those things anyway just because I choose to stay reasonably clean, dry and warm. Ace
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#435761 - 11/29/07 01:31 PM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: Nick C]
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Asa Lenon
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 2476
Loc: Gulliver, Michigan
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Nick C writes...How does a coyote know what human scent even is?
Why would it associate human scent with something bad?
How does any animal recognize human scent as danger? Good question I don't have an answer for but never seen an animal or bird that wouldn't flee human scent approaching. I take it you have never hunted whitetail deer Nick or you wouldn't ask that question, one whiff of you and the whitetail would be gone, gone, gone. Ace
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#435768 - 11/29/07 01:35 PM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: CharlesKS]
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Ohbuyer
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Registered: 12/26/06
Posts: 1299
Loc: Massillon,Ohio
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Can buzzards smell...oh by the way i don't wear gloves either
Edited by Ohbuyer (11/29/07 01:38 PM)
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#435774 - 11/29/07 01:38 PM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: Nick C]
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Freepop
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Registered: 05/09/07
Posts: 687
Loc: South Central Michigan
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Some freaked out from the scent, others didn't bother. Could we assume coyotes and fox could be the same?
I think Ace has aluded to that on many occasion.
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#435775 - 11/29/07 01:38 PM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: Nick C]
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Samuelhasguns
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Registered: 12/26/06
Posts: 1635
Loc: Pennsylvania,Lackawanna
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Nick, you just answered your own question lol.
"Some freaked out from the scent, others didn't bother"
Gos to show you that some k-9s would avoid your set and some wouldn't !
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#435783 - 11/29/07 01:44 PM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: Nick C]
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Freepop
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Registered: 05/09/07
Posts: 687
Loc: South Central Michigan
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So human scent isn't all that big of a worry. Take the ones that don't care, forget the fickle ones, and move traps to fresh "non-caring" coyotes. Keep trapping fresh coyotes.
Ahah! now suppose you're doing ADC work (remove the majority) and/or you have limited trapping ground, then add in low populations plus animals that've been pinched..........
May be a case for some scent control, eehh??
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#435800 - 11/29/07 01:54 PM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: Nick C]
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Freepop
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Registered: 05/09/07
Posts: 687
Loc: South Central Michigan
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For that style, sure, definitely could favor him.
For the guy with lots of land access and non ADC work, scent control wouldn't be much of an issue. eehh??
I agree Nick as I have limited land, time, etc., etc.
Very good discussion I may add.
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#435824 - 11/29/07 02:11 PM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: Nick C]
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Asa Lenon
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 2476
Loc: Gulliver, Michigan
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Nick C writes...To each their own. Both ways kill coyotes. And THAT'S all what matters, Right?
Right Nick but paying attention to details kills a whole lot more a lot faster. In fact, many trappers here in my locality fail to catch even one coyote when they fail to present clean sets with clean traps and have dozens of set avoidances. One more time, the acceptance or rejection of sets varies drastically from one region to another. What is necessary in some places may not mean a thing in others. Even the BOSS himself Paul Dobbins wrote a while back the extreme differences he noted in trapping coyotes in upper Michigan and Alaska vs South Dakota when he was stationed in all three places in the Air Force, stating they were so much easier to trap in SD. Ace
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#435864 - 11/29/07 02:37 PM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: Asa Lenon]
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cndgmn
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Registered: 01/19/07
Posts: 271
Loc: PA
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Its beyond me why someone would want to harvest half the canines then move on down the road to the next area.With gas,vechicle maintenence,trap and lure prices,etc,etc,etc.Course I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth...maybe I'm just poor and frugal.
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#435884 - 11/29/07 02:57 PM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: cndgmn]
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CharlesKS
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 7035
Loc: Kansas,31,6-1,220,B/B NS
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Its beyond me why someone would want to harvest half the canines then move on down the road to the next area.With gas,vechicle maintenence,trap and lure prices,etc,etc,etc.Course I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth...maybe I'm just poor and frugal.
transversely, you'll probably wind up even stevens WAITING on the other k'9s and driving back to the same spots over and over, when you can go to new ground and catch them quicker...
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#435886 - 11/29/07 02:58 PM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: cndgmn]
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cohunt
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 159
Loc: revillo, sd
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Attempted to stay out of this but now must say that based on 25 years trapping in the extreme north of Wisconsin in deep snow, big woods country and a bit more than that in SD, there is not one whit of difference in the coyotes or how hard they are to trap between the two locations. I have tried all sorts of gloves and now trap without unless it is cold. I have spent a lifetime with good hunting dogs and am sure that coyotes noses are as good. I cannot fool either into thinking I have not been there. Think for a second, when my lab hits a pheasants trail, it not only knows the bird was there, it knows which way it went. They never backtrail.
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#435924 - 11/29/07 03:40 PM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: cohunt]
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cndgmn
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Registered: 01/19/07
Posts: 271
Loc: PA
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transversely, you'll probably wind up even stevens WAITING on the other k'9s and driving back to the same spots over and over, when you can go to new ground and catch them quicker...
If you're on location and the sets don't need much(if any) time to air out the wait shouldn't be much(if any) longer than for a less wary canine.If the extra wait was true there'd always be efficient route planning.Gloves,no gloves,use straight table salt for freezeproofing,makes no difference to me,I just don't think people should knock something unless they've tried it.
Cohunt,thats inaccurate about dogs,there are plenty of bad hounds/hunting breeds that will run a track the wrong way.
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#435963 - 11/29/07 04:00 PM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: cndgmn]
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cohunt
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 159
Loc: revillo, sd
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Better learn to read. I said nothing about your dog or bad dogs, or hounds.
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#436027 - 11/29/07 04:32 PM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: cohunt]
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Asa Lenon
trapper
Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 2476
Loc: Gulliver, Michigan
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I can see this thread is heading into the argumentative mode. Ace
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#436036 - 11/29/07 04:39 PM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: Asa Lenon]
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CharlesKS
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 7035
Loc: Kansas,31,6-1,220,B/B NS
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I can see this thread is heading into the argumentative mode. Ace
IT AINT EITHER!!!!!!
Edited by CharlesKS (11/29/07 04:39 PM)
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#436038 - 11/29/07 04:40 PM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: CharlesKS]
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Nick C
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Registered: 12/22/06
Posts: 6544
Loc: Iowa 21 YEARS OLD
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I can see this thread is heading into the argumentative mode. Ace IT AINT EITHER!!!!!!
YOU'RE TOO STUPID TO FIGURE OUT THAT IT'S GOING TO!!!
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#436042 - 11/29/07 04:41 PM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: Nick C]
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CharlesKS
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 7035
Loc: Kansas,31,6-1,220,B/B NS
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I can see this thread is heading into the argumentative mode. Ace IT AINT EITHER!!!!!! YOU'RE TOO STUPID TO FIGURE OUT THAT IT'S GOING TO!!!
you call me STUPID?
well, i think ill just steal montour away from you...you know i CAN
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#436047 - 11/29/07 04:46 PM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: Nick C]
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CharlesKS
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 7035
Loc: Kansas,31,6-1,220,B/B NS
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I'm a double dipping Son of a Gun!
that aint right boy.
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#436067 - 11/29/07 05:00 PM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: Geezerman]
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cndgmn
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Registered: 01/19/07
Posts: 271
Loc: PA
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Unless your dogs a Siamese twin,better learn to write.
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#436221 - 11/29/07 06:15 PM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: cndgmn]
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Asa Lenon
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 2476
Loc: Gulliver, Michigan
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Gezerman wrote...
I use scent control as much as possible, gloves, rubber boots, waxed/dyed traps, clean dry dirt ect..
If your gonna do it, might as well do all you can to be sucessful.
But I would say a lot depends on how used to human scent coyotes are in an area.
Very well said Gezerman...are you sure your not one of my past students??? Ace
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#437863 - 11/30/07 04:07 PM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: Asa Lenon]
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cndgmn
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Registered: 01/19/07
Posts: 271
Loc: PA
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I'll drag this back up,its been a good discussion for the most part.
I also think theres no way you are going to fool a canine into thinking you weren't there until the set has had some time to air out.I say this because I've trapped and hunted for years and I've also trained a few hound pups with rubber footwear.I could ramble off dozens of examples concerning scent.One that stands out is that I've had a few hound pups get lost and had them come in from the upwind side as I sat quietly,so its obvious they were tracking me.I think it often comes down to what is an alarming level of human scent which varies from animal to animal with their life experience.Its akin to humans and the smell of smoke.A little smoke won't alarm most folks.The higher the level of smoke the more people that become alarmed.I think it really is as simple as keeping any human and forien odors to a minimum for a maximum harvest.I don't boast large numbers,I don't boast knowing the best way.I don't even boast about being a rancid coyote trapper,I'd rather peel those pretty fox.What I do boast is harvesting every last canine that I choose to.When you go through an area of mine after season and see a track its there because I allow it to be.
Geez,please,eyes above the waist.
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#437884 - 11/30/07 04:17 PM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: cndgmn]
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Asa Lenon
trapper
Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 2476
Loc: Gulliver, Michigan
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Another excellent post from cndgmn! Thanks! Ace
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#437905 - 11/30/07 04:40 PM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: Asa Lenon]
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cndgmn
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Registered: 01/19/07
Posts: 271
Loc: PA
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Ace,no thanks needed.Although we are years and miles apart the conclusions we've drawn are so similar its uncanny.
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