#430163 - 11/26/07 09:20 AM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: PAFOXTRAPPER55]
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Samuelhasguns
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Registered: 12/26/06
Posts: 1635
Loc: Pennsylvania,Lackawanna
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I use leather work gloves with good success.
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#430315 - 11/26/07 11:36 AM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: Woofman]
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Asa Lenon
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 2476
Loc: Gulliver, Michigan
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I use rubber coated gauntlets in warm weather and just cotton jersey gloves in real cold weather. Ace
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#432173 - 11/27/07 02:18 PM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: Nick C]
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Bottomline
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Registered: 12/24/06
Posts: 3362
Loc: Johnston "By God" County, NC
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Ever see Bob Wendt's Fox Video! Dude catches HUNDREDS of fox without Gloves!!
I've seen it Nick.........better look again.
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#432187 - 11/27/07 02:26 PM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: Nick C]
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Asa Lenon
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 2476
Loc: Gulliver, Michigan
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LineMtn Cooner asked...Asa, have you ever tried canine trapping without gloves, just bare-hands?
No, because myself and all of the other top trapper in my region consistently year after year out harvest the trappers who don't wear gloves. Its probably not just the gloves that makes for a distinct difference in numbers harvested but those who set traps bare handed probably neglect a number of other factors that all add up a total harvest one by one by one. An experienced trapper making sets precisely on location and applying a good lure appropriately would likely be able to omit any factor such as wearing gloves and still make a respectable harvest. Problem is, I have never seen trappers who omited one single thing, they were either thorough all the way or not thorough in many different applications. The thorough trappers are the ones other trappers think are hiding some big secret to success. Ace
PS- If I accidently touch canine traps or have to handle some traps to get the drags and chains untangled I don't worry about it but i'm not going to handle traps bare handed needlessly.
Edited by Asa Lenon (11/28/07 07:57 AM)
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#432193 - 11/27/07 02:28 PM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: Bottomline]
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Nick C
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Registered: 12/22/06
Posts: 6544
Loc: Iowa 21 YEARS OLD
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Ever see Bob Wendt's Fox Video! Dude catches HUNDREDS of fox without Gloves!! I've seen it Nick.........better look again.
HE COULD DO IT IF HE WANTED TO!!
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#433448 - 11/28/07 07:53 AM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: Nick C]
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Mike Taylor
trapper
Registered: 12/28/06
Posts: 296
Loc: PA
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I'm with Asa....top trappers use gloves....arm chair trappers will tell you not to.
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#433625 - 11/28/07 10:31 AM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: Mike Taylor]
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Taximan
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Registered: 01/20/07
Posts: 518
Loc: SW Montana
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I've used all the different kinds and bare hands but have finally settled on these.They are knit work gloves with rubber coated palms and fingers.They fit well,are much warmer than leather and the rubber is made for gripping even when wet.They give me a lot better grip on hammers and digging tools than just bare hands.I use a pair for work gloves around the house and I can even get in my jeans pocket with them on to get out a pocket knife or keys.I use another pair for handgun hunting as they give good grip and absorb some recoil.Leather and knit gloves get wet too quick and in this country,the leather gets way too cold to be practical in the colder months.These are very easy to clean off in the field if you get a little blood etc. on them.There is just no down side to them and I can't see any reason not to wear them.
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#433635 - 11/28/07 10:59 AM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: Mike Taylor]
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CharlesKS
trapper
Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 7035
Loc: Kansas,31,6-1,220,B/B NS
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I'm with Asa....top trappers use gloves....arm chair trappers will tell you not to.
LMFAO
wanna take a guess how many coyotes i will catch and all my buddies will catch bare handed setting cat traps on a warm winter day?
pretty bold statement, to call us arm chair trappers. i could never wear gloves from here on out, and ctch as many as i would with gloves. i wear them becasue its cold, nothing else. arm chair trappers tell people what they read some where else, NOT from experiance.
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#433660 - 11/28/07 11:23 AM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: CharlesKS]
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Billy Y
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 392
Loc: South Central Kansas
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I think your location makes a huge different with these issues. Guys like Asa trapping wilderness areas in Canada with few people need to worry about things like human scent whereas guys like me here in Kansas human scents abound and don't spook coyotes.
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#433694 - 11/28/07 11:45 AM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: Mike Taylor]
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Andy S
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Registered: 12/22/06
Posts: 5931
Loc: IN
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I'm with Asa....top trappers use gloves....arm chair trappers will tell you not to.
BWWWAAAAA......BWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAA.........BBBBBBBBWWWWWWAAAAAAAA
Gloves are more to protect my hands and keep them dry, warm, and clean over anything else.
If the trap is properly treated(waxed) its no problem to touch them bare handed.
If you ever want to be out trapped by an "arm chair trapper" as you say feel free to invite me on your line. I'd be glad to show you how its done...............
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#433702 - 11/28/07 11:51 AM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: Billy Y]
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cndgmn
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Registered: 01/19/07
Posts: 271
Loc: PA
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Thats what it is,all about location.I can tell you from experience,I trapped since I was a kid and most of its been self-taught.I learned the hard way what works and what doesn't work.If you want to catch canines in central/northern PA in any number you're going to need some type of gloves(preferably rubber).Of course this doesn't hold true for Kansas,Kentucky or what have you.You move as little as down into the edge of Maryland and you can get away with murder.
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#433745 - 11/28/07 12:32 PM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: cndgmn]
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PA skinner
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Registered: 12/26/06
Posts: 448
Loc: PA
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Thats what it is,all about location.I can tell you from experience,I trapped since I was a kid and most of its been self-taught.I learned the hard way what works and what doesn't work.If you want to catch canines in central/northern PA in any number you're going to need some type of gloves(preferably rubber).Of course this doesn't hold true for Kansas,Kentucky or what have you.You move as little as down into the edge of Maryland and you can get away with murder.
Makes sense. I think it's mostly about animal populations. In a high population, they are going to be more aggresive and competitive and you can get away with murder. If the population is low, they are more spooky/picky.
What is the benefit of not wearing gloves? Dirty, chapped hands? And do you then wear glove to handle your lure and bait? Because, my hands always end up smelling like lure and I don't want that on my trap.
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#433757 - 11/28/07 12:38 PM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: PA skinner]
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CharlesKS
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 7035
Loc: Kansas,31,6-1,220,B/B NS
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Thats what it is,all about location.I can tell you from experience,I trapped since I was a kid and most of its been self-taught.I learned the hard way what works and what doesn't work.If you want to catch canines in central/northern PA in any number you're going to need some type of gloves(preferably rubber).Of course this doesn't hold true for Kansas,Kentucky or what have you.You move as little as down into the edge of Maryland and you can get away with murder. Makes sense. I think it's mostly about animal populations. In a high population, they are going to be more aggresive and competitive and you can get away with murder. If the population is low, they are more spooky/picky.
you have the highest population ofd red fox in the galaxy. so why couldnt you not wear gloves?
anyone ever TRY it and see? i mean REALLY try, do 1/2 the line with, 1/2 without?
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#433768 - 11/28/07 12:42 PM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: PA skinner]
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CharlesKS
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 7035
Loc: Kansas,31,6-1,220,B/B NS
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[quote=cndgmn]And do you then wear glove to handle your lure and bait? Because, my hands always end up smelling like lure and I don't want that on my trap.
my hands smell like predator plus every day. if what your using for lure in the hole isnt enough to keep his attention on the hole....
beside, what TINY LITTLE amount that POSSIBLY could be transferred on the trap should be no comparison to whats coming out of the hole.
im sorry, i just dont see a coyote going "WHOA WHOA WHOA, i smell the same smell, blowing across the trap bed he made, that lifted 2 inches strait up, and met with the other scent trail thats coming out of the hole...IM OUTTA Here...
seroiously, think about, coyote works the set into the wind most of the time right? so how is he gonna pick up that scent and KNOW its coming from a trap in the ground?
i have a video idea now.
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#433802 - 11/28/07 12:59 PM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: CharlesKS]
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boyswannatrap
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Registered: 12/27/06
Posts: 1113
Loc: NY
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I'm an armchair trapper and I wear gloves, because it's freaking cold out. I always had clean gloves and changed them often. Last year, I grabbed the insulated work gloves out of my truck that I use when cutting wood, taking out the garbage, etc. Remade a set and thought well that won't have anything right away and I caught a coyote that night. Use what you want to give yourself confidence, but don't be crazy about it.
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#433827 - 11/28/07 01:14 PM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: CharlesKS]
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cndgmn
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Registered: 01/19/07
Posts: 271
Loc: PA
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you have the highest population ofd red fox in the galaxy. so why couldnt you not wear gloves?
anyone ever TRY it and see? i mean REALLY try, do 1/2 the line with, 1/2 without?
You are exactly right about the population.We have a great population.I think the main factor around here is trapping pressure,I mean real pressure.When you make ten different stops and find ten different sets from other trappers.I think the pressure makes them extra wary the same as deer who are hunted hard will become extra wary.If you've ever trapped 20 coon out of a barn you know what I'm saying,the first fifteen are easy the rest can get a bit trying.
As for setting half the line barehanded,I've done it.I've set my full line out barehanded before,as well as wearing almost any type of glove or footwear that you can imagine.When you are a kid you'll try some goofy,bizarre stuff.I've tried stuff you wouldn't believe.When you're in the learning process sometimes you're not so concerned why it works,just that it works.I did the barehanded thing for a few years and I did catch some fox.It was when I donned the rubber gloves that I caught fox consistently.I'm not out to prove anyone wrong here or anything.Just saying what I've learned in my experience in my area.
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#433876 - 11/28/07 01:48 PM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: Taximan]
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mr.pacojack
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Registered: 10/15/07
Posts: 23
Loc: Utah
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TAXIMAN,THOSE ARE THE GLOVES i USE AND LOVE THEM
Edited by mr.pacojack (11/28/07 01:49 PM)
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#433908 - 11/28/07 02:19 PM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: mr.pacojack]
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danny clifton
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 347
Loc: williamsburg ks
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Ive trapped a lot of different states. If you think K9's are preasured in Pa try trapping where the county has year round predator controll including aerial gunning and ranchers can legally use getters on private property. I catch my share hanging snares bare handed simply cause I find gloves clumsy. I wear gloves making foot trap sets cause ( I know it sounds girly don't pick on me) I hate the feel of dirt under my fingernails. After making the set I lure or bait etc barehanded. Think this does keep lure smell off the trap. I've read some stuff Asa has wrote on here and unless your making a set with a long snowpaddle like he describes your leaving scent regardless of what you do. My trapping partner would get a bit irate and justafiably so if you call him an armchair trapper. Some of you would be shocked at the stuff he stretches every year. He takes his gloves off prior to making any set.
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#434045 - 11/28/07 04:02 PM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: CharlesKS]
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PA skinner
trapper
Registered: 12/26/06
Posts: 448
Loc: PA
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you have the highest population ofd red fox in the galaxy. so why couldnt you not wear gloves?
anyone ever TRY it and see? i mean REALLY try, do 1/2 the line with, 1/2 without?
NO, my local populations seem way down this year, very few tracks and action, hoping for dispersal to change that, maybe, but keep in mind that not all of PA is a fox paradise.
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#434281 - 11/28/07 06:31 PM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: PA skinner]
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Grinner
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 419
Loc: N.E. PA
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Charles only certain areas of PA have high populations of Reds, my area has more coyotes than reds anymore and there is no shortage of trappers either, If Phil Brown trapped in my area he would not see 1/20th of the foxes he puts up in his area simply because the numbers are not here. I think there is some merit to the high population/no glove theory talked about above, but it all boils down to what works for you, If you are putting up numbers with hardly any misses without gloves keep on doing it.It's all what you are comfortable with and what you have confidence in.
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#435038 - 11/28/07 11:11 PM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: Mike Taylor]
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k9.
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 3192
Loc: Brooklyn, Iowa 45 years old st...
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I'm with Asa....top trappers use gloves....arm chair trappers will tell you not to.
LOL!
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#435085 - 11/29/07 12:22 AM
Re: gloves for canines??
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shorthair
trapper
Registered: 12/24/06
Posts: 340
Loc: Maine
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Jersey cotton gloves. It's like every thing else with hunting, fishing or trapping. It works for me, I'm confident that it will work, so I will continue to do it. I am definiatly going to check into some of those knit rubber gloves, look handy.Just because your confindent don't mean you can't try something new or different.
With that said, the first coyote and one of the biggest females I've caught to date I tried to pull the trap up bare handed because my dog had gotten caught in it. When I found her, I didn't have any set pulling equipment with me so figured I'd just yard out the double stake, ya, no way. So I figured if I'm going to leave the trap might as well set it and dump some dirt over it. Low and behold the next morning had that beutiful female coyote. What I think did it was my female shorthair had been there awhile and and left her poo and scent all over.
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#435097 - 11/29/07 12:41 AM
Re: gloves for canines??
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MADTRAPPER50
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Registered: 01/02/07
Posts: 478
Loc: Jackson cty. Wisc.
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In the fall I wear rubber gloves to set with and leather for applying lure. Once cold weather hits I go to jersey gloves and still use the leather for the lure.
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#435239 - 11/29/07 07:27 AM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: NDtrapper]
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Asa Lenon
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 2476
Loc: Gulliver, Michigan
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For those of you up on your trapping history, the Legendary trapper, author and lure maker John Ehn was at one time a Michigan State Trapper. At one point in time State trappers were let go and the best of them were rehired as state trapper instructors including my Dad Herb Lenon, John Ehn was not rehired. John had only brought in 35 coyote scalps in an entire year here in Upper Michigan. John's methods, which included the lack of wearing gloves did not pay off well here. John moved to a Western location and hence many have seen the famous picture of John with a catch of 29 coyotes piled on to his truck in one day's catch. This is not a John Ehn bashing post, I knew and liked John personally but he just could not seem to comprehend what it takes to be successful in my region. He took what skills he had, picking proper set locations, utilizing the prevailing winds to his advantage, making good sets and trap placement, etc with him when he went West and it payed off big time for him there.
The point here of course is that the necessity for certain standards appears to vary greatly from region to region. Everytime a thread similar to this one comes up I always take note that trappers in a majority of the locations East of the Mississippi and Alaska generally take the positive side to the necessity details and cleaner standards while many of the more Western locations insist there isn't any need for such detail whatsoever.
I think both sides are right. However, one can never go wrong by adhering to every reasonable detail even if a particular detail isn't essential in their area. One may go wrong if they think trapping in all locations is created equal. Personally, I have never trapped any place but within a hundred miles of home but I have been dealing with trappers on a daily basis for over 50 years. Of all of the many trappers I have talked with over the years, I have never had one that didn't state that racking up numbers wasn't easier in most locations West of the MS river. The exceptions to the Western rule was locations in the mountainous locations of the West, trappers have told me scores of times that their is no comparison to trapping the mountain regions to trapping the deserts or prairies not to far from there. Ace
Edited by Asa Lenon (11/29/07 09:01 AM)
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#435377 - 11/29/07 09:20 AM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: Freepop]
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lonerjay
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 113
Loc: rural Oregon
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Just like to make a small point here. If you have a great location, lots of sign. You put in your best set and catch nothing. Then you start to wonder. "I put in my best set and cought nothing, I wonder why I havn't cought anything"?
Then when you start trouble shooting and trying to illiminate the problem #1 would probably be... I wonder if it's setting with my hands. If you trapped as clean as you could the first time you wouldn't have to wonder if that's the problem.
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#435568 - 11/29/07 11:29 AM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: Lone trapper]
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Asa Lenon
trapper
Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 2476
Loc: Gulliver, Michigan
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Lone Traper asked...Do you think that perhaps coyotes are different in other areas and habitats Asa?
Like has been said many times on this forum, a coyote is a coyote wherever he is. I'm not sure about that considering the size, coloration and behavoral characteristics from place to place. However, I think the main possible difference is the population of coyotes in a given area vs the available food supply. For example, i'm sure there is more food available here in upper Michigan and less coyotes to compete for it that they can afford to be choosy here. In the Winter coyotes live in deer yards inside cedar swamps full of dead and starving weak deer, rabbits and ruffed grouse everywhere, ect. No coyote here needs to risk its hide over some lure odor associated with excessive human odor and rare foreign scents brought into the area on the trappers clothing and footwear. Also, given the larger size of Eastern coyotes vs Western coyotes there just may be a wolf influence in their genes and wolves as Alaskans can verify can be very wary of humans and odd odors. Then there is the variable of human and odd foreign odors dissipating more quickly at a set in arid areas than here in the humid country like mine where the grass and foliage is most always wet. Odors linger for days around here, perhaps the same amout of odor has dissipated in an hour in arid climates. This would account for all of the times i've heard there is no comparison to trapping Mountain coyotes to nearby flat land coyotes in regions that have both terrains. I've been told by a respected member of this forum that the difference in coyote behavior between Southern Alabama and the more hilly regions of Northern Alabama are very distinct. Then there is the possibility that the scent left by some trappers could be more threatening to a coyote than the odor of others. For example, Steven Trosper from this forum has many times written the story of his Dad. Once his Dad got cancer and was taking potent medicines red fox beging avoiding his sets. We all may emit different odors on different days that could affect how the animal reacts to us. Remember, according to a university study coyotes can smell somewhere between 400 times and millions of times better than humans. I can smell vitamins like B Complex oozing through the sweaty palms of my hands. If I can smell it, how does it smell to coyotes smelling at least 400 times more acutely than myself??? Then if I were to set traps that day bare handed perhaps that strange odor would repel the coyote causing an avoidance, my normal human scent not being the problem. There is probably a dozen more theories we could throw around but the fact remains that what works in your region and many others regions on this forum will not do well in a whole lot of other places. The novice trapper doesn't know what is required where he traps so my advice is always to start out paying attention to detail until one learns from experience what level of certain details is necessary and practical for them to be successful. For example they can throw the gloves in the fire if experience shows them to be nothing but a nuisance for them. Personally, I would wear them anyway to keep my hand clean and dry. Asa
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#435607 - 11/29/07 11:51 AM
Re: gloves for canines??
[Re: Lone trapper]
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CharlesKS
trapper
Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 7035
Loc: Kansas,31,6-1,220,B/B NS
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the point im trying to make, is that if your losing sleep and worring that gloves, perfectly scent free hand, etc is why your NOT catching coyotes, or fox, then I BELIEVE you need to be thinking in another direction, I.E. animal populations, BETTER SET LOCATIONS, etc.
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