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#336445 - 09/15/07 11:28 PM Lure Making Question
Dooger Offline
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Registered: 04/17/07
Posts: 235
Loc: UP of Michigan
Hello again. Haven't been much since the crash, but I'll be around....mostly reading.

I have a question on smear lures though. I want to make one of my own. Should I just use vaseline or some other form of petroleum jelly as a binder? I know Otter Creek (Galen) doesn't like Vaseline, but don't really know why. Anybody have a reccomendation and where could I pick some up?

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#336474 - 09/16/07 12:13 AM Re: Lure Making Question [Re: Dooger]
KYBOY Offline
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Registered: 12/22/06
Posts: 3379
Loc: East, Kentucky
You might try lanolin..
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#336545 - 09/16/07 07:14 AM Re: Lure Making Question [Re: KYBOY]
Asa Lenon Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 2476
Loc: Gulliver, Michigan
That depends what animal species you are making the lure for. I have tried adding vasoline to fox and coyote lures and the petroleum odor created an unacceptable number of set avoidances.
Also, with other species lures vasoline has a tendancy to lock the odor inside rather than dispersing the odor. Ace

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#336557 - 09/16/07 07:43 AM Re: Lure Making Question [Re: Asa Lenon]
bigpat Offline
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Registered: 03/23/07
Posts: 503
Loc: New York
Mr Lenon how do you feel about skunk essence mixed with vaseline, to use on a pole set for fishers? Is there something that works better than the vaseline that will stick even in bad weather? Thanks.
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#336562 - 09/16/07 07:50 AM Re: Lure Making Question [Re: bigpat]
Bob Jameson Offline
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Registered: 12/25/06
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Loc: SW Pa
I know of several that do as you suggest in Maine for fisher and marten. They seem to like it. Vaseline does tend to hold odors and glaze over in cold temps therefore limiting odor output.It can be done it is not our preferred method of formulation choices for bases.
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#336566 - 09/16/07 07:53 AM Re: Lure Making Question [Re: Bob Jameson]
bigpat Offline
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Loc: New York
Thank you Mr Jameson.
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#336594 - 09/16/07 08:43 AM Re: Lure Making Question [Re: bigpat]
Asa Lenon Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
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Loc: Gulliver, Michigan
Bigpat: With something as strong smelling as skunk musk I suppose some glazing over wouldn't be as detrimental as glazing over milder ingredients. Perhaps using fish oil as the base for skunk musk would allow odor to better disperse and still hold up reasonably well in bad weather. The fish oil would also add another calling to the lure. Ace
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#336595 - 09/16/07 08:44 AM Re: Lure Making Question [Re: Asa Lenon]
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Loc: New York
Thank you.
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#336814 - 09/16/07 02:24 PM Re: Lure Making Question [Re: bigpat]
Rick Phillips Online   content
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Registered: 12/25/06
Posts: 393
Loc: SE Idaho
Asa, I agree with you totally about the fish oil/skunk mixture. However, I use vasoline to mix skunk with for a marten call, just because it is easier to keep it from contaminating.....ME. Seemed like the fish mixture was always getting smeared someplace I didn't want it and I was having a hard time getting back in the house. Plus, it is so easy to just dip a stick in the vasoline, dig out a gob and smear it on the side of a tree.

Lanolin has a pretty pervasive odor of its own, and in my experience (summertime coyote lures) you have to be careful with it or it can over-ride the other odors in formulation. Plus, it gets harder than a rock when it gets cold.

So, Asa, or Bob, is there another base out there that would be better than vasoline but would have somewhat the same properties?

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#336817 - 09/16/07 02:29 PM Re: Lure Making Question [Re: Rick Phillips]
fishdaddy Offline
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Registered: 01/03/07
Posts: 2494
Loc: southern W.Va.
could you melt some wax and mix it like that?it would be water proof. ive ive often wondered that
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#337482 - 09/17/07 02:09 AM Re: Lure Making Question [Re: fishdaddy]
Dooger Offline
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Registered: 04/17/07
Posts: 235
Loc: UP of Michigan
So what should I use?....from K9's to deer lures?
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#338521 - 09/17/07 09:14 PM Re: Lure Making Question [Re: Dooger]
LT GREY Offline
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Registered: 04/09/07
Posts: 5554
Loc: Central Ohio
Crisco shorting is very good to mix( after it has been melted and still warm) with skunk but must be done just right and preferrably in colder weather so it will "set" quickly!
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#338761 - 09/18/07 12:37 AM Re: Lure Making Question [Re: LT GREY]
Bullneck Offline
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Registered: 06/05/07
Posts: 224
Loc: Lonaconing Md
Lanolin is very good...
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