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Mountain Beaver or Boomers

Posted By: coast trapper

Mountain Beaver or Boomers - 08/28/13 08:59 PM

Best traps, baits, and tricks to trap these pests. I have my own ideas but haven't trapped them In 20 years. Got a call so I thought it might be wise to get up to date and see if anything is new.
Posted By: Vinke

Re: Mountain Beaver or Boomers - 08/28/13 09:44 PM

Positive set over the hole with cages hereactive runs wll have fresh food in front of them
Posted By: ADCofWMt

Re: Mountain Beaver or Boomers - 08/28/13 09:51 PM

I don't know your laws of course. But my thoughts are to stay away from footholds for the time being. They can be somewhat tricky at times and you don't want to educate a Beaver on an ADC job.
Posted By: Peskycritter

Re: Mountain Beaver or Boomers - 08/28/13 11:49 PM

Nothing really new about beaver trapping i can think of .There's these kids running around with these goofy beaver floats really funny to see . Snares would be the way I went at them . ADC beaver = snares hung heavy
Posted By: Monster Toms

Re: Mountain Beaver or Boomers - 08/29/13 12:25 AM

Right ideas wrong animal



Mountain beavers (Aplodontia rufa, Fig. 1) are considered by many taxonomists to be the world's most primitive living rodent species. They are not really beavers, but were so named because they gnaw bark and cut off limbs in a manner similar to true beavers.

Mountain beavers live in moist forests, on ferny slopes, and are occasionally found in damp ravines in urban areas. Their worldwide range is the coastal lowlands and coastal mountains of southern British Columbia (from the Fraser Valley to the Cascade mountains), western Washington, western Oregon, and south into California.

Most people don't know mountain beavers exist and some still continue to question that fact even after they've heard about the animals.
Posted By: Vinke

Re: Mountain Beaver or Boomers - 08/29/13 12:33 AM

they are also easy to tame.............
Posted By: ADCofWMt

Re: Mountain Beaver or Boomers - 08/29/13 01:03 AM

Never heard of em'. But that don't mean much.
Posted By: andyva

Re: Mountain Beaver or Boomers - 08/29/13 01:46 AM

Apladontia,
mountain beaver,
copraphagic host
of the worlds largest flea.

sing it to the tune of country roads, it's catchy, makes long rides less likely to induce insanity.

hard to get anything to rhyme with selewell. (indian word for their fur)
Posted By: LAtrapper

Re: Mountain Beaver or Boomers - 08/29/13 02:29 AM

Some very informative articles on mountain beaver-
http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1054&context=icwdmother
http://wdfw.wa.gov/living/mtn_beavers.html
http://wdfw.wa.gov/living/nuisance/trapping.html
http://icwdm.org/handbook/rodents/MountainBeaver.asp
Posted By: Robb Russell

Re: Mountain Beaver or Boomers - 08/29/13 02:39 AM

Trapping The Mountain Beaver :

http://www.skinnymoose.com/wildlifepro/2012/01/03/trapping-the-mountain-beaver/

Size Comparison Beaver (L), Mountain Beaver (C) and a Mole (R).

A Mountain Beaver is bigger then a mole and smaller then a beaver !

- See more at: http://www.skinnymoose.com/wildlifepro/2012/01/03/trapping-the-mountain-beaver/#sthash.AX3PQZIk.dpuf

Posted By: coast trapper

Re: Mountain Beaver or Boomers - 08/29/13 06:16 PM

Thanks a lot fellas. Oh how I would loved to have all this information available and a large group of helpful people at my fingertips when I was going to high school and running my trapline in the late 1940's.
Posted By: Brady

Re: Mountain Beaver or Boomers - 08/30/13 03:43 AM

Originally Posted By: andyva
Apladontia,
mountain beaver,
copraphagic host
of the worlds largest flea.

sing it to the tune of country roads, it's catchy, makes long rides less likely to induce insanity.

hard to get anything to rhyme with selewell. (indian word for their fur)


That's hilarious!
Posted By: Dave Schmidt

Re: Mountain Beaver or Boomers - 08/31/13 07:20 PM

Robb - how's the Mountain Beaver population in Florida?
Posted By: Robb Russell

Re: Mountain Beaver or Boomers - 08/31/13 09:26 PM

Originally Posted By: Dave Schmidt
Robb - How's the Mountain Beaver population in Florida?

Extinct as in never existed. We got sand not volcanic debris in our soil like out North West.This is a surviving prehistoric species and few people work around them other then probably Vinke and those nearby in WA and OR .

No mountains here . Six years of images shared on WpN created a pretty large archive . We have a few mountain beaver pics

The photo came from right here someone who reads but doesn't post.
I used that photo for a What Is A Mountain Beaver Web page.

We are home of our new Swamp Beaver



Locally the Capybara, what I called our new Swamp beaver is our Mountain Beaver I guess.


The cabybara and the jaguarandi are both immigrants of South America and have been reported in Sante Fe, Ichnetucknee , and Suwannee River and have been observed by FWC, USDA WS, Fishermen, Hunters and trappers all along the wetlands near San Felasco Hammock Preserve State Park, Ichnetucknee State park, Oleno State Park.
@robbrussell

http://squirrelremovalgainesville.com/fl...pybara-trapper/
Posted By: Robb Russell

Re: Mountain Beaver or Boomers - 09/01/13 12:39 AM

Thats right Jaguarandi reported.

Meet Our Newest Swamp Kitty! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xai4jZb_p68

Florida is kind of like that for exotics I guess. Red wolf too.



This is what we have in our rural woods and waters.

Snakes, Gators, Crocodiles. Yep

and huge spiders.

But no Boomers or Mountain Beaver Dave Schmidt here in Florida.
Posted By: andyva

Re: Mountain Beaver or Boomers - 09/01/13 02:01 AM

So a lonely cat and a lonely otter cross paths in a Florida swamp, the rest is history.
Posted By: LAtrapper

Re: Mountain Beaver or Boomers - 09/01/13 02:11 AM

Nevertheless, check starting at 5:20.

A poor reference, however- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguarundi

Can you provide a recent reference of an actual Jaguarundi being filmed, road killed, or caught in Florida?
Posted By: Robb Russell

Re: Mountain Beaver or Boomers - 09/01/13 02:16 AM

Originally Posted By: andyva
So a lonely cat and a lonely otter cross paths in a Florida swamp, the rest is history.


Something is out there even up in North Florida.
Even the nuisance calls come in that way. Lot of mystery poultry losses not to raccoon or coyotes.

They are not panthers, bobcat. They are small swamp cats with real little weird shaped heads.

Posted By: Robb Russell

Re: Mountain Beaver or Boomers - 09/01/13 02:36 AM

Originally Posted By: LAtrapper
Nevertheless, check starting at 5:20.

A poor reference, however- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguarundi

Can you provide a recent reference of an actual Jaguarundi being filmed, road killed, or caught in Florida?


No Officially FWC says they do not exist.

Not like the excellent data we have on capybara. http://nas.er.usgs.gov/queries/collectioninfo.aspx?SpeciesID=2587

Nothing but poor pics and here say.They are the size of large slender house cats with funny heads. Maybe some crossbreed feral cat+ but I am not gonna rule it out.

Quote:
While Jaguarundis are not native to the south-eastern United States, it is believed that a feral population exists in Florida, established from an introduced population of escaped pets in the 1940’s. They were reported to be quite easy to “tame” by early Central American natives, and were used to control rodent populations around villages. Today, it is not recommended to keep these or any other wild animal, as pets. Jaguarundis are one of the only felines to not have contrasting colors on the backs of their ears.


- http://bigcatrescue.org/jaguarundi-facts/ http://bigcatrescue.org/jaguarundi-facts/

Kind of reminds me of the mountain lions often reported ,never seen in IL, MI then one day one shows up dead in CT.

These guys are only reported near our wetlands. Our local wetlands and rivers are southern tributary waters from the GA Okeefenukie Swamp and The Suwannee River.
Posted By: watermann2

Re: Mountain Beaver or Boomers - 09/01/13 05:18 PM

A Mountain lion have been seen in Roxbury NY. A lot of people have seen it. Local constable said shoot it and call him.he doesn't want it in his town. The one in Conn was genetically linked to one from the Dakotas
Posted By: Dave Schmidt

Re: Mountain Beaver or Boomers - 09/01/13 09:17 PM

I was just kidding, Robb. But I'm surprised to know you've got capybara (world's largest rodent)!
Posted By: Robb Russell

Re: Mountain Beaver or Boomers - 09/01/13 10:52 PM

Originally Posted By: Dave Schmidt
I was just kidding, Robb. But I'm surprised to know you've got capybara (world's largest rodent)!



Big ole swamp rats look like guinnea pigs just lot bigger like feral hog size 140-160 lbs.

Capybaras are native to South America.

They are non-native, potential invasives in Florida that have the potential to cause tons of damage to the native ecosystem.

All Capybara needs to be caught and removed from the wild . It is probably too late to simply contain them anymore.

The State is in denial or are they, that capybara are breeding but federal data shows otherwise.

One FWC web site says Capybara are not breeding http://myfwc.com/wildlifehabitats/nonnatives/mammals/capybara/
then another FWC web site confirms they have been been breeding here since the 1990's.

http://myfwc.com/wildlifehabitats/nonnatives/mammals/ <----Complete List of all Exotics As reported By

Fed data claims they are established in Alachua and Columbia County Florida and spreading.

http://nas.er.usgs.gov/queries/collectioninfo.aspx?SpeciesID=2587

Sit back and watch this animated you will see 23 years of federal data from 1990-2013
http://nas.er.usgs.gov/queries/SpeciesAnimatedMap.aspx?speciesID=2587

We have had capybara like rodents living here in earlier periods of time.
They have found ancient capybara like rodent fossils in Florida.
http://www.floridamemory.com/items/show/124583

Posted By: andyva

Re: Mountain Beaver or Boomers - 09/02/13 05:31 AM

As far as cougar sightings go, when I was under the employ of a certain agency, I made acquaintance of a certain wildlife official who had actually captured a mountain lion in a state that none exist in. Caught it in a girls dorm no less. Three month old started really freaking out the roommate. The illegal pet trade is alive and well fellas. When kitty gets to big to be cute, how many get dumped in the woods in relationship with how many get reported to appropriate authorities. You know when it sharpens its claws and cuts a table leg in half, it becomes clear that this is not a toy poodle. Really puts a different perspective on the whole cougar sightings issue, doesn't it? Many sightings are easily dismissed because of atypical behavior. Cougar that have been fed by humans would probably act pretty atypically. I would personally have no reason to doubt that anyone saw anything, anywhere. Unless they claimed to have seen an honest politician, at which point it is clear someone is miss-using a medication.
Posted By: Paul Winkelmann

Re: Mountain Beaver or Boomers - 09/02/13 02:49 PM

Well said Andy. I have been saying that very same thing for many years. I don't discount the sightings but very rarely are they wild animals.
Posted By: KnifeFreak

Re: Mountain Beaver or Boomers - 08/09/14 05:04 AM

I don't dismiss sightings I just don't always think people see what they think they see. Kind of like black mountain lions in Oklahoma.
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