Bat bug? for pco's

What chemicals are labled for bat bugs/mites? I got a referral from a pco I met this winter on a job, and he has never done a job for them. I could not find a pco last year when a customer had a problem with the bugs last year, seems no pco companies deal with the problem. Are any chemicals labled for them?

Here is a good place to start, had this discussion recently with a pco as well who hadn't either.


http://www.ext.colostate.edu/pubs/insect/05574.html

http://ohioline.osu.edu/hyg-fact/2000/2105a.html

Was starting to write something related to a discussion, but often this info is just put together
in an easy manner to get you at least the basic of what you need.

Justin

Justin



They look like bed bugs and no one out there is using magnification to to id them either. Bat bugs & bed bugs are difficult too observe any differences without magnification an comes down to whether the hair is shorter or longer then the width of their tiny eyes.

http://batremovalpro.com/the-bat-removal-professionals-of-us-canada/bat-bugs-vs-bed-bugs/


Many products are rated for bed bugs. I used to use Tempo because it was considered gentle yet effective but that was in like 2005-2006. We did more steam treatments instead of chemicals on most accounts. I would ask the same PCO's what pesticides they use for bed bugs not bat bugs and why for your answer.

Scientific name of the bat bug is
Cimex Adjunctus of the order
Hemiptera: Cimicidae

I've seen a few up close and personal Robb -

With the massive bed bug industry, can't imagine that most pco's aren't ready for these same treatments, though habitat is technically different due to the preferred host species. There was a new bed bud product shown at the last training I attended, must be new ones coming out weekly these days.

HD back in the 90's anything that crawled and sucked blood was killed regardless of ID. No customer wanted anything insect whatever on their property anyway. We treated and offered free retreatments.

Lots of great options available today. I walk the aisles in the grocery store and cringe at all the snake oil for sale to the consumer on the grocery shelves for bed bugs. If it was only that easy.


Its actually the new comer the bed bug that is really bringing more interest in the old timer the bat bug itself too. There are more professionals out there just killing all the bugs in attics then breaking out a Mallis Handbook of Pest Control.

Wanna see bed bugs . Look closely at this bat [below]and you can see how small bat bugs are compared to their host the bat.

We treat for bed bugs and bat bugs both. Many PCO's cant tell the difference as they are so similiar that the naked eye cant distinquish the two side by side.Several products can kill both pests. This is still a grey area in the pest control industry with some,primarily due to the difficulty in establishing a positive ID on site.

Most all products labeled for bed bugs will kill bat bugs. I am sure some PCO's are treating bat bugs when they may be bed bugs and vise versa.

Along those lines I know of at least one pco who treated multiple times for "bed" bugs before he ever looked up.

Them are just little baby bat bugs in the picture . There's major dollars in bat bugs company charged my customer 700.00 bucks for one room for bed bugs and turned out they were bat bugs coming from the bat colony living in the wall of the room behind the brick chimney. little girl living in that room had rashes for six months before the doctor figured out it was bed bugs that really were bat bugs .

Bat Bugs are actually much easier to control than Bed Bugs. They prefer bats as their host, so most of the time when the bats are removed they will die off. They will come down into the living area to feed on humans but don't survive like bed bugs. I would look up Cimexa Dust from Rockwell labs and dust the area and cracks and crevices near bat roost (after they are gone), or where you see them. Temprid SC also works pretty good, along with steam and heat. Here is a short video showing lots of bat bugs on bat pups I got last week. YouTube Bat Bug Video

Bed bugs is one thing we don't do because it's usually a housekeeping issue. But we've got a really good pest control guy that kind of specializes in them and we recommend him a lot. He recommends us too, so it's a really great tradeoff.

Good observation Pesky on the young instar stage bed bugs shown on that bat in the photo. They are far too small to be adults unless the bat bugs on that bat shown are from pigmy town South Africa.

Bat bugs are just as big of a concern at times as bed bugs in that it may take them months to migrate from the bat roost site after an exclusion has been performed.Putting them into the living space of a structure at staggering times over the next year or more. However crack,crevice and baseboard treatments will help to control their migration if the problem is properly identified.

A bat bugs life cycle is similiar if not mirroring that of a bed bug as is their ability to survive extended periods of time without a blood meal according to entomology studies.We have been treating bat bugs long before folks knew what they were in these parts.Our local pest control companies didnt have the wildlife hosting pest information and education until we started doing our PR with them.

Now more are aware of this problem.

Good info Tim. A good reminder too about host specific nature of "bat bugs" that is sometes overlooked.
With the expansion of the actual bed bug problem in this country I'd imagine folks could have both in one house.

Most docs would not know which caused someone issues or rashes, etc... Still worth treating where needed but making sure they aren't presented as being the problem that bed bugs are for avg clients.

Tim has worn both hats of wildlife removal and pest control work for many years now and a wealth of information.

Tim also does a lot of specialized brown recluse spider work in addition to general wildlife removal .

That bat photo I shared was Tim's off of his Google+ Company Page

What would be very interesting is what bug would hunt down and eat bat bugs . Glue boards could be used to check for bat bugs I would think

I wish you guys would change subjects you're making me itch. Go back to bashing yodle, that was way more fun.

No need for all that. The proof of a 30 DAY Organic Marketing Plan will be obvious on Search Engine Results Pages anyway.

I do bugs as well and was told at a class once that the bed bug is just an evolved bat bug so as mentioned before temprid would be my choice if they were that bad.

There is a direct relationship between bat bugs and brown recluse spider infestations. In almost every guano clean-out of any size there will be brown recluse spiders crawling all over the walls and guano piles. No doubt they find bat bugs a fantastic food source. However, telling people to dump a bunch of recluse spiders in their home to combat the bat bugs may be a hard sell!

Was in a large church attic yesterday after removing bat tubes from a spring job, and there were recluses everywhere on the guano areas. Same thing 2 days ago in a college building. At every guano mound at the ends of the peaks, you could easily see 30 to 50 recluse crawling on the walls and guano areas. I've vacuumed up hundreds during larger guano removal jobs. Removed 4000 pounds of guano from a church attic 2 years ago, and probably 1000 recluses along with it.

I always tell people the bats are just a secondary worry.... the real issue is the guano, bat bugs, and spiders that are present with larger colonies. It's the little friends that you need to worry about more than the bats themselves.

Not to change the subject.... but speaking of spiders my son found this large wolf spider a couple days ago while in a crawl space working on a mouse-proofing job.

I saw one of similiar size about a week ago doing a mouse exclusion/snake seal job.

That's a monster they don't get that big up here .

Them recluse spiders cause some massive skin damage . I've seen with my own eyes unreal bites Get infected the size of a paper plate with nickel size green puss heads milking out this infection . The bites I've seen we're all on kids that got bitten in there sleep . Unreal sight poor kids felt bad for them .

I got attacked by bat bugs moving a bat house one time . They went to feeding on the back of my neck not good feeling and kinda scary seeing who there last meal was . That was my first encounter with this demon bug . Thought they were some kinda tick at the time . Never again will I try to move a active bat house or will I suggest hanging bat house around people's yards . Got a video some where on a old phone of the bat house being moved . The one bat couldn't even fly off because it was wieghed down by these red demon bugs .

I could see how you could get them on you in a bad way moving a bat box without bats present, a blood meal is a blood meal even if your preferred meal is bats.

I've had dozens at a time fall from roosts during surveys and they (when bats are present) are always quick to go back up the toward the roost, have yet to bring one home with me and good PPE is a practical practice regardless for fleas and other external parasites on any wildlife we work with.

Having a bat box in the yard shouldn't be a problem for folks in a house 30-50 feet away, plenty of folks have boxes on their chimneys and have had for decades without seeing issues as well.

Too many variables exist....do what you are comfortable with I suppose... I would like to see the pic of the bat who can't fly due to bat bugs on it, it is well documented that bats will roost switch when parasite loads get too heavy at one location.

Wow, great topic. Ron, do you know of any studies done on correlation between bat colonies/bat bugs/brown recluses?