Victor?

I have crates of old rusty traps that I haven't looked at in years, I found this one that has me puzzled built like a Newhouse almost!

Nice trap, thanks for sharing!

Is it an OC or ATCo pan?

around the bottom it says Oneida Community, under Victor it has imal the rest is very hard for my wife to read, pan is rough. That help? there are no stamps on the spring

Tom, If you look at the top of the rivet under the pan, I think you will see that someone has replaced the original cross with this Victor humped cross. It is not original to the trap. The trap is most likely a Hawley & Norton.

Is it possible to replace the top part of the rivet and cross piece and leave the rivet on the underside of the trap,untouched.

The rivet on the under side of the trap looks original and undisturbed to me.

If someone replaced the rivet it was done along time ago, and they did a professional job. I'll take your word that it isn't a factory, I've never seen a victor like this I got some of these traps from an old rat trapper in Northern NY , he cobbled together traps to make them work, put a tear in my eye what he did to an ought sargent!

I have a very similar trap also in the 1 1/2 size that I found in a box of traps the other night and have the same question??
I am guessing the pan has been replaced as it is a zero size and the chain is a flat link chain but it is wired to swivel, the rest of the trap appears to be original and the same as above??
Thanks
Mike

Just when you think you've figured things out!!? I think it was done at the factory now when and where? According to Gerstell, page 196"by the end of the year many Hawley&Norton,Victor, and Oneida Jump traps were made with the so-called humped cross patented the year before" 1908

Well Tom, you are entitled to think whatever you choose but the answer from snakecollector is as authoritative as possible to obtain and I would suggest you carefully consider it. As far as when and where, all the components of your trap and of the second trap pictured were made by Oneida Community and likely between 1900 and 1925.

Tom, The cross may not have been replaced, O.C. did make Hawley & Norton traps with the humped cross. The May 28,'07 patent date is for the humped cross pan attachment. If the cross is original, then just the pan was replaced. mtnative, your trap has a replaced pan as well. Trappers fixed traps to make them work. Lots of repairs and modifications.

Jim, Thank you for the words of confidants.

I appreciate your opinion and comments, I had never seen a trap like this and thought I'd post it and learn something as this place gets a lot of knowledgeable people.

Thanks , Tom

Thank Dean-
In your opinion what pan would be correct for this Trap??
A Cast or riveted hawley norton with any particular stamping or patent dates?
Also what type of chain.
Good discussion
Thanks
Mike

This thread and those pictures got me thinking - I'm going to have to go dig through my pile of oddball traps. That set up is starting to look familiar.......

There are several pans that could have been on these Hawley & Norton traps with the humped cross. It would be a riveted pan and the chain would most likely be cut link. Here are 3 examples, 2 N.Y. and 1 Canadian.

As always
Thanks Dean