Catch neuter and release cats

Some legislator wants to pass a bill to allow feral cats to be caught neutered then released to appease some AR nut jobs.

What are they paying to denut cats.

No clue the AR folks would flip for the bill the reason the law has to be changed is that’s illegal by current law to catch, neuter and release I doubt it would fly but today who knows.

CNR is common around here, but the places that do it want big money if you bring cats in.

We had a neighbor that fed a large number of cats. Their overflow started coming over here and we fixed the ones that hung out. The neighbors moved and around 35 different cats showed up over the next few weeks at feeding time. I gave away or relocated most of those, fixed the others and still keep having more show up.

I like cats. They are useful to have on the farm for rodent control. I don't want a horde of cats around.

Keith

I know this comes up occasionally and people get angry about it. It seems like from a long term biological perspective a spayed cat has the same effect as a dead cat. The general public is never going to support large scale killing of cats but a spay and neuter program could accomplish the same goal.

That's not true. A dead cat does not kill anymore. A live cat can kill for an average of 15 years still.

I do agree that much of the general public is not ok with killing feral cats.

Keith

Except it's a miniscule amount they spay and release at taxpayers cost.

My mom is a completely insane cat lady. She makes crazy cat ladies look normal. A SNR company came to her house in NY and said they wanted to trap her cats, spay them, bring them back and release them. She agreed. They came down and caught 3 of the 50+ cats running around her yard, spayed them, and brought them back.

Big help!

A proven failure. To just maintain the feral population you would have to neuter 70% of the population.

Ask anyone who catches cats with cages only if 70% is realistic.

An individual cat might live 15 years but I'd be willing to bet the average lifespan of a feral cat is under 12 months. I'm in favor of lethal cat removal but it's never going to be accepted on a scale that's going to make a difference. Neither will spay and neuter programs for that matter. I'm not necessary supporting spay and release. I'm just saying statistically it would have about the same effect as lethal removal. Which realistically is probably zero anyway.

The average observed life span of feral cats, in a bunch of US studies, is 5 years.

Keith

That's interesting. I bet I've had a hundred barn cats around since I was a kid and I can only think of 2 that ever made it over a couple years

I have one barn cat that has made it 11 years now. There have been at least 100 hundred other cats come and go, many of which he was the father for. There are only currently 3 cats that hang around. I have no idea how he’s survived all these years while others barely make it a couple months. We have a population of close to zero feral cats. I believe we have enough aerial predators and open fields that it’s almost impossible for much of a population to exist. That’s fine by me. I don’t want a bunch of other cats hanging around.

I trap for people who do that...they feed outdoors. in an open barn.
I trap Skunks & Coons for them around cats.

My neighbor has kids. And free ranging cats. I have had all their females and two toms neutered. I have not told them. I am not going to kill a kids cats. The ones that show up here cause somebody dumped them dont survive.

They have several CNR programs around here. there is no charge if you bring them a feral cat. They lop the tip of one ear off to mark it as neutered.

We have always had outside cats. We prefer females because they are the best hunters.

Males spend their time roaming,harassing females and fighting other toms. They usually get themselves killed one way or another pretty quick.

We currently have two spayed females and the amount of dead mice, moles, voles and shrews I find is satisfying, it means they're earning their food. I also find the occasional rat,, squirrel, frog and sometimes even a songbird or two.

Free

This is way my business has exploded with feral cat calls. Animal control not trapping them.
People are fed up with the problem. I love cats, but, feral cats DO NOT get relocated.
Had a caller hang up on me yesterday when I said they don't get released.
Good for business.
Sarge

I say put this guy in charge of the problem.


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As concerned about species diversity as fish & game agencies claim to be, they remain SPINELESS on taking a hard stance on free-roaming cats. In SE PA we have numerous county, state, and federally owned park, and game lands. Drive into any one of them and you will see a cat prowling around one of the trash cans. Easy places for morons to dump their cats and kittens. Our PGC will write articles about song bird decline and maybe in “soft” way mention stray cats, or make no mention of free-roaming cat predation. On state game lands,paid for by hunters and trappers, cat owners, allowing their cats to trespass should fined.

I hate cats. My neighbor feeds them. Has over 30. Tom cats pee on the side of my house and garage. Still mice around. My pets stay in my yard and dont pee on anything the neighbor owns. If people want a pet keep it under control or its not a pet anymore.

I am a strong supported of CNR programs and methods Any cat that gets into a set must be released in order for me to keep using it And a released cat does not reproduce 100 % of the time I understand that farmers want cats near the buildings as rodent control But I also believe a cat out roaming the country is just killing because it is what they do

Unfortunately every feral I’ve caught has ended up with head trauma, but I still release them. What I’ve found is none ever get caught again.

lmao

what did Tatiana call it the other day

the catch , spay/neuter , release Hoax

it makes people away from the situation feel good about themselves , which was all it was ever really designed to do.

I was working on a job and we took a break at 9:30 every morning. Across the street a guy would come out and close the back window on his camper shell and drive off and about 15-20 minutes later he’d be back. I finally asked him what he did every morning. He told me he a cage trap in the back of his truck baited and would close the shell window, and go and release the cat that would be in the cage. He said he gave them a little lead pill to keep them from spreading any diseases. There was a crazy cat lady in that neighborhood and they were everywhere till he started his relocation program. Nobody none the wiser.

Sylvester says Meow!!!

BANG !!!!

w

One of the biggest problems nation wide, wildlife eating machines that compete all the other animals and can have multiple litters per year, City ordinance here does not allow the feeding of feral cats but, there are those that still do it, a town not far from here had the CNR people come in and do their thing brought back 80% of the fixed critters and let them run the town again, the town folk that did not want this took matters into their own hands90% percent were removed not to ever come back.As one CO told a group of sportsman some years ago a cat 500 yards from an inhabited building site is considered a predator and can be shot on sight. I used to do animal control here and ran into big problems with being able to deal with our feral cat problem, long story, it led me to end working with the town for all animal control issues.The same people still break the ordinance feed the cats, nothing done to stop it. Now the towns people do their own animal control alot less feral cats roaming the town. According to everything I could research here in Mn there is no law that gives the feral cat any type of protection.

I just heard about this yesterday from a co-worker. He has an acreage and a big tom comes around and has actually attacked and bit him in the past. His girlfriend is apparently an “animal lover” and got ahold of someone to catch and neuter this thing. He’s going along with it instead of putting a bullet in it.

These comments probably wouldn't go over very big if the word cat was replaced with dog.

Dogs can be shot and/or owner ticketed for harassing/killing wildlife.

Same laws should apply and be enforced with cats.

I don't let my dogs run loose at home, they are under my control.

The one redeeming quality of a coyote is that they help reduce the population of feral cats and they do not care if they are neutered or not!

I have a neighbor that is a crazy cat lady. No telling how many thousands of $$$s she has spent catching and neutering cats. She is a nice lady but can not see the forest for the trees. She had coyotes killing her chickens, actually saw them in the act but would not let me trap them because I might catch one of her 20+ neutered free range cats. Maybe when the coyotes clean out the chickens they will thin out the cats.

I have to agree with s snow! Treat Cats just like dogs

It would be interesting to know how much money (their own personal) is donated by the feral cat lovers to these spay and neuter programs?

I know how much I'd give.

in WI dogs are licensed in every county and enjoy special treatment because of it.

cats are not licensed in all but a very few jurisdictions like Milwaukee county.

feral cats have zero protection as such unlicensed un-named invasive species

we have a term for feral cats
"not named unprotected species" like the Harry Potter character "he who shall not be named"

BANG, BANG !!!

w

Millions

I looked up one such charity and they had over 350K recorded.

they are selling a way for a person who is irrational to buy endorphins and feel better about themselves for a day or a few days.

for just the price of a cup off coffee a day you can make a difference**

I have a black mouth cur and a heeler that are outside dogs. I have the wireless fence collars on them so they stay around the house. For some reason people from town think this is a good area to dump their cats with kittens out near my house. It doesn't bode well for the felines. They do not get a free pass here.

I was asked to check out a town park that cat people turned into a sanctuary, it was also on a beach that supported endangered piping plovers thus the push from the Feds to "protect" them.While they weren't thrilled that they would be euthanized, they would go along with it, secretly.....

Plenty of cats....and plenty of walkers, dog walkers baby pushers, beach goers, constantly, into the late evening hours. I refused to consider it unless they closed the park, and they couldn't do that. As far as I know the cats are still there and no other pressure about the birds.

BANG, BANG, BANG. !!!!

w

Neuter or neutralize?

Kind of reminds me of years ago at a Washington Trappers Rendezvous, a very knowledgeable, and legendary old coyote trapper (Jim Skoggins) was giving a demo on coyote trapping.

A person in the audience asked him if he ever caught incidental cougars in coyote traps, and if he did, how did he tranquilize them. Jim replied; "Yes, I do occasionally catch them, and I tranquilize them with a 30-06."

Some AR people are dedicated to the cause no matter how crazy it might be. We have a bird lady that shows up at our game department public meetings to try to stop or restrict forms of hunting or trapping.

get a blue heeler problem solved.

Maybe this is our answer to illegal immigration.

Or a west Siberian laika. The guy I got my laika from warned me; "laikas view house cats as game". Boy was he right.

My mountain cur was rough on cats. If they didn't beat him to the tree...

Any cat outside a couple hundred yards of an acreage around here gets the SSS treatment. Invasive species no different than Asian carp, snakehead, or any other creature we have here. Feral anything is not conducive to our native species.

They kill a lot more than mice. Rabbits, grouse, snipe, doves, quail, pheasants, Chukars, turkey's , partridges, muskrats, Prairie chickens, squirrels, both adults and babies, particularly the young.

I'd be interested how this is working where they been doing it? I doubt it's a very effective program where the population is a problem especially when u figure in the cost. Looks good on paper but I doubt the results accomplish the goal.

This is a religion/hobby/passion for a lot of those people. Through past history many cultures and religions have deified and worshipped animals. Hindu's, Buddhism, Sikhism, Jainism, It's not surprising that people in the U.S. have a religious fervor developing called "Animal Rights". People in past history have always formed some level of animal "Worship", read about the Golden Calf in the bible and that goes back thousands of years.

Every where I've been trapping there are field lions and free roaming dogs. You learn to deal with them.

I’d guess the goal in the end is to give them human like rights down the road in time no matter what their killing situation is the AR folks don’t care about reality really they are very single focused for a cause. When the tail bounty started here in SD the argument was the raccoons were OK but pheasants were the invasive species even though they are a huge part of our economy and coons are listed as a varmint. It’s thought that raccoons migrated to SD like the possum did making both an invasive species if you look at it that way.

Now if you posted a successful days group pheasant hunt I’m sure their response would be different then. LOL

My GSD just heard me say CAT; wakes him up out of even in a deep sleep.

We're gonna need lots of dogs then.

That’s a local/regional thing from what I’ve run into MO has a large amount of roaming dogs seeing dogs while hunting is not uncommon. SD you seldom see roaming dogs ever off of the Reservations. They just don’t last long in cattle country if not cared for.

Now cats Ive run into in the most remote places imaginable even the river breaks far from humans see a few on trail cams it’s rather surprising.

Can't shoot dogs in Virginia

Read about Australia and their feral cat problem..

With all these Chinese pouring across the southern border there might not be a feral cat problem for long, heck might even be a new market for cat meat.

The "other" white meat.

I've seen feral cats on the barrier beach 7 miles from the nearest bridge and about 15 to the nearest summer homes...they were in excellent shape and making it on their own...They do get around.

Our oldest barn cat have been about 9 years. Like was said many don't make it to 3 5 or 6 is getting old. I had a few fixed more show up. Took several to the discount/ by donation spray neuter thing that showed up. They have there ears clipped to sho they have been fixed. I think we donated 50$ or so a cat much cheaper than 200 I think they paid to have my daughters cat fixed

I think there are a few around not fixed and if I see them and have time to be sure they are one not fixed I will fix them permanently. The ones fixed can stay I even like some of them but a single not fixed female = 6 to 12 more un fixed problems a year depending on # of litter they have. That compounds fast if not addressed even when 60% don't last 8 months.
They do their job well. I don't see mice in the barn except for a dead one they may be eating. Daughters cat had one dead and eating in the house a week or so back. Had not seen any evidence of having a mouse in the house yet so she must have gotten it before it had been in long.

Totally disagree!
They've been doing it for years here, and the feral cat population hasn't gone down where people are feeding them.
What happens is cat owners don't neuter or spay their pets, and let them run the neighborhood.
Their ( pet) has a litter and they post on media platforms free kittens!
If no one wants them , they just take them to the nearest feral cat colony and dump them.
If not there anywhere they can dump them and not be seen doing it.
Amish used to take cats years ago for controlling mice and rats.
They don't want anymore of them.
Only good thing about dumping them out in farm country is they become coyote food!
I remember in the 50's and early 60's wild dog packs roaming around killing sheep and other livestock.
Farmers got together and hunted them down. Hence the dog pound and licenses .
TNR has been around for 20 or more years, until people become responsible for their pet cats , the problem will never be solved.
In Ohio we have a leash law, dogs need to be licensed , and we used to have dog pounds , that after so many days the dogs would be euthanized , same with feral cats. The dog license money would cover the cost of the pounds.
Then the animal rights zealots bleeding hearts put a stop to it , and had the guts to ask the county to give them dog license money to open and run three cat shelters that are NO KILL SHELTERS !
One or more cities, towns, or villages had no loose pets ordnances , and people would catch loose cats , the police would come and issue a ticketed for loose pets.
The prosecutor for the county wouldn't except them and said cats don't count.
Sorry but feral cats are a health hazard , and they stink to high heaven.
As long as there's no law being enforced on the problem , it'll keep getting worse.
EXAMPLE THE BORDER !

I will say this, looking through a thermal with black hot, you can pretend it’s the mythical black panther! Just pretend it’s a little bigger and that tails a little longer.

Back in my teenage years our local MCLB was run by a Colonel that loves to quail hunt. He was upset at the lack of quail on the base so they brought in a biologist to see what could be done. Their response was “trap” all the ferals.
Well if you didn’t pick up on the MC of MCLB, that stands for Marine Corps. I was in good with the GW out there (Gunny) and he notified the MP’s we’d be doing a little shining at night in certain areas. Weapons were issued and we fulfilled the Colonels wish of Make Quail Hunting Great Again. Our biggest weighed a whopping 34lbs!! We literally shot so many one night we went through 500 rounds of 5.56 ammo. They had to call for another truck just to haul carcasses. Fun times!!

I don't know if it's true, but I once read that house cats kill more birds in the USA than do hunters.

Adak Island in the middle of the north pacific once had a US naval base with 6000 residents. When the base shut down in the 1990's many folks left their cats. There are now less than 100 people living there. The last time I was there about 10 years ago, I saw feral cats. There are plenty of abandoned buildings that give them shelter, and LOTS of invasive rats and wild native birds to feed them. They have become very wild and elusive.

Have found baby birds with just their heads eaten by house cats.
Found baby rabbits all killed and only one was partially eaten, by house cats.
Anyone that lets their well fed cats out, find dead animals left as presents by their cats, and think it's cute!
People are totally ignorant about a cats instinct to hunt and kill.
They hunt and kill just for the killing.
Millions of song birds are killed every year by house cats, untold numbers are killed by feral cats.

In the 70's a solid color cat hide sold for $5.00 .
There ( from what I read ) was a $5.00 bounty on cats at one time in Minnesota .
Same with Australia , that was at one time over run with feral cats.
Sorry but if a cat is running loose , even with a collar , they're feral!

I don't release stray cats I use em for or bait.

Always heard to throw tom cats up into grape vines , and set the trails going in and out of the vines.
Perfect for snares.