Trump Addresses the NRA

Promises to protect the second amendment.

Is that the same Trump that promised national carry? Bump stock bans? Suggested red flag laws were a good thing? Promised to take suppressors off NFA? Says insta check is a good thing? I guess that does make him a friend of the NRA. I am not.

Trump might be our best bet to get control of the border, sort out some global conflict, deport illegals, round up insurgents that are here now, but he is not the best choice to stop the assault on our civil rights.

He alot better then haly.

Ever hear of letting the perfect be the enemy of the good?

Trump is good.

"A good plan, violently executed now, is better than a perfect plan next week” — George Patton

I am just pointing out Trump worship is pretty common. The man has some big holes in him. His childish campaign style has cost him big time. His rhetoric often sounds like a JR high bully.

So does your NRA whining.

IF there is a fair election, Trump will be up against the same machine as last time. One lone man against the swamp. They will bury him in false accusations.

I dont believe standing up for my civil rights is whining. Hero worship gets old fast.

" I have a pen and I have a phone. The constitution is a worn out document."
Who's a bully?

I think he has a clue this go a round.

But you're right and he needs all the help he can get. There will be candidates for both house and senate on the ballot this November so vote in some help for the guy.

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National reciprocity and suppressors off of NFA was a failure of the Republican controlled house and senate, not the president. I do agree that firearm protections aren't priority of the Trump administration. The whole for/against the second is nothing more than political campaign fodder. If a tyrant is elected that truly confiscates firearms using the forces of .gov to do so, that would probably be he best thing for gun owners. If you have to use the 2nd to keep the 2nd and gun owners come out on the winning end the importance of the second will be engrained in peoples minds for several generations.

Biden says he wants to close the Border. I wonder why nobody believes him?

name one human who DOESN'T!

Corn Pop believes him !

Too little, too late. It does show that dems know the border issue is hurting them.

indeed!

danny, show us a major candidate who is addressing GOA, JPFO, [insert your favorite "no compromise" group here].

we'll wait...

Agree Danny, Trump hurts himself ALOT. I just look at what he DOES get done and ignore his ranting, results are what matter most. So far he's the ONLY person going against the people that are against me and you, both the R's and D's though the D's have been hijaked by the communist party now, their useful idiot supporters are just too dumb to figure that out.

Id rather have a flawed American than an enemy of the country running things, which is your two choice's now. If you wait for the perfect candidate to vote for you will be waiting a long long time.

Plus i doubt Trump would appoint anyone to Interior Dept. , etc. that would be harmful to trappers and trapping.

let's face it...in the grand scheme of things, American's firearms rights are (whether you or I agree with it) pretty far down on the list of immediately "pressing" issues our country now faces.

the fact that Trump is spending ANY time on it, should be a positive sign for those of us who care about it.

I don't think Trump is anti-gun. Hes just an ignorant new yorker.

Ol dad

I disagree.

The Bruen decision was huge.

Republicans have done as much damage to our 2A rights as the Democrats- looking at you President Reagan.

I am no fan of the National Rifle Association. It is a fact the NRA was not interested in joining or supporting the Bruen case that is turning back a bunch of the draconian measures.

You guys do know that the NRA owns the great american outdoor show right? It's not like he's going to promote the GOA at a show that's owned by the NRA.

I have a buddy with TDS real bad the typical hogwash that my choice is bad and the MAGA cult BS he goes on and on with his dribble with all of the lefts talking points but claims he’s a true conservative. It makes laugh because he has no candidate to offer just my choice is unacceptable to him.

The last election he wrote in his dog to be cute or he thinks that’s cute it seems like a total waste except to stroke his ego pointless the way I see it. Trump is best manager I see out there period that’s in the race now. My Buddy carries on but offers no alternative my dog is not a choice for me. LOL I’ll say this any day about Trump because it’s what I believe. Uncle Ted and Trump should say what needs to be said the shut the pie hole that’s just a fact. I don’t want to hear about the mystic flight of the arrow nonsense but that’s their routine.

Then again other Nations fear Trump they laugh at us today with the current clown show we have so maybe that bold talk has a place but if the guy got it done before he’s the best chance to do it again. Offer me an alternative that has the same impact and leadership skills I’d listen until then, your fired! LOL

I agree. And Danny has no solutions that lead to a "perfect" candidate. Just wants to complain.

At least Trump knows we exist. His sons are well known to be hunters. Name a prominent Democrat that has shown up and addressed an NRA convention or any other Pro-Second Amendment rally. I'll wait.

Just don't pretend Trump is something he is not. He might be the best choice but quit claiming he is something he is not. He is pandering to gun owners but could not personally care one way or the other.

Bingo.

Not just you Danny but how do you know to what extent people believe in one thing or another really?

His sons hunt and he supports our rights to own. Nobody is a perfect one but he does try to do what is best for this country. I never heard of our enemies attacking and killing our people. Our enemies not only feared him but respected him as well. Think they have any of that for a Demented Hair Sniffer that they can just buy off???

If you love the NRA put them in your will. Send them your retirement fund. Just quit claiming they are something they are not. Their real goal is more money.

ISIS was burning people alive in cages for years under Obummer, Trump turned the military lose and they wiped them out in 6 months! Now what's going on in the middle east?

If not for the NRA you would be throwing rocks today that’s a fact maybe quit complaining and join both the GOA and NRA so they can carry your water in the future.

He is not whining stating very clear facts. Hey I get it your an old man wearing your NRA hat and your identity is tied to the idea they protect gun rights and you can't even think about admitting they have and continue to support the biggest gun control policies we have ever gotten shoved down our throat. but hey NRA NRA. Right!!!

Trump failed on gun control. Only thing he did well was sign so the cmp could get grands back we loaned out and get a lot of good judges. But the man is not pro gun. So Danny is 100% correct. But you just want to blindly be a follower that can't even entertain that the NRA and trim have some major problems. I got to say everything I read here Danny said I and in 100% agreement with.

He is not whining stating very clear facts. Hey I get it your an old man wearing your NRA hat and your identity is tied to the idea they protect gun rights and you can't even think about admitting they have and continue to support the biggest gun control policies we have ever gotten shoved down our throat. but hey NRA NRA. Right!!!

Trump failed on gun control. Only thing he did well was sign so the cmp could get grands back we loaned out and get a lot of good judges. But the man is not pro gun. So Danny is 100% correct. But you just want to blindly be a follower that can't even entertain that the NRA and trim have some major problems. I got to say everything I read here Danny said I and in 100% agreement with.

Second someone says anything semi negative about trump y'all turn on them , like a dang pack of starving coyotes with steaks strapped to there butts

So what is your answer. Re-elect Biden?

The problem is when people that won’t commit to anything try to say others are out to worship him when that’s not a true statement in any way. Big difference there Skippy.

If you like the gun control NRA supports, NFA, act of 68, Reagans 84 law, Clintons instacheck, then say so. I do not. Get tired of people telling me to support NRA. I used to. Then decided my Dad uncle and granddad were right. They just want more money.

NONE ZERO ZIP of any of NRA's gun control support has curtailed gun crime. NONE of it.

So who is your better alternative?

Alternative to what? If your not going to to read the whole thread don't ask questions.

Trump 1000 x better than Biden on all issues.....

now we agree

I figured this post, like any post on Tman that mentions the NRA, would bring out the bashers. They just can't resist stating their "facts" over and over and over again.

This is America. Ignore the fact that NRA supports gun control. Its your money. Not mine.

I have read the whole post. I'm asking you who you think is a better alternative than Trump? It's a simple question. You complain about him, so you must have a better option.

Do they ever post any of the facts where the NRA increased gunowner gains?

Nope,

Somehow repeating the same things over and over without answering questions will make some folks think they have the answers.

Sure seems that way.

so, how is griping about an organization that he agrees with helping one iota?

the political reality is that NO ONE gets 100 percent of what they want. GOA doesn't, either.

What gets old, is being told you worship the man. Or your a cultist. Or any other number of things because you agree with Trump on a lot of things. You can't have a discussion about him without someone on here saying it.

No but I did. in the past I made several lengthy posts detailing the many positive things the NRA has done to benefit gun owners and promote the shooting sports.

Just the other day I posted the following in response to Danny Clifton having never heard of the Great American Outdoor show. It too was ignored.

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Recognizing the good things the man did for this country when he was President is not worship. It's commonsense.

Something a whole lot of Trump-bashers seem to be lacking.

I would have ignored that too. Gains in gun ownership rights?

Doesn't your google work?

I'm just saying seem anything time I've ever asked a NRA supporter when about the NRA I can't get a legit answer. Like I'll ask something with no malicious intent such as " what bills or or actions as the NRA stopped or help pass that where to the benefit of gun owners in the last year or two" or " what exactly does the NRA do with my money"
And it never seems to go well. Usually goes down the lines of " well if you where a member you'd know !" "Why aren't you a member!" " they fight for our rights!" That or I start getting interrogated on who's supposed to be the better option.
Like I'm sorry that doesn't answer my question . I mean seriously I'd figure I could get a link to a free news letter that's gone over recent events they helped with or " yeah last month their lobbying helped get bill XYZ kicked dout". Or " the last years they have been helping pust towards reforms with this states laws" . I don't need a lawyer lever dissertation on how every penny is spent , but the fact it seems anytime I've legit asked wanting to know no one came seem to give me a straight answer .....well that doesn't look good and doesn't make me very confident. And I'm sorry but I REFUSE to support and give money to something strictly based off of " well there supposed to" . Yeah peta is supposed to spend all there billions of donations helping animals and their kill rate is what ? 70% ?

Same goes for any political whatever. If your gonna be a rabid attack dog for someone and you can't even explain what's Soo good or bad about them past party propaganda ( to be clear I AM NOT referring to anyone ,and or group in perticular at all so if you feel personally attacked or think this is directed at you thats your problem) then that's just ...I dont even have a word for it .

Like my mom knows a guy who HATES trump with a passion HATES HIM. Love Hillary though think she's the best thing ever . Would go off on tangents for ten minutes.
Finally asked him " ok why do you hate trump so much ?"
Says " o he's the most evil racist stupid president and he's destroying this country!"
So I ask : " ok what's some racist stuff he's done ? "
He COULD NOT give me anything. You'd figure such a racist guy would have so many document points where he's being racist. Idk maybe calling his employee the hard R or something, throwing bricks at a bunch of Mexican kids or something. You think it would be easy for someone who hates the guy so much to have these examples ready to go but NOPE. Just a bunch of regurgitated bull saying how no one should vote for him.

Well then I asked what's so good about Hillary since he loves her so much .
He says "O man she's the best ever ! Man she's such a good woman she should be president"
To which I ask "Ok but why ? What are some things she's done ?"
He says : "man she cleaned dup New York! Ran it good "
To which I ask again ": " ok how so ? What's some stuff she did ? "
COULD NOT tell me anything not even something as simple as she " she did something with the police and helped with corruption in the force " or " she put more funding towards the schools" SOMETHING but no could not give me anything. Just started turning getting upset asking why I thought Trump was better ( never said that but I do) an similar

Now on the flip side one of the actual good interactions I had when I comes to the NRA ( asking about it that is) came from one of my managers . He was an NRA guy and I asked him
" hay doesn't seem like the NRA really does anything but I'm not really sure , what exactly do they do with all the money and donations?"
He don't get conceded (I am NOT saying anyone here has ) or rude , combative anything , no he started stsred giving me some basic information and explaining stuff. Saying hay you can go look at XYZ and it can give you more info ,how they do a lot with shooting education and ranges and stuff. How he felt they have helped some stuff. Nothing super out there deep end knowledge but actually gave me something past " your a gun women er you should be apart of the NRA"
But what I'm getting at is if you can't give any basic information that can actually be helpful in understanding something past what might just come off as party rhetoric then....egh your not doing much to really convince anyone about the good or bad or something if they have more then a few brain cells.

Ok now I stit back to see how somones gonna spin all that to say I hate the NRA trump and something else

Here's a list I complied back in 2020 of some of the gun rights gains the NRA backed financially and/or legally.

If y'all googles work I'm sure y'all could add to it if you cared to.

1975: The NRA Institute for Legislative Action (ILA) was formed. ILA is the lobbying arm of the NRA. ILA is committed to preserving the right of all law-abiding individuals to purchase, possess and use firearms for legitimate purposes as guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. ILA’s ability to fight successfully for the rights of America’s law-abiding gun owners directly reflects the support of the NRA’s more than 5 million members—a number that has more than tripled since 1978. When restrictive gun-control legislation is proposed at the local, state or federal level, NRA members and supporters are alerted and respond with individual letters, faxes, emails and calls to their elected representatives to make their views known.
NRA-ILA is also involved in educating the public about the facts concerning the many facets of firearm ownership in America. Through the distribution of millions of printed fact sheets, brochures and articles annually and the posting of information and the latest news daily on its website (nraila.org), ILA provides facts about responsible firearm ownership, the Second Amendment and other topics.
Today, ILA employs a staff of more than 80, with a team of full-time lobbyists defending Second Amendment issues on Capitol Hill, in state legislatures and in local government bodies.

1981: From 1981 through 1991, the NRA helped bring the number of states with firearm-preemption laws to 41. Today, 45 states limit the authority of municipalities to regulate firearms and ammunition. These laws generally preclude local governments from enacting any additional regulations on firearms or ammunition beyond state law. Without firearm preemption, gun owners would be subjected to a patchwork of hundreds or even thousands of different sets of laws in every state. Before the 1980s, only three states had passed or confirmed, through litigation, firearm preemption laws.
1986: Years of NRA-ILA lobbying led to the Firearms Owners’ Protection Act of 1986 being signed into law by President Ronald Reagan. ILA worked for more than a decade to secure passage of this historic legislation in order to reform the Gun Control Act of 1968. Remember, before your NRA worked to change that law, every violation was a federal felony and you didn’t even need to have any intent to break the law. The government could enter a gun store every day simply to harass them out of business.

1988: Marion P. Hammer, who would be NRA president from 1995-1998, spearheaded the Eddie Eagle GunSafe program with a task force made up of educators, school administrators, curriculum specialists, urban housing safety officials, clinical psychologists, law-enforcement officials and NRA firearm safety experts. Since then, it has reached more than 31 million children in all 50 states, Canada and Puerto Rico.

1994: Since 1994, the number of states that have range-protection laws has risen from eight to 48 thanks to lobbying from NRA-ILA. Gun-control activists have often tried to diminish our rights by trying to ban shooting ranges. Without ranges, responsible firearm owners have very little opportunity to shoot or to introduce others to shooting sports. When it was clear that those who despise the Second Amendment had targeted ranges with nuisance lawsuits and local “zoning” ordinances, the NRA began promoting range-protection laws. These laws are especially useful for established ranges, as they prevent local governments from forcing them to close down because they cannot comply with new noise ordinances or construction requirements that are put in place years (and sometimes decades) after the range was established in compliance with local zoning laws
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1996: Since 2002, the National Institutes of Health (NIH) has spent nearly $5 million on “research” designed to push gun control—even though their counterparts at the CDC have been prevented from funding similar studies since being blocked in 1996 by an NRA-backed provision.

2000: The NRA helped secure the White House victory for George W. Bush. In 2000, Al Gore made restricting your right to keep and bear arms a major part of his campaign platform. The NRA rallied members by letting American voters know what Gore would do; as a result, Gore lost his own state and, with it, the election.

2004: The NRA opposed renewal of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban of 1994. The ban expired on Sept. 13, 2004.

2005: President George W. Bush signed the NRA-backed Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA), which prevents firearms manufacturers and dealers from being held liable for negligence when crimes have been committed with their products. The PLCAA saved the American firearms industry from certain bankruptcy and elimination by passing lawsuit protection. Keep in mind that the anti-gun groups were suing America’s manufacturers every time a criminal unlawfully used a firearm. This was burying the industry in legal fees and insurance problems, leading to possible bankruptcy for American gun makers.

2005: The NRA helped enact the nation’s first Stand-Your-Ground law in Florida. Today, 27 states have Stand-Your-Ground laws, and another seven states have Stand-Your-Ground laws in practice, either through case law, precedent or via jury instructions.

2005: During and just after Hurricane Katrina, local government officials in New Orleans took guns from law-abiding people, leaving them defenseless in the chaos and darkness. The NRA moved to stop this from ever happening again. Since Katrina, the NRA has worked to pass such protections in 33 states. In 2006, Congress passed the Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act to prevent the government from seizing legally-owned firearms during times of a declared state of emergency.

2005: The NRA and other gun advocates filed a lawsuit challenging San Francisco Proposition H, which banned the ownership and sales of firearms. The NRA argued that the proposition overstepped local government authority and intruded into an area regulated by the state. The San Francisco County Superior Court agreed with the NRA position. The city appealed the court’s ruling, but lost a 2008 appeal.

2008: San Francisco was forced to pay a $380,000 settlement to the NRA and other plaintiffs to cover the costs of litigating Proposition H.

2008: The NRA filed a friend-of-the-court brief with the U.S. Supreme Court in the 2008 landmark gun-rights case District of Columbia v. Heller. In a 5-4 vote, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the District of Columbia’s gun laws were unconstitutional, and for the first time held that an individual’s right to a gun was unconnected to service in a militia. Some legal scholars believe the NRA was influential in altering the public’s interpretation of the Second Amendment, providing the foundation for the majority’s opinion in Heller.

2009: The NRA again filed suit (Guy Montag Doe v. San Francisco Housing Authority) in the city of San Francisco challenging the city’s ban of guns in public housing. On
Jan. 14, 2009, the San Francisco Housing Authority (SFHA) reached a settlement with the NRA, which allows residents to possess legal firearms within a SFHA apartment building.

2009: NRA-ILA successfully legalized the carrying of firearms for self-defense in national parks and fish and wildlife refuges; however, land managed by the Army Corps of Engineers was not included in this legislation. NRA-ILA is lobbying for the right to carry on the Army Corps’ 13 million acres.

2009: NRA-ILA worked to preserve the opportunity for American gun owners to purchase surplus firearms that were no longer of use to the U.S. military. This included M-1 Carbines, M-1 Garand rifles, M-14 rifles, .22-caliber rifles, .30-caliber rifles and M-1911 pistols. Starting in 1979, different versions of this measure’s language have prevented these firearms from being needlessly destroyed. In 2009, Congress amended this language, at the urging of NRA-ILA, to prevent the destruction of spent brass casings. This is especially important to gun owners and reloaders concerned about the rising price of ammunition.

2010: The NRA sued the city of Chicago, Ill., (McDonald v. Chicago), and the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that, like other substantive rights, the right to bear arms is incorporated via the Fourteenth Amendment to the Bill of Rights, and therefore applies to the states.

2013: The NRA joined a federal lawsuit with other gun-rights groups challenging New York’s gun-control law (the NY SAFE Act), arguing that N.Y. Gov. Andrew Cuomo “usurped the legislative and democratic process” in passing the law, which included restrictions on magazine capacity and expanded the state’s “assault weapons” ban.

2013: The Obama administration instituted “Operation Choke Point,” in which various federal regulators, including the U.S. Department of Justice, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation and the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency at the Treasury Department, used their ratings and enforcement authorities to intimidate banks into refusing or severing business relationships with lawful, though politically disfavored, industries, including those involving firearms and ammunition. NRA-ILA exposed this unfair attack on the legitimate relationship America’s gun makers and dealers have with financial institutions. Thanks to NRA-ILA lobbying, under President Donald J. Trump, this operation was formally axed.

2014: The NRA lobbied and saw a bill in Pennsylvania passed that grants it and other advocacy groups legal standing to sue municipalities with local firearm regulations violating state laws preempting such regulations, and also allows the court to force cities to pay their legal fees. As soon as it became law, the NRA sued three cities: Philadelphia, Pittsburgh and Lancaster.

2015: The NRA began lobbying aggressively for “National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity” laws. In 2015, numerous right-to-carry bills were introduced in the U.S. House of Representatives and one in the U.S. Senate. While all the bills are slightly different, NRA supported them all. The NRA is still working to achieve this important goal.

2016: Following the terrorist attack in Orlando, Fla., on June 12, 2016, U.S. Sen. Chris Murphy (D-CT) took to the Senate floor to filibuster the Commerce-Science-Justice Appropriations bill to talk about gun control. During his filibuster, Sen. Murphy demanded a vote on an amendment to prohibit individuals on the Terrorist Watch List from purchasing a firearm as well as a vote on an amendment to implement a “universal” background check system. The NRA opposed this amendment and it failed overwhelmingly.

2016: The NRA’s Political Victory Fund raised a record $366 million to fight for your freedom. The NRA also maintains a PAC that is separate from these figures. The organization donated to congressional races for both Republicans (223) and Democrats (9). The NRA also endorsed Donald J. Trump in the 2016 U.S. presidential election after Hillary Clinton made it clear she wanted to take away much of this American freedom. In the 2016 presidential election, the NRA reported spending more than $60 million in support of Trump.

2017: Rep. Jeff Duncan (R-S.C.) introduced the NRA-ILA-backed Hearing Protection Act (HPA) of 2017. This bill would remove sound suppressors from regulation under the National Firearms Act (NFA), leaving them to be treated as ordinary firearms subject to the usual National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) check and Form 4473 for dealer sales. Also in 2017, Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) introduced similar legislation in the U.S. Senate.

2017: Rep. Morgan Griffith (R-Va.) introduced NRA-ILA-backed H.R. 358, a bill to more comprehensively address the interstate transportation of firearms and ammunition. Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) introduced the Senate companion bill.

2017: President Trump signed the NRA-backed National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) Conference Report for Fiscal Year 2018 into law. This law includes a provision that directs the Secretary of Army to transfer surplus 1911 .45 ACP pistols to the Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP). As of November 16, 2018, CMP has received 8,000 surplus 1911s and is in the process of administering a random lottery auction for qualified applicants; the auction date has not been scheduled. The transfer of these historically-significant firearms eases the burden on the government’s heavily indebted balance sheet, in addition to allowing the CMP to keep revenues from the 1911 sales, ensuring CMP funding for the future.

2017-2018: NRA-ILA supported President Trump’s U.S. Supreme Court nominations and the confirmations of Justices Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch.

2018: U.S. Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) introduced the Veterans’ Second Amendment Protection Act of 2018. This bill would require the government to prove that a veteran is a danger to self or others before the Department of Veterans Affairs can report a veteran’s name to the U.S. Department of Justice for placement in the NICS.

2018: On March 14, 2018, the U.S. House of Representatives passed the “STOP School Violence Act of 2018,” sponsored by Rep. John Rutherford (R-Fla.) by a vote of 407-10; Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) introduced a companion bill in the U.S. Senate. This legislation provides funding for training students, teachers, school administrators and local law enforcement to identify early warning signs that a person is a threat to themselves or others. The bill also provides funds to implement school threat-assessment procedures and create a coordinated violence-prevention reporting system. This legislation was included in the Omnibus Appropriations Act of 2018 and signed into law by President Trump on March 23, 2018.

2019: The New York State Rifle & Pistol Association (NYSRPA) filed its main brief in the U.S. Supreme Court case NYSRPA, et al. v. the City of New York and the New York City Police Department-License Division. The NRA-supported case challenges a New York City ordinance that violates the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding New York City residents by restricting lawful travel with firearms outside of city limits.

2019: The NRA is again suing the city of San Francisco, this time for officially deeming the NRA to be a “domestic terrorist organization” and for attacking the First Amendment-protected right to freely associate. This resolution from the San Francisco Board of Supervisors says “the City and County of San Francisco should take every reasonable step to limit those entities who do business with the City and County of San Francisco from doing business with this domestic terrorist organization.” The NRA’s lawsuit pointed out that the San Francisco Board of Supervisors’ declaration discriminates against people “based on the viewpoint of their political speech.”

2019: As a result of backing President Donald J. Trump, we now have a solid pro-Second Amendment majority on the Supreme Court with the addition of Justices Kavanaugh and Gorsuch. President Trump has also filled the lower courts with 150 judges and counting.
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Since 1990: The NRA helped pass shall-issue carry laws and constitutional-carry laws across America, enabling Americans to lawfully carry firearms for personal protection in almost every state.
A lot has been achieved in just the last 30 years:
1990: Just 16 states allowed for concealed carry with or without a permit; today, 42 states have either unrestricted concealed carry or are shall-issue states.
1990: Just one state allowed concealed carry without a permit; today, 16 states allow concealed carry without a permit.
1990: Fifteen states had shall-issue policies; today, 26 states have shall-issue policies for concealed carry.
1990: Twenty states had may-issue policies for a concealed-carry permit that gave law-enforcement discretion in the awarding of licenses; today, there are only eight may-issue states.
• The number of states that do not allow concealed carry fell from 14 in 1990 to zero in 2019.
• Through the NRA’s efforts, 34 states now have a no-retreat requirement before a person may exercise their right to lawful self-defense.
• Outright recognition is always the NRA’s goal, and 21 states now recognize permits issued by other states.

Wolfie, you ever heard of Marion Hammer?

....sounds vaguely familiar

Thank you

She is a past President of the NRA and is credited with influencing many of Florida's gun laws, including the 2005 Stand your ground law which then spread to many other states.

She also developed the Eddie Eagle Gun Safe program for kids.

And that's just a partial rundown. Just about every law that's been changed in many states have been backed by, or by an NRA backed politician/judge.

I've said it before......if Trump said "I'll let you keep your single shot .22s", and Biden said "I'm gonna take all your guns", most Republicans would still support trump (or whoever the Republican is, for that matter), and mumble something about the lesser of two evils.

I really can't think of a more important or pressing issue than firearms rights. Without it you soon won't have any other rights.

Not sure how that matters what have you done by yourself?

" In fact, if your state has enjoyed Right to Carry prior to the 2022 SCOTUS Bruen decision, you can thank Marion P. Hammer for being the driving force in successfully knocking over that first domino in Florida in 1987. It wasn’t long before dozens of other states looked upon her lobbying efforts as a model for Right to Carry. Today, all 50 states enjoy some form of right-to-carry status."

Grandpaw that's the typical response. Well your a Biden supporter/ my guy it better than....

The problem is when everyone wants to over look Trumps and the NRA shortcomings and makes excuses for them. Then it well he is better then the other guy or they are the only reason we have got guns at all.

If your not even willing to admit Trump's problems. I mean leave the guns out of it he was so dumb to mouth off about McCain being a pow. A draft dodger mouthing off about a POW. Talk about hime being a rino sure that's fair game. But talking about his military service and being a pow when he never served. That was a very poor decision. He has to big a mouth a lot of the time.

The problem with guys like you when it comes to politics is you don't realize the approach of all or nothing approach gets you NOTHING.

Take the 1986 gun law y'all throw out that the NRA supported that banned NEW fully automatic weapons.

You completely overlook the other laws it eliminated that affected 99.9% of gun owners and FFL dealers. You don't mention the provision to ban new sales of automatic weapons
Was an amendment put forth by a democrat at the last minute and is very doubtful it was supported by the NRA.

There is information at Subguns.com on this issue of how it came into law.

So who’s your perfect guy that we can all feel safer under to choose from that has any chance to win? LOL Why do the people with a nonexistent option talk so holier than tho. I slept better with Trump than I ever did with Obummer just a fact.

Say anything negative and auto now your a basher. Maybe it's that I was a big NRA guy at one time. Believeed Charlton Heston it's from my cold dead hands organisation. Wore that hats carried the bags put the sticker on my truck. BUT then I got educated after I saw directly how they did anti gun things. Then I looked back and was like wow never would have believed that. But there it is. The absolute worst gun control policies to pass had full NR A support.

But look over here they did this and the education and training and and and . Yes that do some good and the training is positive. Got to have something to show to keep the money rolling in and keep the funds happy.


Hey I get it you support gun control as long as it is what you think needs controlled. As long as your group says it's ok your all for it.

You have a problem with people there point out facts. I figure there are many like I was and don't know the NRA supported the 1934 gun control act or the 68 or the 86 hues amendment or the back ground check system. And you don't want them to know about it either.

You like it and are ok with it. You think we'll it's ok because they did this. It's not and I'm not. How long tell they support more and it's something you like. Maybe them you won't want to turn a blind eye

Just like saying anything negative about TRUMP. Now I'm automaticly a Democrat and Biden supporter. No I voted for Trump In the First primary and two presidential elections dorve other to the polls to do the same and think he is the best president of my lifetime.

BUT he is not pro gun or pro constitution. He has to big an ego and could get much farther if he knew the difference between when it's effective to mouth off and send a tweet and when there is nothing to gain and it's better to keep his mouth shut..

I guess maybe I'm just not a lock step lemming and can admit when my guy fails in areas. Others choose to give them a pass over look it and worse make excuses and attack those that do call them out on it.

There were a lot of Germans in the 30s. That went along also and never questioned.

Here Providence, now you can bash the framers of the second amendment every time their name is mentioned.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...nd-madison-banned-guns-on-campus/481461/

And you don't realize compromise always looses something and you never get it back. All gun laws are Illegal. No need to compromise anything.

Like I said, you don't understand politics.

Even Pelosi when she had both chambers had to compromise (within her own party) to get Obama care thru. Its just how politics works.

I'm glad you are willing to give up my kids rights in the name of compromise. I'm not willing to give up your kids right though.

Ill take that as you're whipped when presented with facts.

PS,

Your shooting at the messenger. Its just a fact of life.

Nice fact.

Whatever makes you feel better. The NRA is not what they claim they support gun control. The funds eat it up.

Trump is not pro gun or pro constitution. " Take the guns first due process later" is not a man that understands or believes in freedom or the constitution.

You are wanting to avoid the facts. Your anti gun and trying to justify it to yourself.

You are ok with selling out my rights, I understand that. Many are just like you. It's how we got to where we are today with so many gun laws on the book.

Now excuse me I have to wipe down the guns the boys and I just got back from shooting clays and picking up some traps from a member here. Then we are going to go out and set said traps.

oh, that is RICH coming from you...

I said something negative about the politics that unions support, and you accused me of hating on the working man.

Pot to Kettle: "You're BLACK!"

More Lefty snowflake never trumpers in here than I even thought.Oh look,,Trump did mean tweets.LOLOL

And what does your buddy Biden sound like? Hahahaaaaa All you FAKE conservatives kill me.

I promise you Danny didn't vote for Biden nor will he.

He has concerns about Trump. I do as well. Doesn't mean either one of us won't be voting for him. Sheesh.

^^^^^ Then why flap his pie hole.All I ever hear is Trump bashing,,when he did more for this country than anyone in decades.Gets old.someone says anything good about Trump,,and its "Trump Worshiping" What a crock.Is Trump perfect,,NO WAY,,,will I vote for him for the third time YOU BET.

Upstate what's wrong you sound like a triggered Democrat!! Making thing up like Danny is a Biden supporter because he says what Trump has done and said. It's not like he has to make things up. I'm the only one that brought up a tweet and it was because it was a brain dead thing to do going after McCain because he was a POW. He had plenty to go after McCain about but to be so ingorant as to be a draft dodger and say a single word about a man that saw action and was captured was beyond stupid. It gained him nothing but cost him respect from a lot of people.
There was plenty to go after with his political record.

McCain P.O.S. There,,I fixed it for you.

I think Danny is about as far from a leftist snowflake as you can get.

I didn't like him at all yet he served fought and was captured. That is much more than I have done and more than Trump with his bone spurs daddys money got him out of serving with.

You seem to be so emotionally invested you can't see the difference between going after a POS rino about the POS thing he has done vs going after him because he was more of a man than you and served his country and was captured. Big difference.

I can't wait to vot for Trump again but the man is his own worst enemy sometimes.

"Take the guns first due process later" bump stock ban. Doesn't like the idea of suppressors are they next.?

Yeah and isn't upstate a union fella?

Yep! Now he is attacking his union brother from another mother.

And that has to do with what?I made my living working 40 years in the steelworkers Union,,and always voted Republican.So whats your point?You realy wanna go there with me?

Some criticizes trump.....= lefty snow flake.......mmmmmkay see this type of stuff is why I can't take a large majority of political people seriously. Eat your own at your finest .Conversation just ends up into a childish back and forth with 5th grade name calling snowflake trump tard rat ect honestly it's a bad look for your given party....
But I'm a dirty trump hater or something like that so what ever

you know, this thread started OUT as a nod to Trump for supporting the 2nd Amendment...

perhaps not as ardently as some would prefer.

but (as always) it devolved into a "I'm Holier than Thou" CrapFest...eating our own, so to speak.

Sad.

This was in response to Wolfies post.^^^^^ But say anything good about Trump and your a "Trump Worshiper".Prove me wrong.

It's odd how people with common interests can be so divided and combative. No wonder our country is going to pot. Whether we like it or not.

But they don’t have a better option is what I don’t think is credible. If one guy will chop off a finger and the other guy will chop off your hand you would make a decision pretty quickly .

WOLFIE: Critize trump = snowflake: no good -- Say something good about Trump = "Trump Worshiper" : OK - That's pretty much what I see in here.

LOL,,If we have to wait for the PERFECT candidate I guess all our thumbs will get sore holding them where the sun don't shine.TRUMP "2024"

1. I never said if you said anything good about him your a trump worshiper
2. I never said calling someone either or was good
3. Are there people who are complete snowflake idiots or trump worshiping smooth brains yes but just because you like or criticize someone doesn't sling you into the far side of either side of the isle this making you either or.
4. I could write a few paragraphs doing over my thoughts in detail but I'm no in the mood to getting my words spun around by people who are dead set in their thoughts and will think what they want regardless so

OK,,,lets go fishing.I bet we would have a ball

While we all seem to share some commonality...trapping/ fur harvesting etc., For some people, that all goes out the window if others don't think exactly as they do. Support, join or donate to whatever you want, I don't care. And, by the same token, you shouldn't care what I support or join.

I sure hope we never get to a point when we might have to depend on one another. That might be a gloomy day.

there aren't NEAR enough "Absolutists" to do diddly squat, danny.

the sooner you realize that, the sooner we can make real progress...one step at a time!

Good points. Yes this thread was about Trump being pro gun and showing it because he went ant talked with and at an NRA event. O boy. Lost more gun rights under Trump backed by the NRA than under 8 years of Obama and 3 of Biden. Guess we should get really excited trump is giving lip service to the NRA


It would have made my day back when I thought the NRA and Trump were pro gun. But they have both shown that are not an like gun restrictions.

Guess we shouldn't point out its nothing to get excited about but that hurts some people feelings. Must be a left leaning Trump hating democrat because you don't like the gun restrictions from our guys.

But If it was done under Democrats it would not be ok then.

Come to think of it other than the assault weapons ban Clinton signed in 94? I think all the major passed gun restrictions have been under Republicans and backed by the NRA.

But it's ok because it is our guys in the name of compromise right. Seems like the best thing for gun rights is the opposite of what the NRA and republicans push. Not that Democrats don't want us completely disarmed because they due but the biggest passes under Republicans. It's almost like both side want us disarmed but play like they fight about it.

links to what you're putting out?

I'll give you bump stocks. big deal. yes, a [small] step in the wrong direction.

but, C'mon, man!

It was also Clinton that got the back door gun owner registry

P.S. if compromise works why are we still having to defend our right to self defense and arms?

I could ask you the same question about absolutism....

why are we still fighting for our rights, if your way works?

Because compromise on your rights does not work. The more you lose the more government wants. Our country was founded on the idea that government would govern with the consent of the governed. Do you believe we have that today?

Those in power always want more.

Who was president in 86. R. Or D? Who was when the NFA was created in 34 how about in 68.

it's pretty obvious that your (and I'm with you!) way doesn't have enough support to do squat.

Has GOA "Restored" our Rights?

Lament it all you like...it's reality.

Who is running NOW?

neither does Absolutism.

I was talking about Trump being weak on civil rights and the NRA being a scam like PETA.

You still have rights even if the government today does not recognize them. King George didn't recognize the right of the colonies to declare independence either.

what good is a Right, if you're thrown in prison for exercising it?

Yep. Thats the dilemma our ancestors faced.

You asked about more gun control passing under Republicans. Or at least I thought that's what you asked so I backed it up with the biggest restrictions in the last ,100 years. Now I didn't give the answer and make it easy instead asked it in a ? So you had to do some work. Then you go back to who is running no with no other comments.

Who is running now a crook that been in politics his whole life and the best president I have had in my lifetime.
But just because he has been great on many issues dose not mean I give him a pass or make excuses for h being anti gun and not knowing when to keep his mouth shut if it's not going to have a benefit. I tried to show that with McCain as an example because I thought it was an easy and apparent. The guy was a useless POS there was plenty to go after about but NOT his POW stats. That was dumb

How about mouthing off to every want to be nobody. He was the President he is not required to respond to looses that just gives them the attention that are seeking and makes them look important and makes their platform larger. It's best to not even notice the small ankle biter and move on unless there is something to be gained. Why wast the effort and time. For Trump it's his ego.

I look at Trump as a tool. A tool to stop the liberals.
Is he the perfect tool for that job? Obviously not.
But where is the perfect tool for this job? Doesn’t exist.
At least not one that is running for President.
So where is the use in complaining about the tool (Trump)?
Or on the opposite side saying the tool (Trump) is the best for the job.
Either of those is wrong.
We just gotta use the tool we have for now (Trump). Because at this moment it’s the only tool we have unfortunately.
And look for a better tool for the job going forward.
Just my view from my mountain in WV.

Most of us have a lot of different tools. No body is willing to use them for what they are for.

What that has to do with, is that you ought to be used to people insinuating your are a liberal/support liberals due to your support of unions. But you just pointed out that you don't support liberals? Ever occur to you that someone can not like the NRA, or not even be Trump's number one fan.... but yet not be a liberal?

As Lugnut referred to, the NRA sponsoring the Great American Outdoor Show, the largest show of its kind in the World, is a BIG deal. Thank you NRA for taking over it when it looked like the show was doomed. No other organization was willing to do it. Plus, the exposure of Trump speaking there can only help the gun owners cause and the protection of the Second. Amendment.

I concur. I don't particularly like Trump as a person, but we are not voting for Calumet High School Student Body President (Red Dawn reference for those playing at home). It is not a popularity contest.
What he was able to get done in spite of all of the Democrats and half of the Republicans out to nail his hide on a barn wall for no reason whatsoever for his entire term, is absolutely amazing to me. When you are right, you are right, regardless of your personality.
I can not wait for him to get back in office. If he gets cheated out of this one, that will be fine too. As I have been saying for a very long time, things need to get a lot worse before they can get better. Another stolen election ought to just about do it. Keep your powder dry boys.

Yotetrapper30: You don't have to be "Trumps number one fan" or a "Trump Worshiper" to realize he is the best thing to happen to this country in decades.Yet,,I see that crap all the time from those that call themselves conservatives.If you don't see that too,,take your blinders off.Also,my support of Union Workers,,has nothing to do with my opinion of Unions in general.

I'd like to have those peoples paychecks that bash Trumps presidency yet will still vote for Biden.

Actually, you said more lost under Trump with the NRA, not Republicans. He gave you the bump stock. Got any other you can site? That was lost?

I like Trump and plan to vote for him. That said, he is still not conservative enough for me. Out of the choices we have he is the best, but there could definitely be better, more conservative candidates than him.

Which of the two candidates is running on their record of fiscal conservatism?

That there is funny. Fiscal conservatism, ha. That will be the day.

I wish I could blame Trump's fiscal spending entirely on Covid but sadly Gov't spending was increasing under Trump long before Covid hit.

I heard he has a hang nail too.

take a wild guess on how many votes a real fiscal conservative would get...[hint: not many]

listen, I don't like it either. but we are most definitely a small minority. too small to make much of a difference...obviously!

None of the haters even tried to discuss the positives that were posted, that says alot to me so Wolfy, take note of this for the next time this issue comes up and you're wondering why we don't post any positives for the 50th time to be ignored.

Apparently, you, me, white and steve. 4

I won't because any one of the negative anti gun things the NRA has supported the biggest worst gun control to pass in the last 100 years is not off set by the small things they " fought for and got changed". Hmmm. Like maybe if they didn't support the big anti gun things the small things would not have had a chance to pass so they wouldn't have needed to fight to get them changed back. But thinking beyond hey look they got this all this fixed is just to much. Thinking is hard after all.

I pretty much addressed you on the only thing I see you hold the NRA for a couple pages back, the 1986 gun protection act which you ignored but brought back up later.

Right in the middle of our conversation, crickets.

I truly doubt you know what all was in that law.

Exactly.

They ignore the hundreds of positive things the NRA has done over the decades, some of which were very significant in advancing gun rights in the US.

But they'll jump on every thread where the NRA is mentioned and spew their negative crap for the thousandth time.

Becuer there was not a single thing that was worth that trade off . There is not a thing to say more about it. But you like training off rights on things you don't like or care about to think you are gaining in areas you approve.
Go back further how about 68 or 34 NRA support there also not just in 86. O look at the we traded or compromise in 86 so it's ok. Ya genius if they hadd not supported the 68 and 34 the stuff that got passed after would not likely have and would not have been on the book to trade off our right to buy new machine guns.

One compromise leads to more compromise. You loose more each time. Rights are not there to be traded off a piece at a time.

I guess you just have to be spoon feed like most people you can't figure it out on your own

Doesn't mean the NRA supported the last minute amendment.

You must be young if you think we have it worse now than in the 60's-70's as far as buying guns and ammo.

I remember signing to buy .22 shells..

3 day wait on guns.

I think you figured out the problem. The NRA changed in the 80's

"A description of the background and development of the NRA notes NRA support for moderate measures of gun control in the 1950's and the 1960's; however, in the 1970's, the NRA began to notice that legislation which it had earlier supported had failed to curb crime or impair criminal access to firearms, while it was adversely affecting the firearms freedoms of the law-abiding citizen. In 1977, after a purge of the leadership by the life members, the NRA Board of Directors officially agreed to oppose increasingly restrictive gun legislation. The NRA established a lobbying arm in 1975, with the formation, at the behest of the membership, of the Institute for Legislative Action, followed in 1976 by the formation of a political action committee, the NRA Political Victory Fund."

Source: Department of Justice

Gun owners in the US are a lot better off now than we were fifty years ago thanks primarily to the NRA.



Somebody does.

Probably depends on your state on the rules you had to follow. You must be old if you think 43 is young. It's more middle age. But of course your older you think the NRA is pro gun and trading off rights is a good thing.

But whatever the bad things you old farts remember I would not have been on the books if the people before you and the big bad NRA didn't support the anti gun legislation passed prior . You know the guys you would think we're old or think you were young way back when you were 40.


They support it period. All of it it's on record they support gun control they are not a no compromise from my cold dead hands organisation never have been never will be. They have some good training programs and education. But will gladly sell anything out if they think it not popular or profitable. If all the gun laws could be repealed today they wouldn't support it because that their cash cow. Many NFA guys wouldn't either because they like the restrictions on things they don't want or see the need for.

They wouldn't have been in the shape they were 50 years ago if not for the NRA support for gun control in 34 and 68 but I guess you can only look in your life time.

I dont know where you lived hippie but when I was about 11 I bought a money order at the post office. Mailed it to Sears and about 3 weeks later the postman brought me my new shotgun.

And that's is a wrap...

Today you have to go through a dealer. Pay him a fee. Have a form put on file. Get a background check. Have another purchase logged into the gun owner registry.

in '68, we were dam lucky that's all we lost.

on the heels of 'two' Presidential assassinations (Bobby WOULD have been President) and the other political assassinations of the time; the ONLY thing that kept firearms legal was the political clout that the NRA wielded.

you weren't even born then...don't tell those of us who WERE alive what it was like. You have NO CLUE!

Ya Danny but we have never had it so good and it's all thanks to the NRA. To heck with mail order from the Sears catalog.

Really reminds me of a battered woman. He only beats her because he loves her and it's all her fault anyway.

Well thanks for selling out my rights pops.

you're welcome that you have what you have.

Charlton Hesston was on TV telling people the new gun control act was a good idea.

Nobody I knew believed that the two Kennedy's would be alive if that law had been in place.

Reverend King either.

Hesston wasn't head of the NRA during that time...he was an actor.

completely irrelevant what you and a few buddies thought.

That’s your hill to die on? The fact that not just anyone can have a gun mailed to them in three days? You must not get out much, in my little village I’m glad the felons & troubled youth can’t order one when they need one for their next stunt I guess…. We don’t all live in Mayberry Opie…sad as that is. Our nations biggest issue that needs fixing isn’t mail order guns but lack of morals being taught by a two parent household. Solve that and a lot of the rest goes away.

I'm sure your proud of yourself and your NRA. To bad they sold your rights out in 34 and your ok with that also. .

I'm sure that spun it as a good thing and some how a win. It's always the same play over and over. We give this up but it's not as bad as it could have been.

Honestly I would be very embarrassed if I couldn't see the pattern and put it together. But many in your age group are not capable to look or even admit they were wrong or had been fooled.

I was wrong and had been fooled up to I'm my 30s thinking the NRA was pro gun. I found out different and learned and admit I was fooled. You will continue to make excuses attack anyone that points it out and expect different results. And you will continue to keep loosing your rights a piece at a time. Sure you will get a small win now and then so you will send more money and can stick your chest out and feel like you won. Even if you have gone backwards 2 miles in your life to your 1/4 mile forward.

Be sure to send in some extra money to pay for the fancy NRA party.

tell me PF...why don't you earn what your company's CEO makes?

seems to me, that would be a no compromise position to take.

If you don't like that,,what are YOU doing about it?

Classic I can't come up with anything on topic so try to change the direction and topic to unrelated things.

There were no rights to sell in 1934, 1968, or 1986.

"Many are startled to learn that the U.S. Supreme Court didn’t rule that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual’s right to own a gun until 2008, when District of Columbia v. Heller struck down the capital’s law effectively banning handguns in the home. In fact, every other time the court had ruled previously, it had ruled otherwise."

Source: Brennan Center for Justice

The NRA created this right.

oh, it's related! I'd bet money your Union didn't get EVERYTHING they asked for when the contract negotiations first opened up, did they?

In his earlier years, Heston was a Liberal and then became very Conservative. People do change.

Well he is not saying the pro gun group that sold those rights off i over and over is the group to send money to and hope it will be different or better next time. Doing the same thing repetitively and expecting different results used to be the definition of insanity. But the way things have been flipped these days it's probably considered genius.

Actually white marlin. They got everything the members wanted or said was important. Our health insurance cost and coverage stayed the same, we got our 30 aand out lined out on paper there had been up in the air since we were sold. We not only keep it but got pension increase and a 17% pay raise over the course of the contract. Also everyone will get their added vacation time a year sooner than they would have. They probably asked for more but got more than the membership was hoping for.

Again that has nothing to do with selling out rights. Rights are not negotiable your born with them and they can not be taken away. They were given to you by your Creator. Try as hard as you want labor negotiation is not the same thing not even close.

so, you can still buy a machine gun without a tax stamp?

no? that PROVES you are wrong about your "rights". in THEORY you would be correct. in PRACTICE...not so much.

Rights can and WILL be taken away! if you don't possess enough political power, you WILL lose your "rights". it is a PROVEN fact.

you can cry, stomp your feet and plug your ears all you want, but it doesn't change that REALITY.

btw...you're admitting your Union compromised....why is that okay, Mr. Absolutism? [I'll bet the answer is: they got what they COULD.]...it's no different in politics.

Coming from a guy that wont even tell what he does for a living.Hahahaaaa What flavor is the Gubment cheese this month

I've told you...I'm retired after a 35 plus year career.

prove me wrong, or shut yer trap...