School shooting Perry Iowa

WTH is wrong with people!
This pretty much never happened when I was in school

SAD!

It’s amazing I graduated in 1982 class of 42 kids . There were guns in cars and trucks everyday and never was there an incident other than a fist fight usually involving a gal but after they determined who was a bigger dog that was the end of it , just don’t understand the non respect for life

We kept guns in our lockers if we hunted our way to school in the morning.

There were always fights, in school ,around school, off the school grounds… at field parties, outside bars. Never saw anything other than fists and at times a good bit of blood. Could have walked over and grabbed a weapon, even when well thumped it wasn’t even considered.

Osky

Yup

Almost too obvious, I never bought into these shooters being any more than attention starved wackos, but if I were a conspiracy theorist this one would have been predictable timing wise.

I find it interesting that Vivek was scheduled to speak at a rally in the same town this morning. Probably unrelated but you never know what motivates these whack jobs.

It was like that when I was in school too.

We weren't raised laying on the couch playing violent video games 24/7 Schools handed out discipline and if your parents got called it was handed out again You learned fast the last thing you wanted was attention it was called growing up

Two boys want to find out who can whip who now the sheriff is called and usually criminal charges filed. I think bullying is part of the problem.

Crazeeee's all around.

Many people today believe they may do anything they like, even if it negatively impacts others, and will never be held accountable for what they do. They cannot comprehend consequences....so they get very bitter if they receive any.

I guess I was driving too slow the other night going to the hospital to visit the wife. Driving down a residential area and a car comes on me honking his horn again and again so I thought I better pull over for what ever reason. I start to pull over and the car flies by me and down comes his window and flips me the bird. What is
wrong with people? high or just the mentally now a days. Or maybe looking for a reaction from the person to give them a reason to start something.

Its them white boys making all the trouble.

Just the beginning with all the unvetted immigrants

Video games.... I'll go to my grave saying that. Parents use them for baby sitters and no regards for life. Kids just hit reset when they get killed.

Exactly

I'm just going to come out & say it...Several of these school shootings are orchestrated by shadow entities.

The ones that were truly kids acting by themselves have been almost all satan worshippers....The media knows about this, but will never report on that connection.

What shadow entities?

And how do you know the others were satan worshippers?

Well, I doubt they were God fearing church goers.

I couldn't agree more. Seeing someone get killed in a video game or in a movie has conditioned folks to this mess. I remember seeing a same sex kiss on TV years ago and was taken aback by it. 10 - 15 years later, I don't know that I even notice it anymore with all the boundaries that have been pushed day after day after day over time.

Well, I doubt they were God fearing church goers. [/quote]

Sure, but that doesn't automatically mean they were bowing down before a goat statue or being told what to do by "shadow entities", either.

I don't think it's as simple as just one thing being the cause of school shootings. It can be sometimes, but overall our society is morally breaking down. People turn away from God, the nuclear family continues to break down, and children are told that they are right no matter what and don't have to answer for their actions. To have many modern conveniences, both parents (if both are around) have to work, and we leave our children to be raised by other people that teach them who knows what. People have become so materialistic and put all their concentration into social media, expensive homes, and expensive cars instead of focusing on what is best for the future of both them and their children. And we continue to celebrate mental illness. People are praised for being whack jobs now. It's a wonder that we don't have even more school shootings.

Two kids were local on the national news 20 yrs apart, and admitted satan worshippers, same with Dylan Kliebold and the Colorado shooters, there are many more....Shadow entities....Not going there Loosegoose, but study these shootings, your smart, it's there if you delve into it.

I looked it up to see the details.

Well at the crux of it either you are God fearing or in the service of satan whether one consciously worships or not.

What's interesting is the majority of these kids have democrat parents.

how do you know?

Identified as gender fluid. Obviously this individual had mental health issues. This shooter doesn't support the narrative so it will be memoryholed quickly.

Look it up , from Colorado and Sandyhook on down.
Even the mass shootings are 0ver 70% democrats !

I hav e not keep up with it but at one time most of the shooters had odd links to government doctors. They also had top end guns and optics. Not stuff a new kid to shooting picks up. They also had a very similar looked to then through their eyes. And on meds.

They seamed to happen at times that were convenient to push an agenda.

But I have not bothered looking into any details of the shooting in years now.

Epstein documents released yesterday, coincidence?

https://x.com/simonateba/status/1742978856775213225?s=20

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12927213/Suspected-Iowa-school-shooter-Butler.html

This one happened 17 miles from my door.
The facts so far: One sixth grader and the shooter dead. 5 others wounded, including one administrator, most likely the school principal. One victim is in critical but stable condition. but all are expected to survive.

yes, coincidence.

It's the fault of society and the parents . Parents want kids but they don't want to raise them They work 2 jobs and give them everything and the first time they get into something he's a good boy or she is a good girl it's the other guys kids leading them astray. They are raised to have respect for nothing or anything . Like on here right now most of the kids in trouble are democrat kids or something to that affect? please ! Everybody is pointing at everybody else.

And almost all , if not all , are customers of the " we medicate for money " business ......a very lucrative business

Glad the shooter is gone, and no one died

A student did die.

I just heard that on the radio, just now, too bad, I was hoping no one died

Instead of sending billions of dollars to foreign countries, why not spend the money to secure our schools. Train teachers that want to be a first line of defense instead of just another number. Secured deadly lethal force only accesseable by those that have been trained and are willing to save innocent lives. AI in security systems to recognize threats. Secured doors at all times and no one, absolutely no one enters unless buzzed in.
I know, it cost to much money. Apparently more than what a kids life is worth.
As I said, spend the money that goes overseas or all the money that is spent during the election circus and we could make a move in the right direction.
But politicians don't get rich from this.
A few lives lost, more support on both sides of the isle in the form of donations is what it basically boils down to.

I agree. They could use the money for mental health too.

I don't know why these POS can't just kill themselves without taking someone with them if they are so set on it.

Gun control advocates-ban ar(s)- gonna have a problem realizing that pistols and shotguns kill too. That will throw a wrench into their agenda.

I never heard what guns were used, so I'm sure it wasn't an AR 15. The media would find that more important than the kids that were killed and injured.

Reports say handgun and shotgun. Also, bomb located.

Roe vs Wade !!
( no respect for life?

No, they will just scream louder about banning more guns. They want them ALL gone, they just don't have the balls to tell you that up front.

If you watch the press brief video , they mention having psychologists/councillors inbedded in the school system already and are offering help to the students/staff for grief counselling.

Why were these resources not effective in preventing this event ?

How would they stop something like this?

I always thought that having psychological resources in a school system was to help and identify problem youth before it went totally out of control.

They said some of the kids were interviewed and said the 17 year old shooter was being bullied.
Back in my day we had kids that were bullied, but they never thought about doing anything about it.

I think some kids in today's society are cruel. I saw on the show, "See No Evil" where a girl was bullied in school and on the internet by some other girls. She got emails saying, "I wish you were dead", or "the world would be a better place if you weren't in it." She ended up killing herself eventually. True story.

They can identify problems and try to help, but that's about it. No way to really know what some nut job is going to do and stop it before it happens.

No consequences for violent behavior. If a kid bullies someone regularly they are classified as having anger issues and the school can't hold that child accountable for not having the ability to restrain themselves. If the kid who is bullied reacts and protects themselves then they're punished under the 0 tolerance policy, but the bully can't be punished cause they have issues. Also most schools with a 0 tolerance policy get increased funding if no bullying is reported at their school. If it's not reported then it doesn't happen and if it doesn't happen then there is no need for consequences. Follow the money.

Sad that it's come to this, but armed guards at all schools would be a start.
We have a few former military men on our firearms training team who are retired that said they would volunteer for the job.
Hire a few extra police officers specifically for this job in addition to some trained volunteers.
This show of force might help deter some of these lunatics.

it isn't uncommon to have 1 psychologist resource for a district of 600+ students

they spend very little if any time actually interacting with students , mostly reviewing the documentation of education plans for special needs kids or identified problem kids.

the kids have also figured out phycological bullying , they never lay a hand on them and know in exact detail what can and can't be proven as actual bullying so it is a Mind game driving the their prey nutz

that is no excuse for shooting up a place

but this stuff is happening so much that angry youth who could lash out would give you 5000 false positives to every actor of violence.

in the end the only fail safe that actually works is armed personnel at the school to end it seconds after it starts. that in it's self appears to also be the best deterrent.
when a high % are stopped in seconds the evens seem to slow down in number , much the same way when police solve and publicly show a very high % of murders are solved murders go down but when an area has a very low % of solved homicides the death continues.

Gun violence serves the political agenda, Money for prevention trickles down to nothing another cash cow Our High School locked the doors on the large parking lot side because the other side (main office) has the one camara but my granddaughter told me just go thru the bus garage its always open

You said a mouthful right there, and it's true...The left actually relishes these events because they can further their agenda. Proven by a disproportionate amount of coverage dedicated to gun control vs. the real issues around these school shootings.

One more thing, when we use terms like "gun violence" we are doing their bidding...Words matter, and you never hear about knife violence, baseball bat violence, etc.

This term is by design to demonize guns...Thug violence or defective human being violence would be more accurate, but can't be saying that because it has to be the guns fault.

when I was in HS smokers would duck out to catch a smoke , school locked the doors but fire code states you have to have every door accessible form inside ,, so they waved at someone passing the door who let them in or stuck a note book in the door so it stayed un latched that was >30 years ago

even at that doors mean nothing several shooters just shoot the glass out of the door and let themselves in up side it lets people know they are coming

people want to pay lip service to taking measures but unless your measures are cameras on every door that are actually monitored , barriers to buy time and then a response team to handle any situation and doors that will hold for more than a few seconds.

school shootings as much as you hear about them are actually very few some quick numbers tallied up there appear to be about 250K schools public , private preK through college even if we just go K-12 public and private your looking at around150K actual school events is actually very low.
https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=84

for 2022 the FBI reported in their annual report 61 active shooter events 4 of those took place in schools sort of 1 was a school bus being shot at while picking up students.
3 where at schools 2 had deaths the Uvalde shooting made for higher than normal deaths 23 people were killed in 2022 at education facilities other than Uvalde there were 2 deaths at a school in 2022 from active shooters.
https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/active-shooter-incidents-in-the-us-2022-042623.pdf/view

the average of student athlete sudden cardiac event deaths during a sport event or practice averages 55 a year in physician checked athletes with no prior condition.
https://newsroom.heart.org/news/nca...r-20-years-still-higher-in-some-athletes

2 events with deaths in hundreds of thousands of schools so you can see when it actually comes to spending budget dollars on the issue where it probably ranks after they pay it lip service

the police response absolutely changes deaths , if we kept 2 officers within 2 minutes of every school we would probably see this significantly decreased , easiest way to do that is make an office space for officers to do paperwork, make phone calls and file reports at as many schools as possible as well as always keeping a squad within a mile of the school handling traffic enforcement or as a school resource officer

locked doors , drills , training , all good things but all part of a plan not the whole plan and the data keeps telling us the alerting and response after the call is the most crucial in number of deaths.

The shooter was Dylan Butler, who was transgender. Statistically, transgender people are more likely to end up in prison than any other demographic, including African American males, because of mental issues from their terribly imbalanced hormone system.

https://www.sdlgbtn.com/the-high-rate-of-incarceration-among-transgender-people/

Keith

The people need to save themselves. A political party won't. Never have, never will.