10 Reasons to Assume we are Not Alone

Love this guy's channel. Very informative, and he has a way of dumbing down astro physics so everyone can understand. The wife hates his voice, but it doesn't bother me. It sure makes you think.

Didn't watch video. Too many galaxies out there for us to be the only life forms. Along with the incredible age of the overall universe, no way this hasn't happened elsewhere.

A while back they focused Hubble on a small dark seemingly empty portion of the universe. There were more galaxies in the dark area, basically than you could count.

Universe is massive, possibly beyond our comprehension in size and age.

I agree. I’m not nearly arrogant enough to believe we’re so important that this was created for us. Our planet is like a grain of sand on all of earth’s beaches in comparison to the enormity of space.

There are billions of planets in our galaxy. There are billions of galaxies. We know that there are planets out there similar to earth. Our universe is more vast than any of us can possibly fathom. Carbon based life forms like us are made of the most common elements in the known universe. There is zero possibility that we are alone.

The Total Perspective Vortex is all that is requiered...

Oh boy. If / when Mark finds your post Fin, you are going to sit in the corner with a dunce cap on for a loooong time

Your wife is right.That guys voice is annoying.

I don't even worry about such things.

I didn't find it distracting at all.

Life evolved on Earth very soon after it cooled and was semi hospitable, that suggest the formation of life is a reasonably simple process that should of been replicated elsewhere.

Hard to believe we have the only planet in the Universe with life on it.

I once saw a documentary on how life supposedly evolved from a single-cell organism to a multi-cell organism, which for many years evolutionary biologists couldn't understand how it could happen. Apparently there's some basic physical problems that would make it seemingly impossible. They explained it but I forget why they said it was nearly impossible The show was all about how they finally figured a way it could possibly happen if a cell had a hole in it's wall and another cell passed through that membrane - something like that. That could theoretically lead to the beginning of mult-celled organisms

Anyways... their conclusion was that given what we know about the magnitude of the universe, there is near certainty that there must be life somewhere outside our planet. But, they determined, the mathematical probability of that life being anything more complex than a single-celled organism is practically zero - zilch - never gonna happen a second time.

Fascinating stuff. There's lots of really smart people out there.

I don't believe the Bible says we're alone...

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So simple we can't turn a single cell organism into a two cell organism. I'd be curious of ur definition of simple.

Well if God made em, their out there.

Bible says God created the heavens and earth. It doesn't say he didn't create other planets that are similar. I would think that God created many.

I believe in Space aliens, there on capital hill!!

Zech 12:1 The burden of the word of the Lord for Israel, saith the Lord who stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.


I take that as meaning the world is still expanding and growing.

Hope you guys are taking your odds making on the road to Vegas and hitting it big on the craps table.

Considering he fabricobbled the whole lot together in the dark, who knows what else was put together. He clearly was no engineer, as an engineer would have come up with the light thing first so ya can see what one is doing.

Maybe simple is not the right word, repeatable maybe? If life formed it likely then died out and formed and died out etc until all conditions were right for life to form and replicate. The fact that happened so early on in the history if earth suggest it's not an extremely rare process.

Hahaha

I watched "Noah" recently and enjoyed this scene and I think it is applicable and will be enjoyed by a few of you.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FFCXHr8aKDk

I wonder if they're green or blue? Maybe orange? No wait, orange man bad. The black, white, brown, and yellow ones have already done been claimed by us earthlings.

First you'll have to convince me that life can come from non-life without divine intervention, and you'll never do that so the rest is meaningless.

LOL! I like your style, but...remember it was engineers who designed the Tower of Pisa and the Titanic.

Are some of the same people who will not place faith in what they can't prove beyond their shadow of doubt, now somehow claiming to have faith in what they can't see?
Well, that's a bit...
different.

But not really.
Even Abraham was a moon worshipper before God kaleo'd (called) him.
Careful looking up y'all!

Angels.

and just as importantly, the seeds of the father of all lies.

I believe the chances that there is other intelligent life somewhere in the universe is nill. Not impossible but almost so, so imperceptibly close to impossible but not. Just looking at the size of the universe is a major flaw in thinking. Taking into account the idea of an infinite timeline and know in any infinite time line everything is probable but yet at any single point in that same line almost everything Is impossible, the likelihood of some other intelligent life at this point or any point in the history of mankind is nill. IMHO.

(Yes I know the video touched on this topic)

Thanks for the share finster

I have read passages in the bible that mentions"this and other worlds". His word still stands true.

I'm still not convinced intelligent life exists here.

"And then he will send out the angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of heaven."

"Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more."

"But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells."

"He determines the number of the stars; he gives to all of them their names."

"To the choirmaster. A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork."

“You are the Lord, you alone. You have made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth and all that is on it, the seas and all that is in them; and you preserve all of them; and the host of heaven worships you."

"The heavens proclaim his righteousness, and all the peoples see his glory."

I don't see God and Evolution or God and life off this planet as a conflict.

YUP

If you are married

Theres a reason telescopes searching for intelligent life are pointed AWAY from earth.

LOL!

Anything is possible. But I don't know. And I remain somewhat skeptical.

Mike

There is 100% nothing in the Bible about other image bearers. Nada.

Cant we believe in the Lord and Christ,,and still wonder if they created life elsewhere? I do.

We just keep it inside the rails of God's Revelation called Scripture. Wonder is what we all do, but ontological arguments which would claim that God created other beings discredits what God's Word describes in His Holy Scripture, which is critical to our faith. We can't rewrite it, but we can sure wonder! The Heavens proclaim God's Glory.

Blessings,
Mark

I'm certainly not as smart as Mr. June, but I will never put limitations on MY God. He can do all things.

I don't know how much if any James webb telescope imagery is one YouTube. But there is quite a bit of hubble material. The massive numbers of galaxies, which contain massive numbers of solar systems makes it highly unlikely other life doesn't exist elsewhere.

What people generally don't seem to grasp about the development of life on earth, is the time scale. What seems unlikely over the span of a thousand years, might be completely likely in the time frame of a million years.

And if it doesn't make sense in a million years, just add a few more million. And then add a billion. And on and on and on. Here's a news flash. It doesn't make sense at all no matter how many years you add.

Life cannot come from non-life no matter how many billions of years you add to it. Or no matter how many galaxies there are. It's the most implausible ridiculous hoax ever perpetrated on the human race.

Well I have nothing worthy to say on this but God has spoken. Loudly and often and throughout the history of Scripture.
And as usually, people then interpret what they would do if they were God.
If they were God, and they made all these galaxies, they'd have more peoples.
But God has not told us this. People have. And they (the people) can't hold their breath for 5 minutes without saying goodbye let alone make the O2 that keeps them here, let alone make a galaxy.

Scripture speaks to this so readers of the God's Word - GOD'S WORD - can be assured that God's focus is on the Creation He spoke into Existence with that Word alone.
Here's a few texts about what God tells us He thinks about what the "diviners" say and what God thinks about those who speak in place of Him.

1 Samuel 15:23
“For rebellion is as the sin of divination,
And insubordination is as iniquity and idolatry.
Because you have rejected the word of the LORD,
He has also rejected you from being king.”

2 Kings 17:17
Then they made their sons and their daughters pass through the fire, and practiced divination and enchantments, and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the LORD, provoking Him.

Jeremiah 14:14
Then the LORD said to me, “The prophets are prophesying falsehood in My name. I have neither sent them nor commanded them nor spoken to them; they are prophesying to you a false vision, divination, futility and the deception of their own minds.

Ezekiel 12:24
For there will no longer be any false vision or flattering divination within the house of Israel.

Ezekiel 13:6
They see falsehood and lying divination who are saying, ‘The LORD declares,’ when the LORD has not sent them; yet they hope for the fulfillment of their word.

Is God capable of anything. Beyond a for sure, yes, can I get an Amen.
He's omnipotent meaning he is all powerful.
But to say there IS life "out there" is a human construct which at its core diminishes what God called good from the beginning.
I'm not walking that road. Enough of it going on already.

There is a dirty little secret, a lie rooted in all this, and it's this....
sssssh.
Come closer.
Hey, there's a snake by the door threshold. Well I'll be.....
"Psst, Did God really say earth is all there is? Humans made in His image is all there is? What do you think? God's holding out on you pal."

WHACK. CHOP.
Dead snake!!!!!

Blessings,
Mark

Mark, does The Bible explicitly say that God did NOT create other worlds and beings? Perhaps creating strange (to us) beings that are NOT in His image? [have you ever seen a platypus?]

I guess I'm thinking that just because it isn't MENTIONED in The Bible, doesn't exclude the possibility that He did just that. Maybe it's none of our business...

Heck, we couldn't know, right? God could do whatever He wants but MUCH theological reflection and writings have gone into this subject, because humans have gazed at the stars, which tell of God's Glory since.... well, since there were stars and there were people.

I don't have a position, even as a scientist, on if or if there isn't, or if or if there couldn't be.
Here's the nutshell of the theologians writings (tough to paraphrase thousands of years) which is God revealed three things so that we would know Him.

The Heavens and Creation
Jesus Christ
Scripture

And in all that, and I love me some Star Trek!!!!!!, if we dismiss what God has revealed and cast our gaze on what we conjure in our minds..... creativity is fine and is created in us and for us.... but, we're trying to be cautious of dismissing God and going with what we "know."
It's usually where all this heads.

Can God create whatever, wherever?
Sure we would say.
Did He?
All of us make our own decisions. Thank God for our ability to think it all through.
I'll stick pretty tight to the Text we do have. We're not really doing all we can with that part yet, before we go exploring the galaxies.

Blessings,
Mark

And they hold to it because they don't want to face the alternative.

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And if it doesn't make sense in a million years, just add a few more million. And then add a billion. And on and on and on. Here's a news flash. It doesn't make sense at all no matter how many years you add.

Life cannot come from non-life no matter how many billions of years you add to it. Or no matter how many galaxies there are. It's the most implausible ridiculous hoax ever perpetrated on the human race. [/quote]

I am not sure it’s much more ridiculous than an entire earth populated from two separate incestuous families, one of which had a 950 year old dad who rounded up all the animals on earth for his boat ride. Lol

I think when we become overly obsessed with space its a sign we would rather be someplace else. When I see the mess on the news, I'll admit I dream more about a better place and cling more dearly to my way of escape to a heavenly place, even if its here on a New Earth.

I know that day will finally come and then I :

Ain't gonna need this house no longer
Ain't gonna need this house no more
Ain't got time to fix the shingles
Ain't got time to fix the floor

“This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.” - 1 John 1:5 ESV Do we have the sun and the moon, yes but we dont need these in his presence because he IS the light.

“God is a God of Order” comes from 1 Corinthians 14:33. It says, "For God is not a God of disorder but of peace, as in all the meetings of God’s holy people." The Greek word for peace adds the ideas of oneness and quietness. Living in an orderly way helps us to be in line with God. 1 Corinthians 14:33 is backed up by God’s entire creation. Everything He made is orderly and consistent, as well as complex and detailed.

Knowledge came from God, God isn't fallible. Everything God has made it still stands. Everything we know, and whatever engineers have learned all of that knowledge has came from God as he parts his gifts to man as he sees fit. As mentioned, Man is fallible, God isnt. Look at human history's blunders... God has yet to have one.

I’m gonna stir the pot a little here but I’m also looking for answers. Who wrote the Bible? What version and when ? I don’t ever remember reading any version written by the Lords hand . Most was written by someone told to them by someone else long long after an event happened. Even the events written about Jesus were written more than a hundred years after his death . Now before you write me off as an atheist ( I’m not ) , think about what I’m saying. Has anyone ever seen the experiment where one person tells another person a joke and that joke is told to the next person and the next and so on and the last person tells the joke out loud to the rest of the group. I have been a part of one such experience while in high school , the joke was barely recognizable by the time it was told for the 12 th time.
I guess what I’m saying is we can only guess what has been omitted, embellished or misinterpreted. In my mind if you think me to be full of beans and you only believe what is written in one version of the Bible, well you kind of proved my point . Which is who knows what happened, we were not there !

You have a point Golf ball. Some societies lose or dilute the story because they don't have the written word or a diluted written word.. The American Natives didn't have the written word but handed down stories of a Noah in a flood in a canoe.
And there is also the story of Gilgamesh with its version.

It will be interesting when we find out what those others out there say about "its" belief in the origins of life...

I may, perhaps, be considered arrogant then.

I believe we were special when we were created. That we were created in His image and so special He created this world, this galaxy, this universe, and all others because He did love us and placed us here. And all those things we see far away and beyond are a testimony to our Creator and created for that purpose. God loved us enough to give us something so amazing and beautiful and to remind us of Him wherever we are to look.

Lots of books have been written on the subject. The Bible comes down to us through manuscript evidence, thousands upon thousands of pieces of manuscript evidence. It's not about Bible versions, it's about manuscript evidence upon which the Bible is based. It's the consistency of the manuscript evidence still in existence today that gives us confidence in what we call the Bible.

I don't understand why Christians tend to dislike the theory there could be alien life out there. If we search and find nothing it points to a rare case, a special case and is evidence of a creator. If we search and find intelligent life it would be created by God and have the same creation stories, religious texts etc. Seems win win for exploring the universe from the Christian perspective.

And, there it is! You have spoken and it is so.

Jesus's disciples by what Jesus told them and what they saw.

God's Word is Truth we can stand on and because of the human condition, God's Word is convicting oftentimes as we tee up too much of us and too little of God.

Paul told that - with conviction - to Timothy in the 1st century, and we're still adhering to it today.
Amidst what Paul called "savage" people.
I read and reread 1 Timothy chapter 3 often.

Blessing,
Mark

I'm not going to try to argue anyone out of their beliefs. I do have a few thoughts about this topic.

How many very unlikely things have you personally seen happen? I know I've seen several. Unlikely things happen all the time.

I have also thought about how easy it would be for people 2000 years ago living in a very low tech society to think that beings with advanced tech that they couldn't even begin to understand might be gods, Angel's or demons. I am in no way saying that's what happened. I think There were instances of ths kind of thing happening when Europeans met previously uncontacted people who were still basically in stone age societies.

That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us. We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ. We write this to make our joy complete. 1 john 1:1-2:2

We first must understand the eye witnesses of the truth.

QUOTE : have also thought about how easy it would be for people 2000 years ago living in a very low tech society to think that beings with advanced tech that they couldn't even begin to understand might be gods, Angel's or demons. I am in no way saying that's what happened. I think There were instances of ths kind of thing happening when Europeans met previously uncontacted people who were still basically in stone age societies. END QUOTE

We have this same thinking in Africa and Papua new guinea..... its 2022 people, its not because it was way back than and somehow we are smarter. The human heart is just as wicked as it was than. nothing new. Our hearts in america is just as deprived, it just only looks different because of culture not being a "stone age".

The bible was written by a diversity of 40 different authors over a period of 1,500 years in a variety of locations. However, the Bible is uniquely one book, with one voice consisting of 66 different books. Its authors came from all walks of life. Some were kings, shepards, warriors, fishermen, even a gentile doctor and a tax collector.

The bible is :
The revelation of God - 1 Sam 3:21; 2 Tim 3:15; Rom 16:25-26

Supernaturally given and preserved - 2 Pe 1:20-21; Lk 21:33; 1 Pe 1:25

Alive and life giving - Heb 4:12, 1 Pe 1:23

A balm and a weapon - Prov 4:20-22; Matt 4:4,7,10; Eph 6:10-17

Object and source of faith - 1 Thess 2:13; Rom 10:17

Complete - Rev 22:18-19

Comprehensive - 2 Tim 3:16-17

Infalliable Matt 5:18; 1 kings 8:56

Inerrant - 2 Pe 1:16-19

True - Jn 8:44, 2 Cor 4:4; Jn 17:17


A historical Record
a) From eternity past to eternity present
b) Of god's dealings with men
c) Of two divergent streams of humanity , the godly and ungodly
d) nation of Israel
e) of God's promise Messiah

Christocentric - John 5:39

To be studied - 2 Tim 2:15; 2 Peter 1:19; Heb 2:1-3, 2 Peter 3:16

The special revelation of the Bible is that it shows we have the spoken Word, The walking Word, and the written Word of God in action.

Finster, Sir:
10 reasons to assume we are not alone, I only need one. The book of Enoch, Noah's great grandfather. Not in the modern English bible. My own opinion of course, others will and do have there own.
Casexx


P. S.
I know I'm stepping into it, but we're all entitled to our own beliefs and opinions. I'm a person too with the same rights to my beliefs as anyone else. No more and no less. Let the burning at the stakes begin.

I'm thinking just as there was a fancied burning of the Library of Alexandria that someday there will be a great fanciful destruction of digital libraries for want of a do over and a new start. Floods can cause a physical refreshing and fire can too.

Historians are not all honest. We had a distant relative that was involved in many books and writings of the area. He came to the house and got a bunch of pictures on tin plates and promised to get copies and return them. My mom contacted him 3 times asking for them back to no avail. After reading some of his articles of the area it was a consensus of the people of the general area that he was a liar and thief as well.

No matter what you believe, the ride here is short. Enjoy it while you can!

Ol dad

I have been a witness many times, and I'll no doubt hear it again today,
in a hospital room of a person I've not yet met,
who are faced with immeasurable hardship,
because of today's very bad news from a medical doctor,

and they will struggle with the same part all of us struggle with
if we're really, really, really, really honest
and get past the evening news,
the internet opinions,
the history of our family bliss or junk or a combo of the two.

All of us wonder... "Did God really say?..."

The first man and woman heard that enticing whisper in a walking, talking serpent and we know life in that perfect garden must have been special because the Greatest Book ever written doesn't say that this first Adam and Eve were at all surprised by a walking, talking serpent.

What did surprise them was what the walking, talking serpent suggested to them. "Did God really say...?
The wonders of God's Glory have been evident since the beginning.
That's what God's Word says.
Us trappers are no different than anyone since the first Adam and the first Eve.
We can pick up a muskrat and when the world calls it "OMG!!!!!", we see an incredible and complex beautiful animal.
We can look out at the waters going by us and wonder how this beauty came to be. The smell. The sound. The noise and sight and feel of it all.
We can gaze up at the sky and see jets go past and clouds drift by and a sun a long way off but positioned just so, so that the perfect amount of warmth is provided to this place.
We can watch our spouse, who is with us, enjoy life with us and we can see that there is just one man and just one woman and not variations of them for very good reasons.

Yes, the wonders of God's Glory have been and continue to be evident and in fact do all the time declare His Glory.
Some people say we now, in this 21st century, are finally different. Better. Progressing. Perfecting.
Humans, some say, can now - finally - declare their own glory.

But, we know humans didn't make the muskrat.
Humans didn't make the waters.
Or the ability to smell, hear, see, or touch.
Humans didn't make the stars, or the skies, or the sun and position them just so.
Humans can not make a man and a woman.

God held on to me for a very long time as a trapper and as a person who loves the outdoors before I ever dropped to a knee and thanked Him for being patient with this hard heart and this very, very, very hard head.
I owe no such obedience to any man, or any woman, or any friend, although I've had a wonderful wife and many incredible friends.

People are all given grace by the same God who made the muskrats to choose who or what they worship.
And by God's grace, and not by any human works, hearts and minds are in fact opened by His wondrous outdoors everyday.
We pray that continues for a while longer as God continues to seek and save that which is lost.
Ain't it awesome to love trapping like we do, all you fellow weirdos!

Blessings,
Mark

Wonder if Hitler was from another planet He had the the Horten Ho 229 that looked more saucer than plane. I wonder if those came in an all electric version. Well we can't all keep up with the Jetsons and 3D printing or can we?