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The little 28 gauge that could

Posted By: coondagger2

The little 28 gauge that could - 04/19/22 01:11 PM

Shot this one for jbyrd! Hope everyone is having a great turkey season. We fried a couple wild turkey breasts on Easter Sunday and they were wonderful. Thankful that He is Risen and thankful that God made turkeys!

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Posted By: Strut10

Re: The little 28 gauge that could - 04/19/22 01:53 PM

Nice bird !!!!

CONGRATS !!!!!
Posted By: Bruce T

Re: The little 28 gauge that could - 04/19/22 02:14 PM

Congrats
Posted By: GREENCOUNTYPETE

Re: The little 28 gauge that could - 04/19/22 02:24 PM

nice bird
for Jbird you say

you absolutely can shoot turkeys with the sub caliber shotguns your actual target isn't any bigger or tougher than a squirrel

I bet if it was legal a lot more people would shoot turkeys with a 22lr or 22 short it works , I didn't do it , nor was I party to it , but I do know it works.
Posted By: KsTrapper88

Re: The little 28 gauge that could - 04/19/22 03:42 PM

Nice bird! Congratulations
Posted By: KsTrapper88

Re: The little 28 gauge that could - 04/19/22 03:42 PM

What’s the story? Haw far the shot?
Posted By: coondagger2

Re: The little 28 gauge that could - 04/19/22 03:52 PM

This bird was hung up bad at about 80 yards. Could not get him to gobble. Finally got a hen down to my right fired up and called her in to about 5 yards away. That was enough to ease the tom my way. He only ever gobbled one time.

The neighbor has a lawn mower from the 70's or 80's with the exhaust chopped off. It's an old John Deere. He rides it around. He cranked it up as that gobbler was coming and that really boogered us.

Gobbler ran off with the hens to about 150 yards away. I really had to hammer on the calling but finally got him headed back my way after buddy shut his Harley Davidson lawn mower off.

He made a big loop out in the field and came in to the edge of the woods down on my left. I only had one small window for a shot through all the brush. I thought it to be about a 30 yard shot but stepped it off at 45 steps.

I touched the shot off and he just laid over. No flopping or carrying on. The people who say there are no levels of dead have never shot tungsten.

I'm very happy to get him. Should have killed him 3 times over if we wouldn't have had the neighbor carrying on. Had to take a tough shot through a bunch of junk but made it happen!
Posted By: KsTrapper88

Re: The little 28 gauge that could - 04/19/22 04:00 PM

That’s awesome. Good work man. Turkey hunting is so much fun...so many different scenarios, even neighbors Harley Davidson mower lol

Thanks for sharing
Posted By: Jerry Jr.

Re: The little 28 gauge that could - 04/19/22 04:01 PM

Good job!
Posted By: coondagger2

Re: The little 28 gauge that could - 04/19/22 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
nice bird you absolutely can shoot turkeys with the sub caliber shotguns your actual target isn't any bigger or tougher than a squirrel

I bet if it was legal a lot more people would shoot turkeys with a 22lr or 22 short it works , I didn't do it , nor was I party to it , but I do know it works.

That's right! Modern shotshells allow you to do some pretty crazy stuff
Posted By: CaseXX

Re: The little 28 gauge that could - 04/19/22 06:09 PM

Double cool, I myself just don't shoot enough shot anymore to justify the cost. But if the stars all align just right I may try it just once to see what all the fuss is about. Congrats on the bird.
Casexx
Posted By: bhugo

Re: The little 28 gauge that could - 04/19/22 06:12 PM

Nice bird and story!
Posted By: Willy Firewood

Re: The little 28 gauge that could - 04/19/22 06:21 PM

Very impressive shotgun performance! Also very good hunting skills to pull that bird back!

I don’t doubt the TSS lethality, but the cost stops me. At 2 turkey shells per year, I have 9 years to go. By then, my hunting days may be over.

Of course there are varying degrees of lethality. I am used to instant kills with rarely any flopping with my 12 gauge 3.5” buffered load of #5 copper plated lead shot.

My nephews buddy recently missed a tom 3 times with TSS shells. Expensive poor marksmanship!
Posted By: coondagger2

Re: The little 28 gauge that could - 04/19/22 06:41 PM

Thanks gentlemen.

WF: I would bet your nephews buddy did not pattern his gun ahead of time. Some of the tss loads with extremely heavy payloads do not shoot true to point of aim and can leave you scratching your head. That is why you see a lot of guys with the red dot sights that they can "sight in" like a rifle. I've found that by shooting a slightly more standard load weight the point of aim will come back to meet the point of impact.

For example, the 1-5/8oz load in my 28ga requires a red dot to shoot true. The 1oz to 1-3/8 loads load do not
Posted By: hippie

Re: The little 28 gauge that could - 04/19/22 06:45 PM

What's the purpose, to save shot?
Posted By: coondagger2

Re: The little 28 gauge that could - 04/19/22 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by hippie
What's the purpose, to save shot?

The purpose of what hippie? Shooting a 1 oz load vs a 1-5/8oz load?

I do this to save on shot and so that the gun will shoot true to point of aim and I won't have to use a red dot
Posted By: hippie

Re: The little 28 gauge that could - 04/19/22 06:54 PM

Ok, to save shot. Kinda what I was guessing if going to the bother.
Posted By: coondagger2

Re: The little 28 gauge that could - 04/19/22 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by hippie
Ok, to save shot. Kinda what I was guessing if going to the bother.

Yes sir thats right. You get to a point of diminishing returns in my opinion. I can put just as many pellets in the 10" at 40 yards with a 1-3/8oz load as I can with a 1-5/8oz load so I don't feel that the heavier payload is necessary

For reference in my 1-3/8oz load of #9 tss I have 501 pellets, a 3.5" 12 ga load of #5 copper coated lead has 340 pellets
Posted By: matt

Re: The little 28 gauge that could - 04/19/22 08:00 PM

Good job. That’s a good looking bird. If the weather will straighten out, maybe they will do something here this week. Those smaller gauges and that TSS are pretty wicked.
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: The little 28 gauge that could - 04/19/22 09:03 PM

turkey dont know if you killed it with an 1 1/8 oz reload of 6's or a 14 dollar a shot gander mountain super hunter turkey tss special 5 inch shell designed to shoot in a 3 inch chamber. shot in the back running away with a 45 grain ballistic tip out of a 22 hornet loaded at about 2500 fps the breast isnt bruised and tastes just like the one shot with 6's that tastes just like the one shot with the 5 inch tss special super hunter turkey load,

who cares what you choose to kill a turkey. whats important is fish and game depts are charging about 5 times to much for tags
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: The little 28 gauge that could - 04/19/22 09:05 PM

ps. nice bird
Posted By: coondagger2

Re: The little 28 gauge that could - 04/19/22 09:21 PM

Danny, sorry to have (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) in your wheaties.

Our state wildlife doesn’t charge additional for turkey tags. It’s included in the big game harvest card you get for deer season. My grandpa bought me a lifetime hunting license when I was born so it costs me all of about $5 per year to turkey hunt here
Posted By: KsTrapper88

Re: The little 28 gauge that could - 04/19/22 09:26 PM

I think it’s $27 here. Just bought one but forgot the exact number. But I’m fine with it, money goes back into the wildlife, not being used for any political pet project i care nothing about, but I do care about having turkeys to hunt.
Posted By: KsTrapper88

Re: The little 28 gauge that could - 04/19/22 09:27 PM

Second one for the northern units where you can hunt two are cheaper I think
Posted By: coondagger2

Re: The little 28 gauge that could - 04/19/22 09:30 PM

Ks, I agree. Turkeys have actually been something that has been very successfully managed. We have more turkeys now across the US than we probably ever did. Even when I was a kid there weren’t many around here. Mossy oak sells a turkey stamp that gives into turkey conservation efforts. I bought one
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: The little 28 gauge that could - 04/19/22 09:33 PM

Nice coondagger2

KsTrapper88, the money goes to keep cost down for old men and their campers in the state parks. Its why its now wildlife and parks instead of just wildlife. They are getting far to money hungry. Some of the money goes for walk in hunting which I think is great. I would rather buy a 4 dollar turkey tag and a 20 dollar walk in hunting permit. Let the people in campers pay for the parks.

need to have open season on hawks owls and eagles just like we do coyotes as well
Posted By: KsTrapper88

Re: The little 28 gauge that could - 04/19/22 09:46 PM

Good suggestions there Danny, I would support those changes.

I don’t even mind the cost as is if it’s going to turkeys, not camper hookups
Posted By: lestan101

Re: The little 28 gauge that could - 04/19/22 10:17 PM

I made the change to TSS and a red dot this year. Terrible expensive, but I like to turkey hunt so I treated myself to them. All I have to say is WOW!!. I wish I would have switched earlier. I have put 6 down this year. They all were down right there with hardly any flopping.
Posted By: Keith Daniels

Re: The little 28 gauge that could - 04/20/22 01:14 AM

Originally Posted by coondagger2
Thanks gentlemen.

WF: I would bet your nephews buddy did not pattern his gun ahead of time. Some of the tss loads with extremely heavy payloads do not shoot true to point of aim and can leave you scratching your head. That is why you see a lot of guys with the red dot sights that they can "sight in" like a rifle. I've found that by shooting a slightly more standard load weight the point of aim will come back to meet the point of impact.

For example, the 1-5/8oz load in my 28ga requires a red dot to shoot true. The 1oz to 1-3/8 loads load do not


Okay, hang on a second. I shoot a lot of 28, but never dealt with TSS. Is it that dense that you can actually get 1 5/8 oz. in a 2 3/4"? I know there is some chambering in 3" now, but that's a huge jump from my 5/8 oz. steel and 3/4 oz. lead, max 1 oz. with some factory loads. Assuming it's a low velocity load to keep pressure down?
Posted By: coondagger2

Re: The little 28 gauge that could - 04/20/22 01:21 AM

Keith, yep, due to the extremely high density of tss you can fit that. Fits just right in the TPS 28ga wad.

The load runs about 1150 FPS at a little over 11,000 psi. If you wanted to tip toe the edge of the max pressure you could get it to 1200.

I don’t have any guns that will shoot the 3” shells

The 1-5/8oz load is a roll crimp load. The rest of my loads are fold crimped. My favorite load is probably the 1-3/8oz load of tss 9’s at 1200 FPS. Just great patterns
Posted By: coondagger2

Re: The little 28 gauge that could - 04/20/22 01:23 AM

Here is a pattern from my buddys 28ga with the 1-5/8oz load at 40 yards. His shoots pretty true to point of aim without a red dot

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Posted By: We-Sa

Re: The little 28 gauge that could - 04/20/22 01:29 AM

Well done coondagger2, that's a nice bird!
Posted By: Willy Firewood

Re: The little 28 gauge that could - 04/20/22 06:28 AM

Coon - no he did not pattern it. Hillbilly voodoo magic is what people use around here.

On my Turkey gun I use a Leupold 2x7 shotgun scope and do surgery.
Posted By: bhugo

Re: The little 28 gauge that could - 04/20/22 09:45 AM

What choke do you guys use with the tss?
Posted By: 160user

Re: The little 28 gauge that could - 04/20/22 10:55 AM

My one and only turkey was taken with a Remington 11-48 in 28 gauge. Lead #5's rolled it clean.
Posted By: DWC

Re: The little 28 gauge that could - 04/20/22 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by coondagger2
Here is a pattern from my buddys 28ga with the 1-5/8oz load at 40 yards. His shoots pretty true to point of aim without a red dot

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Why do i see pics of shotgun patterns of a circle with an off center dot? Ive patterned shotguns before, but i just draw a dot on cardboard and shoot it and see how it looks.
Posted By: Jerry Jr.

Re: The little 28 gauge that could - 04/20/22 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by DWC


Why do i see pics of shotgun patterns of a circle with an off center dot? Ive patterned shotguns before, but i just draw a dot on cardboard and shoot it and see how it looks.


The dot is were you aim, the circle goes around the center of the pattern (10"). Ideally you want the center of the pattern to be at your aim point.
Posted By: coondagger2

Re: The little 28 gauge that could - 04/20/22 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by Jerry Jr.
Originally Posted by DWC
Why do i see pics of shotgun patterns of a circle with an off center dot? Ive patterned shotguns before, but i just draw a dot on cardboard and shoot it and see how it looks.


The dot is were you aim, the circle goes around the center of the pattern (10"). Ideally you want the center of the pattern to be at your aim point.

Correct, you draw the 10" circle around the part of your pattern that is most dense. You sight your red dot in so that the densest part of your pattern is on the small circle where you aim
Posted By: matt

Re: The little 28 gauge that could - 04/20/22 08:17 PM

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I know this is a 28 ga post. But my son took this one today with his 20 ga. Shooting rouge 1 5/8 oz # 9. 32 yards. Flapped his wings twice and was no more. It’s expensive, but well worth the price in the smaller gauges.
Posted By: coondagger2

Re: The little 28 gauge that could - 04/20/22 11:53 PM

Congrats to your son!! 20 is a hammer too
Posted By: Gary Benson

Re: The little 28 gauge that could - 04/20/22 11:59 PM

Originally Posted by danny clifton
turkey dont know if you killed it with an 1 1/8 oz reload of 6's or a 14 dollar a shot gander mountain super hunter turkey tss special 5 inch shell designed to shoot in a 3 inch chamber. shot in the back running away with a 45 grain ballistic tip out of a 22 hornet loaded at about 2500 fps the breast isnt bruised and tastes just like the one shot with 6's that tastes just like the one shot with the 5 inch tss special super hunter turkey load,

who cares what you choose to kill a turkey. whats important is fish and game depts are charging about 5 times to much for tags

Thats a fact......and just how much does the state have tied up in whitetail deer? Irks me to no end. Farmers feed them and provide habitat.
Posted By: Keith Daniels

Re: The little 28 gauge that could - 04/21/22 12:41 AM

I see a lot of 28's being loaded with roll crimps for the little bit of extra room. With that extra density I'm guessing the shot retains energy of 2+ sizes larger than lead?

That is one impressive pattern.
Posted By: Jerry Jr.

Re: The little 28 gauge that could - 04/21/22 01:10 AM

Originally Posted by Keith Daniels
I see a lot of 28's being loaded with roll crimps for the little bit of extra room. With that extra density I'm guessing the shot retains energy of 2+ sizes larger than lead?

That is one impressive pattern.



From what I have seen #9 tss is about the same as #4/5 lead (at the same velocity). #9 tss will still kill at 70 plus yards, the pattern probably not so much. It's size and density give it its killing ability.

Yes, roll crimping can get you a little more room to work with.
Posted By: DWC

Re: The little 28 gauge that could - 04/21/22 02:12 AM

Ive only patterned one turkey gun with a red dot and thats been 12 years ago. I shot a couple light loads close to get my red dot on, then moved back to 40, shot a few different turkey loads and one threw an awesome pattern so ive went with that since. Once u shoot at the dot, and u see ur pattern is heavy to one side or the other u draw the ten inch circle. Then do u then just lock in your gun/red dot on the original dot, and without moving the gun, move the red dot to the center of the circle drawn around your densest part of the pattern? You would probably need a second person or a gun vise. Am i interpreting that correctly?
Posted By: coondagger2

Re: The little 28 gauge that could - 04/21/22 12:09 PM

DWC, that's exactly right. That's how I do it if I have a reliable way to lock the gun down. It takes way more "clicks" than you would think to get that dot where it needs to be
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