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Why should he not just poison the bats? #3092381
03/26/12 07:47 PM
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A guy I work with has bats in the house. He knows where some of them are coming in, but thinks he may poison them. I said that is not a good idea, that he should exclude them. He doesn't seem to think he can do it. They are coming in under the peak on the bottom side of the roof.

Tell me how to explain to him what he needs to do to keep the damage down.

Re: Why should he not just poison the bats? [Re: Mark K] #3092426
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git some netting and let it loosely hang on the outside of the hole theyre comin in cause theyll fly out but wont be able to git back in then go and fix the hole but he might wanna git someone to come in and git all the droppings up


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Re: Why should he not just poison the bats? [Re: Mark K] #3092429
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foxtail, i'm sure this is going to get plenty of comments, I guess if I stayed neutral and just answered your question versus had a knee jerk reaction to what we all know is happening all over the country without most folks knowing it is.

I'd say, first are the bats in his residence, within the living quarters? Or in the attic or outer walls/roof?

If they are in the residence his first step should be to seal them out of his residence in other words, seal interior openings to living space
this can be done without harming bats as they will be entering and exiting through an exterior opening some where.

Then I'd try to convince him that bats can be successfully excluded and even if he is determined to DIY the job due to finances or other constraints, he can use any of tons of references most of which are good enough to get the job done on a basic level.

Obviously if he hired a true professional bat excluder its going to cost him but he will get what he pays for and know he is protected long term by their work.

Bringing up any legal issues may go either way, could make him think twice about doing it, or make him just be sly about doing it illegally. Every state is different but the one thing that is a common thread is if there are any protected bats, threatened or endangered and they are poisoned and word got out that could change his life in a very publicly negative way, financially as well.

Pains me to think that folks poison bats but I do know it is a sad fact across the country and we see it discussed all the time. Wish it weren't so, I work with anyone in my area to help them even just technical assistance if they can't afford it, I'm interested in promoting bat conservation.

I would see if there is a nwco in the area who could speak with this guy over the phone or even on site to try to show him that this isn't the way.

Like I said, many suggestions will follow I'm sure that will range widely.

justin

Re: Why should he not just poison the bats? [Re: HD_Wildlife] #3092450
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I would recommend hiring a professional. I know Mike Tuckers business is around Minniapolis maybe you could assist him and learn something about bat exclusion and it may help pay your bills in the future.
The reason he shouldn't poison the bats is it may be illegal and it won't solve his problem without the exclusion.


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Re: Why should he not just poison the bats? [Re: Mark K] #3092674
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Originally Posted By: foxtail


Tell me how to explain to him what he needs to do to keep the damage down.

Have him give me a call.


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Re: Why should he not just poison the bats? [Re: Mark K] #3092690
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Poison them ?
With what / Decon ? laugh

Re: Why should he not just poison the bats? [Re: Mark K] #3092730
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Moth balls. They are poison.




Put enough up there and they will make you sick. Bats are smaller than people. If it makes us sick it should kill them right?



It sure doesn't make them leave so I figure they must be used to kill em.









I hope nobody thinks I'm serious!

Re: Why should he not just poison the bats? [Re: LT GREY] #3092739
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Sorry Bud after I made that post mentioning Mike I knew it was a mistake. Give Bud a call.


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Re: Why should he not just poison the bats? [Re: Mark K] #3092761
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I told him that he should give the local guy a call because eventually they will dump enough poop to damage the house and that the wife will not be happy when the ceiling comes in on them and dumps poop all over the floor. I believe they are getting in the living quarters as well as the attic. I will mention Bud to him on Fri when I go back to work.

Re: Why should he not just poison the bats? [Re: Lundy] #3092780
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Originally Posted By: Lundy
Moth balls. They are poison.




Put enough up there and they will make you sick. Bats are smaller than people. If it makes us sick it should kill them right?



It sure doesn't make them leave so I figure they must be used to kill em.









I hope nobody thinks I'm serious!


Nah, I've met you...I'd never think that ! smile

Re: Why should he not just poison the bats? [Re: Mark K] #3092975
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I would go with the poison , you guys would be Rich if you figure away to do that , I see one nation wide company in my area use bat boards , once one gets stuck they all come , seems like they would end up in jail but I guess there above the law , even if you do kill them , more will just comeback , rabie shots are not cheap , bat urine stinks bad when it starts to drip , bat crap on the roof will eat shingles , take pic of all four sides of the house and post them on here and see if you get any help with the problem


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Re: Why should he not just poison the bats? [Re: Mark K] #3093109
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The hardest part of poisoning bats is holding down all those insects so that you can paint them with cyanide.

Re: Why should he not just poison the bats? [Re: Mark K] #3093140
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Paul even if you did have poison insects , would bats be able to see them in the attic even if the insects were flying around , seems like all the roof and struts and stuff would mess them up ,do bats really eat mosquitoes seems like there flying to high for mosquito hunting , when I crush up there dropping looks more like light bugs and stuff to me , could just be a myth I'm thinking


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Re: Why should he not just poison the bats? [Re: Peskycritter] #3093168
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good grief

this forum is sinking..............bummer

Re: Why should he not just poison the bats? [Re: LT GREY] #3093302
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Originally Posted By: LT GREY
Poison them ?
With what / Decon ? laugh
A local pest company used to use tracking powder. Thankfully that was a long time ago. I don't know of any poisens that are registered for bats.

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Re: Why should he not just poison the bats? [Re: Mark K] #3093409
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Tell him good luck and let you know how sucessful he was. Then give him your biz card and have him call you when he wants to get serious about excluding the bats. He will not be able to poison them. It is impossible to that. He has to get the bats to ingest the poison and unless he has trained bugs carrying a backpack full of poison he will not be sucessful.


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Re: Why should he not just poison the bats? [Re: Mark K] #3094327
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LT, I did get almost knocked over by the Naphtalene gas (Moth balls) when a customer openened the front door. When I informed her it was a poison, she said 'is that maybe why my daughter (upstairs bedroom) is having headaches ?' Her "friend" had thrown four boxes of moth balls around, in her recently reblown, attic insulation. I suggested she have him put in a fan over an attic vent and ventalate her attic for about two years.




I evicted the Bats within 2-3 days of course.


But I had to play with you!

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Originally Posted By: Lundy
LT, I did get almost knocked over by the Naphtalene gas (Moth balls) when a customer openened the front door. When I informed her it was a poison, she said 'is that maybe why my daughter (upstairs bedroom) is having headaches ?' Her "friend" had thrown four boxes of moth balls around, in her recently reblown, attic insulation. I suggested she have him put in a fan over an attic vent and ventalate her attic for about two years.

Using naphtallene is a 5,000 dollar fine here in Michigan , was told that at the madca meeting by department of agriculture , it's also a criminal charge


I evicted the Bats within 2-3 days of course.


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Re: Why should he not just poison the bats? [Re: Mark K] #3096072
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Simple argument, it is cheaper and more efficient to evict the bats and improve the house at the same time. The question was "how to explain" poison was not the right answer. It is very simple to explain it is "not even" an option. So simple to seal and evict. Permanent and cost effective. No need to hire a professional, however a great need to explain sealing of structure. Ask him t o give me a call and I would be glad to explain the benefits of a sealed home. It is easy to explain how the problem can be prevented from ever happening again.

Re: Why should he not just poison the bats? [Re: ProLine] #3096144
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Originally Posted By: ProLine
It is very simple to explain it is "not even" an option.


Finally.... sanity prevails.


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