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#83182 - 02/09/07 05:41 PM FOX - few questions..Fox trapping..and DRAGS..?
trapper989 Offline
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Registered: 01/06/07
Posts: 422
Loc: east central indiana
OK... i cought my first foxes this year.... one in a snare one in a 1.5 coilspring.....

I LOVE it.... i love that feeling of comming over the hill and seeing a NICE looking red sittin there in ur trap....its A+!!!

but next year im planning on focusing more of my efforts on FOXES!!! ill be using 1.5's and i am thinking about getting some Tom Mirranda(sp) competition line fox lure..... any one ever use this stuff?? i was reading his book on fox trapping and he does get a boat load of them reds.....

i was also thinking of trying to maybe use a few Drags....
but i am planning on making them in welding class.....
with re-rod and make them STRONG AND HEAVY DUTY!! tire out them foxes QUICK!.....

but what are some of the DOWNFALLS of using Drags????

THANKS A BUNCH

Jeff


P.S. im not asking for EVERYTHING ABOUT FOXING... just wanting some advice to help me next season in my fox catches....
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#83230 - 02/09/07 06:11 PM Re: few questions..... Fox trapping..... and DRAGS..? [Re: trapper989]
traprjo Offline
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Registered: 12/29/06
Posts: 498
Loc: pa
trapper989 one downfall can be catching something other than a fox like a coyote coyotes on a drag will head for a road or clearing and goodbye honya

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#83232 - 02/09/07 06:13 PM Re: few questions..... Fox trapping..... and DRAGS..? [Re: traprjo]
trapper989 Offline
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well what if i use a drag just in moderately heavy cover
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#83417 - 02/09/07 07:33 PM Re: few questions..... Fox trapping..... and DRAGS..? [Re: trapper989]
trapper989 Offline
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Loc: east central indiana
also what about lures....

i have heard lennons(dont know which one...)
and GL-40... who is this made by????


Thanks

Jeff
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#83469 - 02/09/07 07:54 PM Re: few questions..... Fox trapping..... and DRAGS..? [Re: trapper989]
fur taker Offline
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Registered: 12/26/06
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Loc: Lost, MN
i,m going to tell you that lure is cheap so try everything you can get your hands on look for the specials and also get it at conventions. keep good records of catches of species to lure with what sets and in a year or two you will have no problem knowing what to use when. and as for drags make sure they will tangle somewhere. I plan on using them on cats next year once the ground freezes hard.
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#83487 - 02/09/07 08:01 PM Re: few questions..... Fox trapping..... and DRAGS..? [Re: trapper989]
kwtrapper Offline
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Registered: 01/11/07
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Loc: virginia
I do right much fox trapping and tell me why in the world would you want to use a drag on a fox when you can stake the trap down and the fox will be right where you made you set and you do not have to look for him.
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#83506 - 02/09/07 08:10 PM Re: few questions..... Fox trapping..... and DRAGS..? [Re: kwtrapper]
mpb Offline
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Registered: 01/31/07
Posts: 15
Loc: wisconsin
i use drags if there is snow on the ground, but otherwise not, make some stakes in welding class instead, double stake in case that song dog strolls through, i haven't ever used any of lenon's lures, only caven and trapper arts, good luck,

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#83509 - 02/09/07 08:12 PM Re: few questions..... Fox trapping..... and DRAGS..? [Re: kwtrapper]
trapper989 Offline
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i dont know i was just thinkin that it would be something kinda cool to make in fabrication class in school

plus id only make one lol it would be super heavy duty but heck i dont know .........

just something to do i reckon.....
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#83536 - 02/09/07 08:26 PM Re: few questions..... Fox trapping..... and DRAGS..? [Re: trapper989]
Nextyeartrapper Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
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Loc: richmond virginia
you could make one foxes wont go far but if a yote gets in oh boy
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#83551 - 02/09/07 08:34 PM Re: few questions..... Fox trapping..... and DRAGS..? [Re: Nextyeartrapper]
trapper989 Offline
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Loc: east central indiana
lol

well ill make it super heavy and super storng... heck if i dont use it it will still be pretty cool... i like making FUNCTIONAL stuff in fab.
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#83603 - 02/09/07 08:54 PM Re: few questions..... Fox trapping..... and DRAGS..? [Re: trapper989]
Asa Lenon Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 5937
Loc: Gulliver, Michigan
There are no down falls with drag usage so long as one has reasonable entanglement material in every direction around the set. I use drags 100% of the time here in my area where most places are wooded. A two prong drag with six feet of chain works perfectly for 90% of set applications. The other 10% of traps I always have equipped with three prong drags and 8' of chain and reserve them for areas of large clear cuts, large farm fields, etc. Finding animals on drags is not the problem so many fear. It only once in a blue moon I have had a problem locating the animal. For the ocasional blue moon incidents there are many advantages in using drags over stakeing solid. #...One can be more precise with set locations by setting right in the edges of well traveled roads and any open area where the catch would be risked of theft by passerbys. The animals most generally head right straight for the thickest cover and are hidden from view. I have to point out here that using three prong drags, excessively heavy drags, etc can be a detriment if not needed for the area. Small animals like young fox many times can hardly pull the drag from the trap bed and don't get far enough off the road to get hidden in heavy cover. Skunks hardly ever pull the drag from the bed so one is going to know there are sets in the area. Sometimes I make flat/blind sets right in the center of two track woods road with scores of vehicles driving right over them and never knowing. Think of the advantage there, any animal traveling the road in any direction could not miss a set like that. Sets staked down and hidden off the road for 50 feet would never be detected should the prevailing wind switch and blow one lure odor in the opposite direction. #2...drag usage allows one to use just about any type trap even when weakened by age without a problem because animals seldom fight the trap once they feel secured in thick cover. I never get a pull out unless it was an occasional toe tip catch even when large coyote and bobcat are caught in small weak fox traps. Also, drag usage is sort of like having a natural spring shock as the trap chain generally gets wrapped around small trees, brush, weeds, etc that give when the animals jerks, so they seldom get a chance to jerk soundly on the trap. Drag usage is also more humane because animals don't panic once they are secured from view and seldom twist, turn or chew their feet. I have caught thousands of coon at coyote and bobcat sets in big #3 and #4 traps and I could count foot chewers on my fingers. Back in the long line bounty days the traps were only checked every three days and after three days in a trap an animals foot would still be in good shape without laminated jaws because as I said, not twisting and turning and cuttin deeper in to their paw. If the BMP testers are looking for more humane methods of trapping coon, I have had the answer for over 50 years. 3...Those outstanding set locations that produce over and over again year after year are preserved for continuous usage. One simply slips the trap back in the set with no disturbance. I have sets that have produced several animal per season every year for 50 years while other sets made in the area do not produce at 1/4 of the level. There is something magic about certain set spots that just can not be duplicated. I would hate to have these unique places destroyed everytime I made a catch. Ace

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#83752 - 02/09/07 10:14 PM Re: few questions..... Fox trapping..... and DRAGS..? [Re: Asa Lenon]
Gary Offline
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Registered: 01/08/07
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k i skipped alot of the reading on this post so if i repeat what was said already i appologize .... but .... im in indiana myself ... have used drags for fox/yotes for years and think they have their place .... ya may want to look into slidewire (cable) systems .... but drags have been used for fox and yotes for many years and they do work .... just make sure ya drags are made for ya terrain .... weight of drag along with chain weight and length are big factors
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#83779 - 02/09/07 10:34 PM Re: few questions..... Fox trapping..... and DRAGS..? [Re: Gary]
trapper989 Offline
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well the soil here is MOSTLY clay not many rocks.... i was just kinda wanting to expirement.... dont the slide wire just HIDE ur catches??

im not concerned with that....
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#83854 - 02/09/07 11:34 PM Re: few questions..... Fox trapping..... and DRAGS..? [Re: trapper989]
il.trapper Offline
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Registered: 12/22/06
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Loc: West Central Illinois
As always, Asa has given sound advice.

I have used drags at times. One year went almost entirely with them. Didn't have anything bad to say except it did take a little longer to run a line. Naturally because of the time spent finding your catches. However, most were never more than 40-60 yards from where the set was made. Ya will find though, that a coon, a grey fox, and similar animals are not the easiest things to see in heavy cover. I have been right beside them a few times before I ever seen them.

Another thing I like about them is that I won't lose as many of one species to others with them. They get in the cover they are hidden not only from folks, but other critters too.

About all I use for canines is Lennons lures. He not only makes some great stuff, he is always willing to help ya out with advice. Ya can't go wrong with his products. I am going to use some of Pauls bait solution this year, as I am sure it will work real well too.
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#83913 - 02/10/07 01:50 AM Re: few questions..... Fox trapping..... and DRAGS [Re: trapper989]
Trapper Will Offline
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Registered: 12/28/06
Posts: 224
Loc: Missouri
I feel exactly the same as Asa. I love using drags and use them anywhere I can. I can put a set in much faster with drags. I have about 2/3rds. of my land traps rigged with drags, the other 1/3 I have pogo's on. I would go ahead and make up a few drags and try them. The main thing is to use 6 to 8 foot of chain on them. I make mine out of 3/8 rebar. My welding is not so good so they are not the prettiest things but they are strong and do the job. I don't have any problems with yotes taking them very far. They usually don't get over 20 ft. if you have brush etc. for them to tangle on. Most of the time the animal don't get over 4 to 6 ft. At least that is what I have found out. If you set in thickets or woods you will like using drags.
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#83934 - 02/10/07 04:33 AM Re: few questions..... Fox trapping..... and DRAGS [Re: Trapper Will]
Mike Taylor Offline
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Registered: 12/28/06
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Loc: PA
I will offer my two cents.I don't use drags because 1.I don't want to waste time hurting the catch...and 2. With Reds, the tron up circle is super attractive to the next one that come along.

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#83935 - 02/10/07 04:35 AM Re: few questions..... Fox trapping..... and DRAGS [Re: Trapper Will]
Mike Taylor Offline
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Registered: 12/28/06
Posts: 714
Loc: PA
I will offer my two cents.I don't use drags because 1.I don't want to waste time hunting the catch...and 2. With Reds, the torn up circle is super attractive to the next one that come along.
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#83962 - 02/10/07 06:06 AM Re: few questions..... Fox trapping..... and DRAGS [Re: Mike Taylor]
mike jerrell Offline
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Registered: 01/23/07
Posts: 3241
Loc: Mississippi
Drags work in the proper terrain, But for foxes, I want them to roll around and leave a lot of scent where I catchem. I will even pick up some of the grass and dirt from a catch ring and use it for freshing up old sets or for remakes when a domestic or nontarget animal is caught at another set. Catching a fox only enhances the set area in my opinion. Most lur works,but dont over do it.
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#84075 - 02/10/07 08:22 AM Re: few questions..... Fox trapping..... and DRAGS [Re: mike jerrell]
Asa Lenon Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 5937
Loc: Gulliver, Michigan
Using drags is not extra time locating animals if one learns to follow drag markings. Sometimes the marking are subtle but they are there. They may be as little as a turned over leaf or pebble, bent over blade of grass, etc. If one developes an eye for these markings they can head straight towards the animal and when one get close they will most always hear the jingleing of the chain in the brush. If one don't head out in the correct direction then they will need to circle around 360 degrees checking the area. Once the animal heads out, generally for the nearest thick cover, they seldom circle around or change direction. Also, i've heard the question asked many times "what if they head up the road"? They seldom do this but when they do they generally leave the road within 100 feet or so. Ace


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#84114 - 02/10/07 08:46 AM Re: few questions..... Fox trapping..... and DRAGS [Re: Asa Lenon]
scout Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 189
Loc: Northeast PA
Asa,

I prefer not to use drags, but because of the rocky soil here it is sometimes a neccessity. I trap mostly in wooded terrain and lose a great many fox and coyotes on drags because of the way they tangle. My drags are usually two prong with 6 foot of chain, two swivels, one three links from the trap and another three more links down. This works as long as the catch does not wind up around a sapling or small tree. If it does, the trap comes tight against the sapling and all swiveling stops. Then things get ugly, always too much leg and foot damage and frequently a lost animal. Am I doing something wrong?
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