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#660357 - 03/31/08 07:51 PM BAIT - Bill Nelson Bait Formula?
trapfurfun Offline
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Just curious I see people selling their own mixes of bill nelson's bait formula, but I can't seem to find who sells the original formula also curious who uses it and how good of luck they have on it.
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#660374 - 03/31/08 07:56 PM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: trapfurfun]
High Noon Offline
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10,001 new formulas, Everybodys got one. The original can't be made anymore. At least you can't get some of the ingredants(sp)
anymore.

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#660378 - 03/31/08 07:57 PM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: High Noon]
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All the Nelson formulas are posted at the Bucket of Guts website by Fishguts. Look in the archives.
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#660383 - 03/31/08 07:59 PM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: k9.]
DanielE Offline
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K9...I looked a few days ago when I saw that last posted and it said something like "I had to delete these due to threat of being sued".

I don't think they're there anymore.

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#660389 - 03/31/08 08:01 PM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: DanielE]
k9. Offline
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Wow! Didn't know that! Ole Bill Nelson must have reached him from the grave.
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#660390 - 03/31/08 08:01 PM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: High Noon]
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I use the formula that was from him in 1970 but add 3 more things to it and have had excellent luck with it on canines, cats, coons and badgers. This is all I use for coyotes, fox and coons. I use ground up bobcat meat for a base.
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#660401 - 03/31/08 08:04 PM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: huntinglonewolf]
DanielE Offline
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LOL...OK, I just looked again...and it seems it was only one formula posted by Cameron2...I guess I was mistaken. It seems teh rest are still there!

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#660412 - 03/31/08 08:07 PM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: huntinglonewolf]
High Noon Offline
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That's what I said, (I think) alot of people add something or change it up a little. Also alot of people claim to have the real formula. Even it you had the real formula you can't make it the same way he did.

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#660416 - 03/31/08 08:08 PM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: High Noon]
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#660429 - 03/31/08 08:12 PM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: steelhead]
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Here you all go.
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#660457 - 03/31/08 08:24 PM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: huntinglonewolf]
RockyII Offline
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 Originally Posted By: huntinglonewolf
Here you all go.


Thats the one I have too. EXACT!!! Minus your additions of course.
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#660477 - 03/31/08 08:34 PM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: RockyII]
High Noon Offline
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The formula I knew had Tonquin in it and that is why I say you can't make it the way he did! The tonquin today ain't what it used to be.

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#660521 - 03/31/08 08:52 PM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: High Noon]
trapfurfun Offline
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Very interesting read I will try and check out the link, watched Bob Wedn't movies the other day and it just got me thinking, might try and keep it simple next year one or two different baits a bottle of urine and get on down the road seems like it would be easier than carrying numerous different baits. lures and such. curious to know how the commercially prepared bill nelson baits do. Any had much experience with them


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#660545 - 03/31/08 08:59 PM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: trapfurfun]
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trapforfun that's the way to do it. Why do you need lure when your bait in itself is a lure. Simple is the best way.
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#660667 - 03/31/08 09:52 PM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: huntinglonewolf]
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TON of Bill's formula's out there.. ALL I KNOW is Bob tried several...and used RK660 Rich Kaspers... just the way it is.
lynx
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#660686 - 03/31/08 09:58 PM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: Lynxcattrapper]
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looks great thanks for posting you all
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#660691 - 03/31/08 10:00 PM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: trapper30]
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Lynx this is the same one RK uses only with trout oil. I got this one from bob.
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#660703 - 03/31/08 10:09 PM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: huntinglonewolf]
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Bob's cheep enough if it was THAT easy...he'd do it... ME THINGS it's a bit "different" ..
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#660709 - 03/31/08 10:11 PM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: Lynxcattrapper]
huntinglonewolf Offline
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Oh, everyone never gives out everything, you are correct.
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#660730 - 03/31/08 10:23 PM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: huntinglonewolf]
k9. Offline
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RK's has some additional things that improves it.

I have this version and a few others also.
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#660738 - 03/31/08 10:32 PM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: k9.]
huntinglonewolf Offline
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There are so many of them out there, The best way is to make yourself some and try it and see if it works. I know the one I make works really good and that's what I use. Have caught over 100 coyotes the last 2 years.
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#660798 - 03/31/08 11:24 PM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: huntinglonewolf]
possum skinner
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that formula will work for ya ... but a tweak here and there after a lil experimenting only enhances it

i've found that subtle changes such as various base meats and their level of taint from fresh to loud ... makes a difference

you can use that formula along with the other zillion "originals" as a stepping stone to unleash your creativity \:\)

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#660827 - 03/31/08 11:52 PM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: Paul Dobbins]
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I'm sure going to try a pint of yours paul this year as I have always heard good things about it.
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#660830 - 03/31/08 11:54 PM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: huntinglonewolf]
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LOL - I think you'll like it. (Please forgive this unsolicited advertisement)
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#660832 - 04/01/08 12:00 AM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: Paul Dobbins]
possum skinner
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I can just see it now ... twenty years from now a dozen variations of poorly xeroxed copies of Paul's bait solution going for $$$ BIG BUCKS $$$ on eBay ... lol ... laugh at me now but just wait and see lol ;\)

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#660835 - 04/01/08 12:03 AM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: ]
huntinglonewolf Offline
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I agree 100% possum skinner.
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#660839 - 04/01/08 12:08 AM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: huntinglonewolf]
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LOL possum skinner, I don't ever recall putting mine down in typed print. Mine is hand-written - lol.
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#660840 - 04/01/08 12:09 AM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: Paul Dobbins]
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Paul is taking his to the grave with him.
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#660848 - 04/01/08 12:27 AM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: huntinglonewolf]
Coyote1263 Offline
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Well I think Pauls right on this one.I've caught 71 yotes in 06-07 and 76 in 07-08.Pauls bait solution gopher base and tomcat.Beaver is next.Thanks Paul



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#660862 - 04/01/08 12:40 AM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: Paul Dobbins]
possum skinner
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 Originally Posted By: Paul Dobbins
LOL possum skinner, I don't ever recall putting mine down in typed print. Mine is hand-written - lol.


lol ... but come on Paul ... you and I both know that don't/wont really matter ... guaranteed to have multiple font types and penmanships once circulated ... ALL original of course

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#661023 - 04/01/08 08:09 AM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: ]
k9. Offline
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I do know by the time I mess around with it, it is cheaper for me to buy bait from someone like Paul or RK.

Last year I made a cat/horse/beaver Nelson formula bait that seems to be all right, other than I forgot to mix some skunk in.

Do any of you bait makers make a bait with all three of the alleged best meats in yours? If so what is the name of that product?
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#661027 - 04/01/08 08:14 AM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: ]
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Paul sounds good my only problem is I don't have any beaver meat or other meat until next season. How long do you suggest letting your stuff age. Would gladly use your bait solution, Backbreaker catches a couple coyotes and a bunch of beaver for me every year. Ran out of coon candy this year so I will be putting in an order later in summer might add a little dobbins bait solution to my list.
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#661032 - 04/01/08 08:18 AM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: trapfurfun]
trapfurfun Offline
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Oops just looked at your catalog paul forgot about the bobcat and beaver medly. Looks easier than making it myself, you will be getting a order later on this summer
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#661127 - 04/01/08 09:50 AM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: trapfurfun]
Corey Hain
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trapfurfun...if you need some meat to make bait with pm me, I have cat/beaver/deer meat frozen, I would give you a gallon if you need it. I'm 20 miles north of Seneca Ks.

Corey

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#661213 - 04/01/08 10:55 AM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: ]
possum5676 Offline
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UNles my memory has failed me blacky makes a 3 meat canine bait and so does russ carmen.
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#661242 - 04/01/08 11:19 AM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: possum5676]
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I made a bait this year using strongly tainted beaver meat, and the Bill Nelson Cat Bait Formula......with a couple extra goodies. Had several friends as well as myself test it here in NC, and had very good results on fox, coyotes and cats. Have a few new batches underway right now.
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#661293 - 04/01/08 11:56 AM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: Bottomline]
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i make a lot of my own stuff \:\)

prepared bait solutions are a great idea for folks who wanna give it a try with lil to no fuss ... that's great \:\)

but do I think it's a waste of time or that I'm using/preparing an inferior bait because I formulate my own??? ... NO I DON'T ... prepared solutions definitely have their place in today's market with folks "so busy" and with the "gimme gimme .. gotta have it now.. instant gratification" mentality so common nowadays ... aint never figured how these folks that are "so busy" and don't have the time to do this and that find endless hours to type out their opinions on online forums much less have time to do any trapping ... might wanna rethink your "too busy" status, ya might surprise yourself!

kinda like buying a jar of spaghetti sauce or making your own ... your decision ... be content with whichever ya choose

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#661359 - 04/01/08 12:49 PM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: ]
Bottomline Offline
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Here are some links to good bait solutions to add to your tainted or untainted meat. I've not tried them all, but have these.

http://www.trapperman.com/lure.html

http://www.rktraplineproducts.com/lures.htm (Nelson Formula)

http://www.jamesonsultrablend.com/Predator.html

Brian Roberts makes one also. (Nelson Formula)


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#661919 - 04/01/08 05:55 PM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: Bottomline]
trapfurfun Offline
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Question? do many of you add skunk to your bait or do use it without. seams like adding skunk late in the season would be a good idea but maybe not really needed earlier in the season when it is still warm.
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#661950 - 04/01/08 06:06 PM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: trapfurfun]
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The formula calls for 20 drops of pure quill per gal of solution. I usally add and stir shortly before using as the skunk blends and disapates over time. This is for late season when its colder.
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#662091 - 04/01/08 07:05 PM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: Cletis Richards]
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Remember when adding skunk to any solution or bait, if you store it in plastic the"sulfide" skunk smell will disapear over time, its best to either store it in glass or if you want a skunky bait add it just prior to use....B....
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#662389 - 04/01/08 09:17 PM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: brianroberts]
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I have used bill nelsons bait formula and the fresh bait didn't work well in our mild weather climate. it had a strong skunk smell to it when it was fresh so I kept it and the next season it was milder and I caught coyote on it after it mellowed out some.

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#662482 - 04/01/08 09:53 PM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: Heavymetal]
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I forgot to add skunk to my last batch. I caught some coyotes but this was a bad year to assess if it hurt me or not, as the weather shut down my best coyote trapping from Thanksgiving on.
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#662508 - 04/01/08 10:06 PM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: k9.]
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I add skunk to mine but it dosnt have a real "skunky" smell. Good quaility fish oil makes a big difference. Shake the solution to mix it up about once a day while its aging. Ill make it at least a month befor I even start to taint my meat.


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#662519 - 04/01/08 10:13 PM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: KYBOY]
KYBOY Offline
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Bobcat,cheese+meat(those cheese trimmings are all nice and gooey by the time of bottling),Mouse(pain in the butt) and beaver...Ill be bottling this very soon.
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#662533 - 04/01/08 10:22 PM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: KYBOY]
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Ky are the straws for tasting LOL


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#662535 - 04/01/08 10:23 PM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: KYBOY]
High Noon Offline
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Hey KYBOY I got some frog brewing in the same plastic bottles. What are you using on top of your vent?

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#662537 - 04/01/08 10:24 PM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: Cletis Richards]
KYBOY Offline
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Yea man. Once a day I go out an take a little sup ;\) It taste so good it makes my mamaw slap my momma for just havin' one of me..


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#662541 - 04/01/08 10:26 PM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: KYBOY]
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I'm looking fwd to meeting you in person some day Ky.
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#662700 - 04/02/08 01:31 AM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: KYBOY]
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 Originally Posted By: KYBOY
Bobcat,cheese+meat(those cheese trimmings are all nice and gooey by the time of bottling),Mouse(pain in the butt) and beaver...Ill be bottling this very soon.


A couple of those jugs, the meat and cheese look a little close to the top for me. They plug the hole off and Boom. Might as well have taken that chainsaw to it. I know you had it happen before!!

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#662768 - 04/02/08 06:24 AM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: Canine Slayer]
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Do you have to let the solution age before mixing it into the meat?

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#662859 - 04/02/08 08:08 AM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: NDlongliner]
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I dont think you have to. I just like to.
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#662884 - 04/02/08 08:27 AM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: KYBOY]
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Whatcha got on the top of those straws KY?Shoving cigarette butts in them or what???
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#663669 - 04/02/08 06:36 PM Re: Bill Nelson Bait Formula? [Re: k9.]
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Mesh so they can breath but keep out flys. Note those beathing tubes are a lot longer than they have to be. Not even sure why i left them that long


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