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Re: #4 Newhouse Square Pan over round [Re: trapper48] #5855106
03/23/17 07:49 PM
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Here is a fake Wolf trap wrench, bought from the same seller as the #4 square pan above.


Re: #4 Newhouse Square Pan over round [Re: trapper48] #5855251
03/23/17 09:50 PM
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Here's something I should have walked away from.

Re: #4 Newhouse Square Pan over round [Re: trapper48] #5855257
03/23/17 09:53 PM
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And I bet I'm not the only one to get stung with one of these...

Re: #4 Newhouse Square Pan over round [Re: trapper48] #5855569
03/24/17 10:23 AM
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Dale, The important question is where did you get they? It would be nice to know who is making these fakes.

Re: #4 Newhouse Square Pan over round [Re: trapper48] #5855575
03/24/17 10:29 AM
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What do you guys think about this one? Looks really nice, but after reading the posts I wonder. NOt trying to get anyone in trouble, just trying to learn. Thanks...


Re: #4 Newhouse Square Pan over round [Re: trapper48] #5855756
03/24/17 01:35 PM
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The pan on that #3 Star is very clean, almost too clean, but I have not seen any flaw in the pan or stamping itself. The jaws how ever, are not right. The jaws are cast and they should be flat steel jaws. That does not make it a fake but it is not correct.

Re: #4 Newhouse Square Pan over round [Re: trapper48] #5855785
03/24/17 02:42 PM
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What is the thickness of the pan.


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Re: #4 Newhouse Square Pan over round [Re: trapper48] #5855826
03/24/17 03:57 PM
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No idea on thickness. Wansn't able to measure it.

Re: #4 Newhouse Square Pan over round [Re: DiggerDale] #5855955
03/24/17 06:32 PM
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I think that the 4 prong drags have been made by several people,I know of one in Ny who had a few made up, not sure how many.

Re: #4 Newhouse Square Pan over round [Re: snakecollector] #5857324
03/25/17 10:27 PM
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TALK ABOUT FAKES I KNOW A GUY IN MO. WITH FAKES

Re: #4 Newhouse Square Pan over round [Re: Trapit43] #5857488
03/26/17 06:51 AM
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Willis Rice of Vermont probably made more replica traps than anyone,I think he passed away in 1970's His traps are collectible now I have heard of some bringing $ 250. I have 3 of his traps, he patented one in 1931.He made them with no electric in his shop.Ron Frodelius had dozens of them at one time ,he has sold most in last few years.Ron was a friend of Willis.He(Ron) had him make traps on a monthly basis.Ron was amazed at he different types of traps that he made up, many one of a kind.One could write a book on Willis Rice Traps,( And one should be written), commonly known as" Rice Traps"Most are unmarked, many are black in color.Not sure if painted or dyed ? As with any Hobby you have to educate yourself on Replica or Fakes ,Copies, Alot have gotten burned by these, there not going away,sometimes they are so well made that it is hard to tell them apart.Take a pic send to a well known collector for advice, before buying.Happy Collecting

Re: #4 Newhouse Square Pan over round [Re: ottertrap] #5858118
03/26/17 06:29 PM
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Your one sick individual Crazy Eddy
Im sick? Willis Rice's traps are collectable now.

Re: #4 Newhouse Square Pan over round [Re: crazy Eddy] #5858303
03/26/17 08:49 PM
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next ALL them fake signs and TAGS will be collectable

Re: #4 Newhouse Square Pan over round [Re: Trapit43] #5858552
03/26/17 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted By: Trapit43
next ALL them fake signs and TAGS will be collectable


They are at least researched and documented and proven to be authentic, which is more than you can say for the FAKE first model 5 and 6 Newhouse that were made up out of Newhouse springs and blacksmith made jaws, pan and base and then the guy from TEXAS had the nads to call them 1st Model 5 and 6 Newhouse, or the book of Alfred Williams that he supposedly bought the rights to and then wrote a few pages of ramblings that didn't have a thing to do with trap collecting and took Alfred's name off the book and had his own name put on the book and claimed he wrote the book, all were done to make a buck, not to mention the recent pages he had printed up that did nothing but slander other known collectors and then he harassed and bullied other collectors into buying his so called BOOK.
So!! How much research did he do on his fake 5 and 6 Newhouse and also the Abbey and McLeod that he put together out of a trap he bought from another collector, took the jaws out of and put on a Abbey and McLeod base he had laying around and sold it as an original, again another example of a trap being made up just to make a buck. How many other Newhouse traps did he put together just to scam some trap collector out of their hard earned money?

The tags and signs[stencils] ARE original and collectable, that's more than he can say about that plagiarized book with his name on it, at least he made the one with Alfred's name on it worth more, because it's not filled with VESTed dribble.

Re: #4 Newhouse Square Pan over round [Re: trapper48] #5858865
03/27/17 10:53 AM
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NOT A FAN OF VESTed. BUT I DO HAVE 9 original newhouse S TAGS for sale make offer
sorry i sold all of my signs.

Re: #4 Newhouse Square Pan over round [Re: trapper48] #5859204
03/27/17 06:44 PM
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Yup. Nothing like being called at home and pestered to buy a book, almost to the point of begging. Anything worth reading shouldn't have to be peddled like a 5 year old's story book.

Re: #4 Newhouse Square Pan over round [Re: trapper48] #5859297
03/27/17 08:10 PM
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i do live in tx. for 18 years.

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