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Beavers - held live in snares? #549291
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I see a lot of pictures of beavers held live in snares usually sitting on the bank, high and dry. I'll be trapping a shallow lake, with few spots to drown a beaver. Even in the spots with 4' water, I'm still not sure I can get a snared beaver to drown.

What's everyones thoughts on this? I know you can wire a snare off to a nearby tree, but if there isn't one big enough, close enough, can they be just cross or long staked? (soil is pretty solid)

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I make extension's for my snares 6-10 ft. and just stake down with a 2 ft. rebar stake, in loose ground a berkshire works fine.


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Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: Jtrapper] #550029
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ifin ya want to ruin a good beaver, by all means , dry land snare the sucker. If the lock don't ruin him , he will be full of cable stripes. I never set a snare for a beaver unless I put the snare on a drowning rod.
If you have deep enough water nearby, them make you a castor mound set. The beaver will find it. I make them come to me, I don't chase after them.

Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: don Wolf] #550185
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don, You must have wimmpy and weak beaver where you come from. I just dont seem to have that problem in the 5 states where I have Live Snared beaver.
Sure once in a great while I might get some slight damage. But I'm sure once in a great while you will get some slight damage out of a trap too.


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Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: Newt] #550214
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Thanks for the replies so far.

Newt, How about some staking ideas?

Don, this will be mostly a 'damage control job'. They guy wants to shoot them (with his 270), but offered to give me a couple weeks to get as many out of there as I can. I'm not sure I can afford to pass up a lot of sets. My guess is that a 270 might do more damage than cable marks.

Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: TrapperJake] #550303
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Newt as a furbuyer I see a lot of snare damage on beaver. One of the biggest problems I see besides the snare damage is the fighting that beaver do. seems a live beaver in a snare, attracts all his old enimies. I see a lot more bites from people that sell me beaver that are live snared.
I may buy wimpy beaver, but, funny thing, all the beaver I catch in snares that are drowned, have 90% less damage on them.
They have a very faint white line from the snare, where as most that are caught in live snares have a dark red cable line with occasional clear spots on them from the locks.
I also see a lot of cable striping on the fur part. These are places the beaver has had the cable slide acrossed his fur and actually cut or break the guard hair and even pull underfur out of the beaver.
Newt you must remember, Sir, you are an expert snare man. Not every body has your expertise. I am sure you have been through all this stuff at one time or the other and have learned special ways of avoiding the damage that a snare can cause a beaver.

Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: don Wolf] #550306
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Trapper Jake, where do you live in So Ill.? I could use some beaver .

Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: don Wolf] #550318
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I'm with Don on this one. I watched that Beaver DVD and a beaver caught In a live snare was one wild critter. I would also think that those snare marks would realy show up In the tanning procses as weak points. I've seen that In coon hides after tanning.


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Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: The Beav] #550340
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Gary I don't think that a lot of trappers know what snare damage on a beaver is. It not only comes from the cable, in the form of a cable line on the hide, but as I said, it also causes vast amts. of fur damage, that you and I know from looking at big quantities of fur. Next time you talk to Greg, ask if he knows where any big bunches of snared beaver are at in the shop. Look at those beaver very close and inspect the amt. of fur damage that you will see on the pelt.
I know you know what I am talking about.
The sad thing of it is, the beaver damage them self as bad as a coon does in a snare.
I had a fella give me 50 new locks to try on coons this yr. He told me that I would not be able to tell the snared coon from the trapped coon. well you guessed it,you can still tell the difference. Granted the snare line on the coon was not nearly as bad as the old locks I was using, but it was still a visible line on the leather. It did have a much lighter appearance to it though. No real bad red marks but still had a very faint red outline around the white line the snare produced.

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Hm NAFA has sold tens of thousands of beaver for me over the years, and I know I have been docked for it. Forst thing ya need to know is how to understand the grade on NAFa beaver. I have stood right by the graders side and watched beaver being graded that belonged to me. I know what and why they are being graded damaged and slt and slt. damaged for. Anybody that don't think their beaver for the most part are not downgraded because of snare damage is kidding them self. Mind you, I don't say that every beaver has snare damage. The ones that are dry land snared have way more damage than the ones that are caught in traps or drowned in snares.
In other words Buz. most of your beaver never have any damage to them.
funny thing I buy snared beaver constantly and see damage from snares. I sure as heck would not tell my trappers they had damage if thery didn't have damage. NAFa is the place I learned to grade fur Buzz. I spent many many hours with graders on all typs of fur, in the learning process.

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Ain't no argument to it, I know what I am talking about.

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Snaring beaver on land = damaged beaver.
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Call it what you want but beaver snare on land= damage
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According to Dale Billingsley if you use a long enough snare to allow them access to the water and land the damage is minimized.

Don is it possible the people you bought off of were using the wrong snares or methods? They are not all equal you know. I don't finish my beavers here so I can't say one way or the other on damage but perhaps there is more to it than just saying "all beavers snared on land will be damaged". ???

I sell mine just skinned out and haven't ever gotten docked by my buyer but I don't snare very many either, low population here.

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Buzz yes some beaver that are snare on land will not be damaged, lots of things will come into play size of cable, length of time in the snare, entanglement and lots of other factors. Bottom line for most trappers that do not know how to do it right is going to be a damaged beaver.
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 Originally Posted By: gibb
Buzz yes some beaver that are snare on land will not be damaged, lots of things will come into play size of cable, length of time in the snare, entanglement and lots of other factors. Bottom line for most trappers that do not know how to do it right is going to be a damaged beaver.
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Can you tell us the "right" way?

Personally I use non-entanglement sets, positive locking snares of 3/32" diameter. This combination I assume works the same on beaver as coons in that it rides atop the fur some rather than cutting through the fur breaking guard hairs and bruising the leather side of the pelt. It wouldn't however allow all the beavers to access to the water every time which could lead to damage from attacks by other critters and other beaver as well....



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..and I'm learning. Great discussion, guys, from both sides.

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Honestly almost impossible to prevent damage unless of course you snare them under the ice and prevent the beaver from getting any air.
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Several years ago I snared quite a few beaver . I had the least damage using short 1/8 "snares with a universal swivel and an extension . All of our beaver snares have to be set in waterso most beaver had access to water wich I think helps .some beaver would tangle on the bank and these I would see more damage . In high populations or on really good traveling nights I would get alot of fresh bites one even killed with 49 different bites .

With several feet of cable there isn't any reason you can't stake your sets like J said . they arn,t that hard to stake down and a little entanglement goes a long way .

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Buzz, body snared beaver on land equals damage. Sent up your body snared beaver and I will have the beaver grader go through them. Beaver snared on dry land by the body will grade out to be either 2nd cut of damaged or the bottom end for hatters. I just looked at a bunch of beaver that are dryland snare by the body and everyone has damage. Question how do you dispatch a dry land beaver.
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Thanks a million Gibb. Now it looks like there is two of us that don't know what we are talking about. Funny thing, you and I see more beaver in a month that most of these guys will see in a lifetime. I also stated, that not every beaver you catch will be damaged if land snared.
I put all my snares on drowners and still get a slt. bit of damage occasionaly.
Not only do you get lock damage, but everytime that cable slides acrossed the beaver, it might be breaking the guard hairs or putting a cable stripe on the beaver. If you know what you are looking at when looking at beaver fur, you will be able to tell what a small clip or a small wire stripe looks like.

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I brought 5 green beaver to Groney, 3 snared and 2 from 330s. These were Nov. MN beaver, so not as good as they will be, but he didn't say anything and I couldn't see damage on the fur side. All three were live and two were held in the water only, no access to land, and the other was held on land. I've have been told that spring beaver have longer guard hair that will be succeptable to more obvious snare damage. We'll see in April.

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Once again Buzz it ain;t always the lock that damages the beaver. Neck snared or not, you will still get cable damage.

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But Buzz just think what that check might say if it was not for the snare damage.

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Buzz we sent them out this year. pm me your address.
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Food for thought, NAFA best beaver grader works for us now.
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 Originally Posted By: don Wolf
Thanks a million Gibb. Now it looks like there is two of us that don't know what we are talking about. Funny thing, you and I see more beaver in a month that most of these guys will see in a lifetime. I also stated, that not every beaver you catch will be damaged if land snared.


Awfully defencive there Don. LOL What I want to know is does it matter what snares or methods of live snaring a person uses? I already know it matters on coon ALOT. So I'm assuming there are ways to limit at least, if not eliminate, damage from the snares. There may be ways of limiting the bites as well. How about you try to shed some light on anything people can try?

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heck Gibb........330's do just as much damage and them nasty canadian beliles are the worst.


Buzz have you actually seen were belisle traps have damaged beaver or otter or is this something that you heard? I have taken a pile of beaver and a handfull of otter in belisle traps the last 3-4 years and not once have seen any fur damage at all what so ever. Heck i take afew muskrats in them every year usually wacked at the hips and i have not had them damage them either?

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Buzzard you got the best fur in the world and I can't buy fur as good as you have in your state. Sorry I misled you into thinking my crapy Indiana fur is worth more. I am also done defending the beaver drowner. Do what you want. You know best. I could really care less.
I just wish that all the snared beaver I buy were as good as the beaver you have in your state.
ADC the only way I know to catch beaver is with drowners. I do not dry land set for them with snares nor will I ever do that. If I could tell you how to stop the snare damage on dry land I would. But it seems as though beaver do not get snare damage on dry land. With this said I will now shut my ignorant mouth.

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Ive snared alot of beaver in my life, before this past week id of said all snared beaver had damage as well, as I have in the past on this very forum!

But whipper snapper Kyle though he probably don't know it taught me something on snaring beaver for fur this past week! I can't honestly say those he snared would be able to be picked out of the pile of other's he's caught.

He's using 5/64 cable swiveled to 3/32 for his snares with his relax lock. After removing the beaver from the snare and rubbing up the fur no line can be found and because the snare hasn't LOCKED down in one spot I highly doubt a snare mark will be shown on the leather.

Strong conibears DO leave a mark, sometimes a heck of a mark on the leather!

That's my two cents worth on this topic, take it for what it's worth.

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J I agree on the 330's. I know I have pics of bad leather marks from 330's. The worst isnt from belisles, its from weak 330's that dont kill beaver and they end fighting the trap. Now that causes real damage. Im not saying I did it right but I have one snared beaver in the shed(3/32, cam-lock) thats has the biggest pretty white line ever was right across the middle. 6' snare with a mid snare swivel. Im sure the cam-lock was the major cause of that though. I dont have a dog on this tree but i have to say a buddy of mine sent thirty some odd beaver to NAFA a few years ago that were all snared and almost every one graded damaged. Maybe he used to aggresive a lock, I dont know???


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Take a piece of 1x19 5/64 and rub it, then rub a piece of 3/32 with your finger, you'll figure it out on your own then. The 5/64 is real smooth compared to the coarse feeling 3/32.

Im just doing adc work so 3/32 works for me BUT if I was snaring them for fur id go to 5/64 after what ive seen the past week.


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5/64 1x19 or 5/64 7x7 J?


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Hmm, ok..Thanks. Does it load and hold it loop ok?


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Thanks J, that's the kind of info that can really help out. It helps confirm my reccomendations for a "universal" snare as well.

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I don't know KY, his weren't loaded. Where's Newt's sorry butt when ya need him? lol.


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Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: Jtrapper] #551951
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Don, Gibb, If the beaver is snared around the neck would a slight snare mark really hurt? I relize body caught beaver with a snare mark will be graded slt damaged or damaged, but if most of buzzards are neck caught I wouldnt think that that would be as bad. I dont set snares for beaver anymore except under the ice and even then you can see a slight snare line, although not bad enough to be down graded. And yes somtimes you get a 330 mark even with strong traps, although when it is right behind the ears I cant say that I get docked for it at nafa.

Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: Wade Lacey] #552084
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Imade up a few live poles out of rebar and washers as i had nothing to stake to close by(within 15')6'exten.cable and a 5/64 short snare dbbl.swiveled no damadge

this one on land same snare setup but secured to stump in water and one swivel(no damadge)

give them cable,at least 10' ;)woodsmoke


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Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: don Wolf] #552171
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One of the biggest problems I see besides the snare damage is the fighting that beaver do. seems a live beaver in a snare, attracts all his old enimies. I see a lot more bites from people that sell me beaver that are live snared.


Gotta agree with Don here, I dry land snared a couple beaver and they got tore up by other beavers. Heck the one was still there attacking the snared one when I came to check my line. I set a drowner there instead of that snare and next morning he was doing some extended under water diving LOL

I used 3/32 cable, but thats because I just use it for everything, beaver, coon, yotes and fox. I know theres better cable size for the variety, but instead of having 3 or 4 different sizes I just go with one standard.

But then again I'm no beaver expert, I'd go by what Buzz and Jackie say, they see more beaver in a week then I do all year I'm sure

Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: Geezerman] #552201
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Don said
"ifin ya want to ruin a good beaver, by all means , dry land snare the sucker"

That sounds like you are go'n to totaly ruin ever beaver thats dry land snared.From what I gather You dont like Snared coon eather.

I'm just glad that I dont have Don or Jim grading my fur.I get good grades on both SNARED Beaver and SNARED Coon .

1x19 loads easer than 7x7. and WILL hold a round loop better. Its faster too. No zipper.
I'v been useing it for years.
ADC altho I dont have them HUGE coon you got in IOWA where #9Ga. swivels and 3/32" 7x7 are a MUST.
I'll take 1/16" 1x19 cable for a all around snare. You wont catch too many Gray Fox in 5/64' 1x19.


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Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: Newt] #552209
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Interesting Newt, why not tell everyone how you do it.

Buzz, no one out right called you Dumb.

Beavers caught right behind the ears would be ok.

Hard to see the snare line in a green beaver pelt unless cut right into the leather. I am very glad I do not have to buy green fur.

We receive 1000s of coon body snared that grade out as slights.
Cheers Jim

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Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: ] #552236
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Gibb asked "Interesting Newt, why not tell everyone how you do it."
Answer- Dont send them up to the big aution houses. I now sell at a local auction.I still have otter and rats up in NAFA. I sent them up to be SOLD,NOT HOLD. (I know Jim your with FHA)
I DONT caare what the High is I dont care what the Low is. ITS the adverage that counts.AND whatts tak'n out of my check.

As for snares I use eather 1/16" or 5/64' 1x19 with a Slim Lock. MOST beavers Dont fight hard.


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Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: Wade Lacey] #552242
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the ones i have ever seen snared on land havent been bad and i work for a fur buyer. and i also trap for them.


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Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: Deerehunter03] #552309
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Newt, I agree with you 100%. The real average is the true measure for a trapper.
Question for you trappers,
Why would a respected fur buyer with many years in the buisness and someone who works for an auction house both tell you the same thing?
I gain nothing by telling you the truth.
Cheers Jim

Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: gibb] #552322
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It seems to me when I read my auction results It tells me my highs amd It tells me my lows And It also tells me my AVERAGE so what's the difference between that and selling In the country.
At least in the acution print out It grades each and every piece of fur. When you go to the country buyer you get 3 or 4 piles of fur with no explantion on why just a monetary figure.
And then ther Is that pile that has no value and In most cases the unwary seller lets that fur buyer take It for nothing .
Most trappers don't understand how even slight damage effects the fur during the dressing process.


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Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: The Beav] #552378
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Gary I must be a real oddball in the fur bussiness. Just last night I had 2 coonhunters that came to my shop. One had never been here before. As I was grading the coon, I asked him to come stand next to me as I graded his fur. I board size all my coons, so the fellas can see the length of their coons. As I was grading his fur, I explained to him the quality , size and why each coon was thrown in it's respective pile. When I was done grading his coon I asked if he had any more questions about his grade and sizes. He once again wanted me to show him why I had paid 1.50 each on 2 xx sow coons. I then grabbed the 2 coon in question and grabbed a good furred coon and explained to him why the 2 big sow coon had been downgraded so badly. Both of thses coon were what I called suckling sow coon. They had big nipples and no fur, just guard hair on them. I then began to show him how the big sow coons did not have the nice silky underfur the other coons had. I also explained to him about the little whiteish looking guard hairs that extended all the way to the leather. I also explained to him about the leather being black and how the coon was robbed of it's protein from having the young to late in the season.
The 2 coon I threw out will grade no more than a no. III and more than likly a IV. The price on these coon to me will probably be anywhere from a buck to three bucks. Maybe a bit more ifin the buyers are real hungary for coon this yr. It is going to cost me a 1.50 to get the coons scraped and then my time boarding and removing the coons. I will make absolutly no money on those coon. He also had a very very small coon that mught stretch out as big as a xl rat. He received 50 cents for that coon. If the coon has any kind of holes in it, it will be worthless to me. If it happens to be a good coon, I might get a buck or so from it.
So as you see all buyers don't just throw coon in their respective piles and pay for them. I like my trappers and hunters to know what their fur is like as far as quality and size is concerned. Each and every piece of fur I throw out of a lot, whether it be in the grease or a fine finished pelt, will have an explanation to it. I know my fur and I darn sure ain'tafraid to show people what it is all about when grading the stuff.

Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: don Wolf] #552411
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Newt ifin ya read my post through, you will see that I said[ not every beaver you dryland snare is bad} Geesh you guys only read what you want to read sometimes.
Newt, as a rule of thumb, I do not like snared coon. Let us say this,. Newt I know from what I hear, that you are an expert at snaring. I do not doubt that you can put a snare on an animal and not damage the critter. I will go one step further and add Buzzard to your class of snare men. I don't know if you can or if you can't stop snare damage, I have never seen any of your pelts in the grease or finished, so I can't say yae or nay. There are professionals in the world that can work wonders with tools, I suspect you and Buz. are each very professional.
But let us say just for giggles here, that a lot of readers on this site are looking at this thread about snaring. 95% of these people will never reach the status that you and Buz. have reached in your snaring abilities. So let us go to the next step here.
This is supposed to be an informational site, is it not?
Well then what we might be doing is giving a lot of people the wrong idea about snaring animals. Just cause you can do it correct, does not mean that the average Joe in the field can do it the same way. I see way to much damage from snares, to tell all the trappers on this forum to just go out and set snares and every thing will be ok. That is false. Snaring takes a very special ability to do correct. If you are going to be a snareman or woman, then by all means do it correct.

Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: don Wolf] #552421
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BeaverBgone, to answer your question about neck snared beaver. No the neck snare is not likly to damage the beaver. It just depends on how many times he has crossed under the cable and drug it acrossed his back and how many times another beaver has attacked him, as to how much damage there is to his pelt.

Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: don Wolf] #552557
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Don you are the exception. Groney got his selling hole so high above the ground you can't even see your fur once you throw It up there. No individual grading there. Three piles and the out pile.


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Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: don Wolf] #552661
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 Originally Posted By: don Wolf
...It just depends on how many times he has crossed under the cable and drug it acrossed his back ...


Most of that needs explanation methinks.

Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: ] #552695
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Ahh now it's Mr. Wolf is it. And what the heck ya mean I don't get no lolipop! I have gotten very few lolipops im my life Buzzard and I really don't care for them.
The stuff I talk about on here is from personal experience, things I have seen in my bussiness as a furbuyer and as a trapper.
Anyway Buzzard, that is what makes us individuals. Like I said before, I have not seen your fur nor Newts fur and chances are, I never will. So who am I to say that your beaver has any kind of snare damage on them. I sallute you Sir, if you have found a way to not have snare damage. The only way it remotely works for me is the drowning device.
I am trying to figure a way to get coons down the drowners , with snares on them also.

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Interesting thread, Don care to share your drowning rig?

Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: Sliprig] #553509
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Buzzard the reason for a snare instead of a foothold is, thieves. I live in a pretty heavy population area.

Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: don Wolf] #553515
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a drawing of my drowning rig.

Instead of rebar, I use 3/8 cold roll 1018 steel. If you want to use rebar I suggest going to 1/2 in.

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Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: ] #553616
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Buzzard said "why use a snare and not a foothold when theres not much walkin envolved ?"
Altho this question was not directed to me. My answer would be.

Snares "to me" are the fastest and easy'st way to catch a beaver. When otters were bringing $100 or more, than what they were worth. I set a lot of body grips.Just by chance on getting that extra otter. Now with otters back down where they are suposed to be .I set mostly snares for beaver. I dont even own what most trappers would call a "Beaver Foot Hold"
Dont get me wrong.I will set for a otter on good sign.

Don, I guess I did jump the gun on you. But I get mad here'n people down'n snares all the time. WHEN they dont know what they are talk'n about.


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Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: ] #554138
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Newt my sincere apology about me making you think I was downing snares. I love snares. I sure as heck would never down them. I just think, if you use them, use them in the correct fashion.
I, me, myself and I and only myself,l no others included in this statement, do not know how to use a snare on dry land for catching beaver and raccoon without having some sort of snare damage on them.
I tried a new typ lock this yr. on raccoon, because a good friend , told me that I would not be able to find my snared coon amongst my foot trapped coon. I could tell very easy which were snared and the ones that were not snared. I will say this about the lock, it did help a good bit. I may have a learning curve to go through yet, I do not know if that is the case yet or not.
I have caught beaver on dry land and did not like my results. To put it simply, I guess I just don't know what I am doing.
Hail to the Kings of snaring!

Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: don Wolf] #554353
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snares catch me animals i otherwise would be unable to easily capture. i use a long extention cable to tie off, some are tangled on the bank and some are in the water swimming.

Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: TrapperJake] #554386
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i cant catch nothin with snares


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Re: Beavers held live in snares? [Re: coon scat] #554802
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Thanks Don, I picked-up 5 10ft lenghts of 1/2 rod cheap this week. Looks like I've got some welding to do. Plan on getting double duty out of them next year.

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