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Victor #4 Jump with teeth #5384603
01/25/16 04:13 PM
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Wondering what it would be worth?if not worth much I might just grind the teeth off.don't know how to add a picture from my phone.


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Re: Victor #4 Jump with teeth [Re: Coonriver] #5384623
01/25/16 04:24 PM
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A fairly common trap. Price will range from $15.00 to $35.00

Strength of springs
All complete
All original
Readability of the pan
No damage or mods

Pan should say # 14. A # 4 is the same size but no teeth.


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Re: Victor #4 Jump with teeth [Re: Coonriver] #5384686
01/25/16 05:19 PM
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Hang it on the wall or build it into a taxidermy project.


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Re: Victor #4 Jump with teeth [Re: Coonriver] #5400605
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Was wondering why no one told you that it is not a Victor.

Re: Victor #4 Jump with teeth [Re: pineywoods] #5401049
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Originally Posted By: pineywoods
Was wondering why no one told you that it is not a Victor.


Why is it not a Victor?


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Re: Victor #4 Jump with teeth [Re: wissmiss] #5401215
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The Oneida Community and later A. T. C. made several brands of traps and the Oneida Jump was one of them. Each brand stands on it own. They never made a Newhouse Victor, they never made a Hawley & Norton Victor and they sure never made an Oneida Jump Victor.

Re: Victor #4 Jump with teeth [Re: Coonriver] #5401253
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If it is not Victor, what does the big V cut into the middle of the pan stand for?

Re: Victor #4 Jump with teeth [Re: Okiecntry] #5401367
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Not 100% sure what it stands for, but i am 100% sure it does not stand for Victor. There never was a Victor trap co. An Oneida Jump is a brand of traps, Victor is a brand of traps, one trap cannot be both. They were made by O.C. or A.T.C. I have never been able to find anything stating what it stands for. All I have seen, is SEE THE V. Since there was no V in the pan of an Oneida Jump until the start of WW1. It could stand for VICTORY.

Re: Victor #4 Jump with teeth [Re: Coonriver] #5401380
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I'll bet it stands for "VERY"! The ones that I have are very good traps. grin


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Re: Victor #4 Jump with teeth [Re: nt2] #5401414
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You may have something there. They are about as good as you can get for wolverine. May need a better chain though.

Re: Victor #4 Jump with teeth [Re: Coonriver] #5401460
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The "V" cut into Victor and Oneida Jump traps is a trade mark registered by Oneida Community and later by Animal Trap Comp. of America when they bought out Oneida Community's trap business. Oneida Community applied for the trade mark on 7 Aug. 1909 and received the registration on 4 Jan. 1910. In the application for the trade mark Oneida Community stated that they had been using the "V" continuously since 1 Feb. 1909. Neither the application or the registration states what the "V" stands for. In 1910 after receiving their registration for the trade mark, Oneida Community started an advertising campaign with a logo that said "See the V". In my opinion the "V" stands for Victor but it is only a trade mark for the company (Oneida Community Or Animal Trap Comp.)not the brand (Victor or Oneida Jump).

Re: Victor #4 Jump with teeth [Re: Coonriver] #5401461
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Thanks for the education, Piney.

Re: Victor #4 Jump with teeth [Re: snakecollector] #5401589
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Again Victor never was a co. Why would the O.C. slight other and better brands of traps and use their inferior brand as a trademark. Makes no since to me. I am old enough to remember Bill Boards with a huge V for VICTORY in WW11. I have a huge book on what happened on the home front during WW11. there is many pages with a V and it is states that it stands for VICTORY. I have axes that state the same thing on them. I believe that the Oneida Community used it as a patriotic gesture before they registered it as a trademark. Why didn't they put a V in the pan of an Oneida Jump when they first registered it? And not wait until the start of WW1?

Re: Victor #4 Jump with teeth [Re: snakecollector] #5401971
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I thought i was through with The V, but i thought of this. The Oneida Community made Military items in WW1 & WW11. They were a Patriotic Company. Google images for V for victory WW1

Re: Victor #4 Jump with teeth [Re: Coonriver] #5402071
02/05/16 02:16 AM
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I copied this from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:

World War I (WWI or WW1), also known as the First World War, or the Great War, was a global war centred in Europe that began on 28 July 1914 and lasted until 11 November 1918.

That is almost 5 years after Oneida Community applied for the "V" trademark. The "V" trademark has to do with advertising, Oneida Community's Newhouse trap was the top of the line and needed little promotion. How ever the Victor trap as a quality trap at a lower price had a lot of competition. By far the majority of Oneida's trap advertising was for Victor traps.

Re: Victor #4 Jump with teeth [Re: snakecollector] #5402127
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You forget about the Spanish American War, 1898. If VICTORY had nothing to do with it, then they wouldn't have waited 10 years (the start of WW1) to put the V in an Oneida Jump.

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Re: Victor #4 Jump with teeth [Re: snakecollector] #5402668
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snakecollector states that the V stands for Victor, but not Victor trap. Sure would like to know where they got the word Victor, if it wasn't from their traps. If they got the name from their traps, then it stands for Victor trap. I still think they used it as a patriotic gesture and then decided to use it as a trademark.

Re: Victor #4 Jump with teeth [Re: snakecollector] #5403360
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Hope i am not running this into the ground. Could have put all i have said on one post if i had been thinking. Anyway some of the figures don't ad up. In the Parr & Andreski price guide it states that from 1890 to 1909 (19 years) the pan of a Victor had no V. And from 1909 to 1925 (16 years) they had a V in the pan. I have seen many more Oneida Community Victor traps with a V than without it. Going by their dates, !9 years with no V and 16 years with a V. it would should be the other way around. I will repeat myself again, i believe they used the V as a patriotic gustier before they registered it in 1909 and then put a V in the pan of the Oneida Jump at the start of WW1. (1914)

Re: Victor #4 Jump with teeth [Re: Coonriver] #5405029
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http://trappingsupplies.blogspot.com/2010/08/fascinating-history-of-oneida-traps.html


Doesn't explain the v on the pan but interesting history about Oneida Community.

Re: Victor #4 Jump with teeth [Re: Coonriver] #5405377
02/07/16 12:31 PM
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That's a good read fiftynine. Thanks

I just gotta add: A Victor jump will always be a Victor jump in my mind. "Hard to teach an old dog new tricks"

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