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#521790 - 01/16/08 10:26 AM Re: Human Scent [Re: Calvin]
Freepop Offline
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Registered: 05/09/07
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Loc: South Central Michigan
Charles, your my hero. I've had sets out for 3 weeks now and no canines. Tracks within 5 feet and on the downwind side. Maybe I need to get some chew.
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#521966 - 01/16/08 12:48 PM Re: Human Scent [Re: Freepop]
Asa Lenon Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 5937
Loc: Gulliver, Michigan
To think Freepop, canines within 5 feet of your sets that are right on location just like Charles' and still no results. Hmmmmm, there must be some other factors other than location to consider here!!!! Ace

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#521979 - 01/16/08 12:58 PM Re: Human Scent [Re: Asa Lenon]
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 11447
Loc: Kansas,32,6-1,220,B/B NS
3 weeks is a reasonable amount of time for excesive human scent to dissapate. he didnt say if it was ONE coyote, or AMNY coyotes that came by.

perhaps theyd just ate, arent interested, who knows. perhaps he was trailing another coyote, as its breeding season. any number of reasons

surely every set avoindance cant be pinned to improper scent control.

ANYBODY that traps much will tell you they notice coyotes that walk right on by your set and not work it.

IF THE COYOTE detected human odor, or something astray, i dont think theyd totally IGNORE the set. they would eitehr investigate the set, but not get right on the pattern, or would abdruptly change thier line of travel.

from my limited calling experiance, i have seen coyotes pick up my wind, and stop, and immediatly change thier line of travel. usally at a high rate of speed.

i ahve seen coyotes come to as et, stop, pace, and walk on.


so for one to just walk by makes me think he was pre-occupied.

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#522004 - 01/16/08 01:24 PM Re: Human Scent [Re: CharlesKS]
Asa Lenon Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 5937
Loc: Gulliver, Michigan
Charles KS writes...surely every set avoindance cant be pinned to improper scent control.

Absolutely correct Charles BUT neither can it be discounted as a possibility to consider, especially in Freepop's Michigan region. Ace

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#522009 - 01/16/08 01:31 PM Re: Human Scent [Re: CharlesKS]
MNcooner Offline
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Registered: 10/20/07
Posts: 3395
Loc: MN, just north of Sodom
Does the way your set LOOKS have anything to do with it?

Just wondering if the scent issue isn't the only thing to worry about and maybe the actual construction of the set doesn't get enough attention.

The only reason I ask is I hear guys all the time saying things like they tried 50 different variations of sets until they hit on something good. Going through the same thing now in my quest to get a coyote in a foothold. I have what I think is good scent control, rubber everything, traps boiled and waxed, etc. Good, proven lures. I'm on location with yotes circling or walking by 2 nights out of the 4 that the traps have been out. But maybe my sets just don't have "the look". Something I guess I'll have to play with a LOT.

If the thing just doesn't look "right" to a critter I wonder if that has more of an impact than scent sometimes.

And yes, I'm new at this so maybe I'm way off base. Go ahead and laugh me off the thread. I can take it.

Good topic that has been argued before about a million times but I like the discussion.
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#522024 - 01/16/08 01:43 PM Re: Human Scent [Re: MNcooner]
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 11447
Loc: Kansas,32,6-1,220,B/B NS
Free pop and MNcooner...

out of curiosity, what are you using for backing at your sets?

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#522025 - 01/16/08 01:44 PM Re: Human Scent [Re: MNcooner]
Freepop Offline
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Registered: 05/09/07
Posts: 1595
Loc: South Central Michigan


By the looks of it, one maybe two coyotes and at least two red fox.

I try eye appeal at one set and flat or scent post near by. I'm in southern MI, there's a good amount of human traffic and urban sprawl. Lure's are Gusto, Lennon's Nature call, Fox urine, GL40, Windwalker (June's), and a muskrat carcase.

Is that too much for one set? \:D \:D \:D


Charles, I have one hay set and a flat, a dirt hole and a flat, a blind and dirt hole and flat, at 3 different locations (miles apart).


Edited by Freepop (01/16/08 01:46 PM)
Edit Reason: answered Charles
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#522029 - 01/16/08 01:46 PM Re: Human Scent [Re: CharlesKS]
MNcooner Offline
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Loc: MN, just north of Sodom
Charles I'm using Blak's snow set, small piece of hale bale for backing, chopped hay for cover.

Problem is digging out all the snow to get to ground to make the set, stands out like a sore thumb.

If we could get a little dusting of snow I would think it would look a lot more natural.

Just trying to keep something working in this cold is hard enough. Trying to get your first yote in it is a bit of a challenge.
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#522036 - 01/16/08 01:52 PM Re: Human Scent [Re: Freepop]
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 11447
Loc: Kansas,32,6-1,220,B/B NS
Scent post sets are the most in-consitant set ive ever made.

unlike a dirthole, or even a flat set (which a flat set really isnt much different than a scent post set if you think about it), anyway, scent post sets dont get "worked" liek a dirthoole.

the whole point, IMO of a dirthole, is to make it difficult for the coyote to get to the attractor (bait, lure) OR, to keep his curiosirty peaked untill he gets caught, WHICH, and heres the lesson, KEEPS THERE FEET MOVING.

Think how a scent post set gets worked. one step, a sniff of the gland lure, and if he chosses to urinate, you might get one more foot near the trap.

At dirtholes, and to some extent a flat set with food attractors, you get the coyote WANTING to eat the attractor. he thinks its food, but cant see it, so what does he do? MOVES HIS FEET looking for it. Is there a grass plug or wad of sheeps wool in the hole? now he thijnks THATS the food, and 9 times out of 10 will probably try to dig it up out of the whole, all the time moving his feet around the pan.

Ill tell you this, i know how to make scent posts, and yes, people certainly catch coyotes with them. I dont. ive made them over and over, and they never connect. all the same time the dirtholes over there are nailing the coyotes.

As for backing, since i brought it up, i PREFER to NOT import a backing. yes, a strange rock may peak ones interest as something different, buy, IF I CAN, ill use a backing thats allread in place, a tuft of grass, a wed line on a field edge, but if its a hot location on smooth flat ground, ill bring in a backing. but ive noticed, if i can use a permanent backing, i get catches quicker.

this is all, just MY OPINION, from my experiances

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#522052 - 01/16/08 02:03 PM Re: Human Scent [Re: CharlesKS]
MNcooner Offline
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Loc: MN, just north of Sodom
Keep talking, I'm listening.
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#522068 - 01/16/08 02:11 PM Re: Human Scent [Re: MNcooner]
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 11447
Loc: Kansas,32,6-1,220,B/B NS
cant give it all away...save some for the video ;\)

lol

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#522083 - 01/16/08 02:19 PM Re: Human Scent [Re: CharlesKS]
Freepop Offline
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Registered: 05/09/07
Posts: 1595
Loc: South Central Michigan
Unfortunately, I haven't been able to view any videos. Some reason it shuts down my internet connection. Maybe because suspected porn.
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#522100 - 01/16/08 02:24 PM Re: Human Scent [Re: Freepop]
CharlesKS Offline


Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 11447
Loc: Kansas,32,6-1,220,B/B NS
no, these would be DVD or VHS ;\)

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#522116 - 01/16/08 02:29 PM Re: Human Scent [Re: CharlesKS]
Asa Lenon Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 5937
Loc: Gulliver, Michigan
Natural looking sets certainly are more productive than unnatural ones. Its just another factor to consider but definitely isn't a reason for 100% set denial. As Charles already pointed out, he caught several coyotes in gaudy unnatural appearing cat sets. I think possibly the sets appearance has a certain degree of importance depending upon the same variables as the human and foreign scent issue being that it varies in importance from region to region depending upon the coyote's conditioning. As I always have told my past students over the years, don't try to second guess whether a detail has significance in any given situation or not, rather practice thoroughness at all sets at all times. It is in my opinion what separates the average trapper from the legends in most every area. Ace

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#522118 - 01/16/08 02:31 PM Re: Human Scent [Re: Asa Lenon]
CharlesKS Offline


Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 11447
Loc: Kansas,32,6-1,220,B/B NS
 Originally Posted By: Asa Lenon
don't try to second guess


EXACTLY Asa. I agree 100%.

get to the spot, make the set, and move on. standing there looking it over, only makes you question your set, and piddle daddle. make the set, move on.

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#522132 - 01/16/08 02:39 PM Re: Human Scent [Re: CharlesKS]
MNcooner Offline
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Registered: 10/20/07
Posts: 3395
Loc: MN, just north of Sodom
keep it coming
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#522135 - 01/16/08 02:39 PM Re: Human Scent [Re: Asa Lenon]
LT GREY Offline
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Registered: 04/09/07
Posts: 16092
Loc: Central Ohio
"Thank You Kansas Charlie": Billfrank
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha.........(and to think, I was the only one to call him that)! ;\)



Hey Charlie, I'm going to do Andy S. one better. I'm going to take a trap right out of the box and set it bare handed and bare footed and catch a coyote......and if it isn't too cold, maybe I'll do it naked!
Now...who wants to film it? \:D
Hahahahahaha Hey Andy.......?

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#522142 - 01/16/08 02:42 PM Re: Human Scent [Re: LT GREY]
CharlesKS Offline


Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 11447
Loc: Kansas,32,6-1,220,B/B NS
it can be done.

andy sent me some sterlings to try, that he used, and were all rusted. i just set them the way they were, all dirty, and started cacthing coyotes with them..not one was ever dug up.

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#522146 - 01/16/08 02:45 PM Re: Human Scent [Re: LT GREY]
Andy S
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 Originally Posted By: LT GREY
Hey Charlie, I'm going to do Andy S. one better. I'm going to take a trap right out of the box and set it bare handed and bare footed and catch a coyote......and if it isn't too cold, maybe I'll do it naked!
Now...who wants to film it? \:D
Hahahahahaha Hey Andy.......?


Yea I'll be over........ you said you're what 3-4 hours away??? Name the day.

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#522152 - 01/16/08 02:46 PM Re: Human Scent [Re: CharlesKS]
MNcooner Offline
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Loc: MN, just north of Sodom
 Originally Posted By: CharlesKS
 Originally Posted By: Asa Lenon
don't try to second guess


standing there looking it over, only makes you question your set, and piddle daddle.


Oy. that's me to a "T".
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