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Employee - Contractors #5167994 08/21/15 08:18 PM 08/21/15 08:18 PM
Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 25 Michigan DaveK OP trapper
DaveK OP trapper Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 25 Michigan	Just wanted to set up a general discussion regarding the topic. What's the difference? Why is it important to classify correctly? Benefits of each? https://propestmen.com/ohio https://www.crittercatchersinc.com https://www.wildlifecontrolhelpline.com

Re: Employee - Contractors [Re: DaveK] #5168018 08/21/15 08:28 PM 08/21/15 08:28 PM
Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 188 California T Throw Back trapper
Throw Back trapper T Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 188 California	The irs has a section about this but some examples of some differences. A contractor is often assigned a job at a price and he will do it as he sees fit. He will usually provide his own equipment and work on his schedule. You do not have to pay taxes and oftentimes do not insure them. An employees usually works for you. Working on your time, doing thebjob how you demand, dressing like you want, follow i ng your procedures. Its about control. Contractors are financially better, but I always feel like I need more control

Re: Employee - Contractors [Re: DaveK] #5168023 08/21/15 08:32 PM 08/21/15 08:32 PM
Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 188 California T Throw Back trapper
Throw Back trapper T Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 188 California	Also, a contractor may not be obligated to you. Like, you remove wildlife from an attic, but hire out to have the attic done, paying that person or his company, but the job is being run through you. He doesn't work just for you And tomorrow he can contract with someone else, where you would necessarily allow an employee to

Re: Employee - Contractors [Re: DaveK] #5168034 08/21/15 08:42 PM 08/21/15 08:42 PM
Joined: Jun 2013 Posts: 95 Florida B bjansma trapper
bjansma trapper B Joined: Jun 2013 Posts: 95 Florida	I feel pretty strongly about this one. Contractor status is usually for employers trying to shift liability or responsibility that they shouldn't be allowed to shift. You don't need to withhold taxes and carry workman's comp on a contractor. Usually that is the motivation. Contractor status can be challenged(its usually not, unless something bad happens and there needs to be a discussion about who pays) I think a lot of people live with a false sense of security that "they're contractors, I'm safe" but they are just one accident away from finding out they really had employees instead of contractors. Running a business is a trust and a responsibility- to your customers, and employees. I don't think contractor status cuts it. Bob Jansma

Re: Employee - Contractors [Re: DaveK] #5168047 08/21/15 08:49 PM 08/21/15 08:49 PM
Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 25 Michigan DaveK OP trapper
DaveK OP trapper Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 25 Michigan	Bob....I agree. It's a competitive advantage....until you get burned. https://workingclassstudies.wordpress.co...-of-employment/ Last edited by DaveK; 08/21/15 08:50 PM. https://propestmen.com/ohio https://www.crittercatchersinc.com https://www.wildlifecontrolhelpline.com

Re: Employee - Contractors [Re: bjansma] #5168228 08/21/15 10:32 PM 08/21/15 10:32 PM
Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 30 St. Louis area D Dave Schmidt trapper
Dave Schmidt trapper D Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 30 St. Louis area	Originally Posted By: bjansma I feel pretty strongly about this one. Contractor status is usually for employers trying to shift liability or responsibility that they shouldn't be allowed to shift. You don't need to withhold taxes and carry workman's comp on a contractor. Usually that is the motivation. Contractor status can be challenged(its usually not, unless something bad happens and there needs to be a discussion about who pays) I think a lot of people live with a false sense of security that "they're contractors, I'm safe" but they are just one accident away from finding out they really had employees instead of contractors. Running a business is a trust and a responsibility- to your customers, and employees. I don't think contractor status cuts it. Years ago, I worked for The Nation's Largest Wildlife Control Company. The boss wanted to turn most of his employees into sub's. Really pushed it. I don't think anybody actually took the chance. Knowing the situation, his already-poor quality control would've taken a nose dive, and he'd have been run out of town. ALL OUT Wildlife Control

Re: Employee - Contractors [Re: DaveK] #5168652 08/22/15 11:21 AM 08/22/15 11:21 AM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,361 mequon, wisconsin P Paul Winkelmann trapper
Paul Winkelmann trapper P Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,361 mequon, wisconsin	Dave, if your boss was the one I've met, I kind of liked him. He had one of the largest wildlife businesses in the country in the St. Louis area. Back then there was just my wife and I so we were in awe of everyone. That was a fantastic wildlife cruise that we really enjoyed. Our family wants to cruise the mediterranean next. That will cost an arm and two legs. But, if we made it a wildlife cruise, we could write most of it off.

Re: Employee - Contractors [Re: DaveK] #5168667 08/22/15 11:41 AM 08/22/15 11:41 AM
Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 843 NH S sgs trapper
sgs trapper S Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 843 NH	What is the cost of an employee over a sub-contractor? I know the employer must pay approximately 7.65% on payroll taxes along with workman's comp and liability insurance. What's the average cost of the insurance? Assuming the number of employees is below the threshold for the ACA to kick in, what other costs does the employer incur?

Re: Employee - Contractors [Re: DaveK] #5168671 08/22/15 11:49 AM 08/22/15 11:49 AM
Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 188 California T Throw Back trapper
Throw Back trapper T Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 188 California	Steve Idk what the averages are, but for insurance, work comp, license, and the bookkeeper to do payroll for my employee is about $2200 a year BEFORE I pay him a nickel, not to mention tax contributions. Other cost? Uniform, equipment, safety gear, paying him while training, fixing his mistakes. What's the cost of headaches and ulcers?

Re: Employee - Contractors [Re: DaveK] #5168675 08/22/15 11:52 AM 08/22/15 11:52 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 8,349 NWWA/AZ Vinke trapper
Vinke trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 8,349 NWWA/AZ	Arizona is mostly 1099 and you cover the gas........... Slightly used Shoes 4 sale……………

Re: Employee - Contractors [Re: DaveK] #5168680 08/22/15 11:55 AM 08/22/15 11:55 AM
Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 843 NH S sgs trapper
sgs trapper S Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 843 NH	So if you're looking at a 40hr./50wk. employee, your talking about $1.10/hour plus payroll tax?

Re: Employee - Contractors [Re: DaveK] #5168724 08/22/15 12:54 PM 08/22/15 12:54 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,361 mequon, wisconsin P Paul Winkelmann trapper
Paul Winkelmann trapper P Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,361 mequon, wisconsin	If I hired subcontractors who paid their own Health Insurance, Liability, Vehicle, and Workman's Comp, I would only save $64,501.00 a year on insurance alone, so it's hardly worthwhile.

Re: Employee - Contractors [Re: DaveK] #5168731 08/22/15 01:00 PM 08/22/15 01:00 PM
Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 25 Michigan DaveK OP trapper
DaveK OP trapper Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 25 Michigan	Health is optional til you hit Obama threadhold. Anyone read it, yet? Lol Last edited by DaveK; 08/22/15 01:06 PM. https://propestmen.com/ohio https://www.crittercatchersinc.com https://www.wildlifecontrolhelpline.com

Re: Employee - Contractors [Re: DaveK] #5168734 08/22/15 01:01 PM 08/22/15 01:01 PM
Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 25 Michigan DaveK OP trapper
DaveK OP trapper Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 25 Michigan	Unemployment is what $5k year depending on the state? https://propestmen.com/ohio https://www.crittercatchersinc.com https://www.wildlifecontrolhelpline.com

Re: Employee - Contractors [Re: DaveK] #5168762 08/22/15 01:41 PM 08/22/15 01:41 PM
Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 843 NH S sgs trapper
sgs trapper S Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 843 NH	Thanks Dave. After looking it up, it looks like it's a 2.2% tax here in NH with a wage base of $14,000. I think that ends up being $308.

Re: Employee - Contractors [Re: DaveK] #5168781 08/22/15 02:06 PM 08/22/15 02:06 PM
Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 25 Michigan DaveK OP trapper
DaveK OP trapper Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 25 Michigan	One of the big things...it seems would be if you provide the equipment. If you provide ladders...trucks..... https://propestmen.com/ohio https://www.crittercatchersinc.com https://www.wildlifecontrolhelpline.com

Re: Employee - Contractors [Re: DaveK] #5168783 08/22/15 02:09 PM 08/22/15 02:09 PM
Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 25 Michigan DaveK OP trapper
DaveK OP trapper Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 25 Michigan	Steve...yeah...I was way off. There's federal unemployment too...but it's less. So you might be looking at a total of $450 or so. Last edited by DaveK; 08/22/15 02:10 PM. https://propestmen.com/ohio https://www.crittercatchersinc.com https://www.wildlifecontrolhelpline.com

Re: Employee - Contractors [Re: DaveK] #5168795 08/22/15 02:21 PM 08/22/15 02:21 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,361 mequon, wisconsin P Paul Winkelmann trapper
Paul Winkelmann trapper P Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,361 mequon, wisconsin	It's not that much, Dave. Our last two vehicles with caps, ladder racks, and new ladders, only set us back about $40,000 apiece. But they're pick-ups, so they also get crappy gas mileage and there is never enough room. And what you already have loaded is never easy to get at. If some company were smart enough to put a cab in a van, the pick-up would be a thing of the past.

Re: Employee - Contractors [Re: DaveK] #5168799 08/22/15 02:25 PM 08/22/15 02:25 PM
Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 25 Michigan DaveK OP trapper
DaveK OP trapper Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 25 Michigan	True...its only $40k https://propestmen.com/ohio https://www.crittercatchersinc.com https://www.wildlifecontrolhelpline.com

Re: Employee - Contractors [Re: DaveK] #5168801 08/22/15 02:27 PM 08/22/15 02:27 PM
Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 25 Michigan DaveK OP trapper
DaveK OP trapper Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 25 Michigan	I think your $64k answer has to be close. https://propestmen.com/ohio https://www.crittercatchersinc.com https://www.wildlifecontrolhelpline.com

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