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A little mole advice needed #5148564
08/05/15 12:17 PM
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So I've caught a few moles, using OOS traps, but they were on established tunnels. This job however, is something I haven't run into in my brief time doing this. There are very few defined tunnels, but just huge upturns of earth. When I investigated them, they pretty well go down at a sharp angle, with no horizontal tunnels connecting them. Where would you all recommend setting in this situation?




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Re: A little mole advice needed [Re: _fletch_] #5148686
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I would look for the straightest line of mounds with the freshest dirt and set back at least two feet away from the last mound. You will be in between the last mound and next to last mound. They will be deep in most cases. JMO. Good Luck

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Re: A little mole advice needed [Re: _fletch_] #5148800
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Probe between the mounds to find the horizontal mole runs you're looking for. Good situation to use Steve Albano's mole traps instead of the OOS. Extreme temps in the summer or winter forces earthworms, larvae, insects deeper in the soil, thus these deeper runs vs. the surface feed runs. Mounds are the result of moles excavating these deeper feeding runs aside from the angled runs you mention leading to their dens.

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Re: A little mole advice needed [Re: _fletch_] #5148962
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It takes a lot of work to dig those deep tunnels....so they used them frequently. At least, that is what a mole told me.

Re: A little mole advice needed [Re: _fletch_] #5149071
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Thanks guys. So will they come back up and out of that mound again? Or is that basically only an entry mound? I'll have to check out that Albano trap. Right now I have OOS's, and some No-mol traps. Anyone have any success with the No-mol's? I haven't yet, and I like the quick indication that the Victors have fired. Appreciate the input.

Re: A little mole advice needed [Re: _fletch_] #5149099
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I got my first mole with a No-Mole today, but it was real dry sandy soil. The mole should have not even been using that run. That is why I was using it. For those deep run's Steve traps work great. When it cools down and the food source comes to the top of the ground the moles will be making surface runs. They follow the food source. I find if I leave the OOS in the ground and it rains they are hard for the mole to trip. I have filed the pan edge down so the pan does not have to move very far before it trips.


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Re: A little mole advice needed [Re: _fletch_] #5149171
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When they go deep, they need a place to push the dirt out to make room. Have you ever noticed how they backfill the hole to the surface so predators don't find them? The tunnel to the surface is often on a diagonal.

Re: A little mole advice needed [Re: _fletch_] #5149507
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IMO There will be shallow runs. You've just gotta find them...


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Re: A little mole advice needed [Re: _fletch_] #5149580
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I use a 3/8" T-bar to find the voids (tunnels).


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Re: A little mole advice needed [Re: _fletch_] #5149590
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Like others have said, that mound is basically a vent shaft. Too deep to push the sod up, so they must get the dirt out of their way. When the vent becomes too far from where they're digging, they plug it with dirt and dig a new vent. So then you can use the mounds to connect the dots to determine the direction of travel. Typically the bigger the mound the deeper the run. Often the giant mounds are in dry conditions. You have two options then, dig down to the run, or water to bring the moles back to the surface.


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Re: A little mole advice needed [Re: G Hanold] #5149685
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Originally Posted By: G Hanold
Like others have said, that mound is basically a vent shaft. Too deep to push the sod up, so they must get the dirt out of their way. When the vent becomes too far from where they're digging, they plug it with dirt and dig a new vent. So then you can use the mounds to connect the dots to determine the direction of travel. Typically the bigger the mound the deeper the run. Often the giant mounds are in dry conditions. You have two options then, dig down to the run, or water to bring the moles back to the surface.
It rained last night. Caught this one on one of the few shallow runs I found yesterday. Had another trap fired with no catch, and discovered some new activity. It's not a huge area, so this may have been the only mole, but I'll give it a few more days.




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Re: A little mole advice needed [Re: _fletch_] #5151401
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As was said above, water the soil to bring the food back to the surface. The moles will follow the food.

Nomols are good traps. I use them mostly in sandy soils, but seem to be using them more and more over Steve's traps in other soils too. Steve makes a great trap though! I think the advantage is there isn't a bottom on the trap so it doesn't have to be bedded. I use the back of my trowel to open up the tunnel. With Steve's I use a couple of fingers.

Re: A little mole advice needed [Re: _fletch_] #5151498
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I catch moles often from tunnels around dirt mounds...typically the tunnel is offset from one side of the mound...i use a 2 foot long screwdriver to probe with...skinny and smooth so pushes in easy

I use oos exclusively and have no problem catchin moles a foot or more deep in them

Re: A little mole advice needed [Re: _fletch_] #5151620
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Tons of good advice that is consistent w/ my experience. Another thing to do is kick the toos off and then look for tge freshest mound on the mext time through- find the horizontal connection and set there.


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Re: A little mole advice needed [Re: _fletch_] #5157598
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A friend of mine told me the mounds are the result of a male digging a breeding chamber.. but he's also told me some other "tales" that have never proved out.
That said, we've had tones of rain this summer (like 5 inches in one week) but I don't see the tell tale tunnels as I did last year.
Gonna see what I can do with the "connect the dots" method. I caught 8 of the little demons last year and still have 3 or 4 creating havoc around here.

Thanks for the tips!


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Re: A little mole advice needed [Re: _fletch_] #5157674
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I picked up one more mole a couple days ago in the exact same location as the first one, so I guess that was a main travel tunnel. All new activity has ceased since then, so I pulled all the traps today. Never did connect on the deep runs, but it was still good experience. Thanks for all the advice!

Re: A little mole advice needed [Re: ShawneeMan] #5158860
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Originally Posted By: ShawneeMan
A friend of mine told me the mounds are the result of a male digging a breeding chamber.. but he's also told me some other "tales" that have never proved out.
That said, we've had tones of rain this summer (like 5 inches in one week) but I don't see the tell tale tunnels as I did last year.
Gonna see what I can do with the "connect the dots" method. I caught 8 of the little demons last year and still have 3 or 4 creating havoc around here.

Thanks for the tips!


Definitely not on the breeding chamber thing...mounds are created when digging deeper horizontal tunnels...they have to put the dirt somewhere

Re: A little mole advice needed [Re: _fletch_] #5158896
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lol !!!!!!!!!!! Does your friend drink a bit ? Answer is: What TRapper said. Displaced dirt from deep runs


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Re: A little mole advice needed [Re: _fletch_] #5158945
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Correct, dirt from the deep tunneling.


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Re: A little mole advice needed [Re: _fletch_] #5159717
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I also always use my finger to push down through the top of small mounds as sometimes the tunnel is right underneath of the mound...did that yesterday and pulled a mole up with it

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