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Re: Sweet Deal On Rabies Shots [Re: Paul Winkelmann] #5063706
05/28/15 04:39 PM
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I did Paul. Cross the border and suddenly it's not Socialism and not wrong?? Stinks the same in my sight. Among other examples, it's hard watching a friend pay thousands for their sick kid while another parent grins and says it's free for her. Everyone should pay for what they have/use/etc.

Anyhow, will check with the local Humane Society about this. Me and my Drahthaar are into critters all year long. We've both been bit by many species. I do 99% of my own vet and doc work. Worry the most about feral cats and coons. Distemper more than rabies. Have dealt with a few emaciated, stumbling coons over the years. Not common yet not rare enough for my liking.


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Re: Sweet Deal On Rabies Shots [Re: Paul Winkelmann] #5063824
05/28/15 06:24 PM
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I systematically get bitten by all sorts of things, Sure is nice having a dad as an ER doc! I get mine for free. grin


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Re: Sweet Deal On Rabies Shots [Re: Paul Winkelmann] #5064093
05/28/15 09:53 PM
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I'm sure that I get bitten more than the average lunatic and I sure hope that all those animals that bit me went to a vet and got

treated. Can you imagine how much damage I could do to the animal kingdom?

Re: Sweet Deal On Rabies Shots [Re: Paul Winkelmann] #5065816
05/30/15 03:25 PM
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Ha ha, Wink!
Dirk, my wife/sometimes assistant - you've met her - was covered for post ex shots by our Worker's Comp. Can't speak for all programs, but this is coverage I would certainly expect of insurance.


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Re: Sweet Deal On Rabies Shots [Re: Paul Winkelmann] #5068941
06/01/15 09:54 PM
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This is for Justin and all the rest of you guys that know the proper procedure. One of our guys got bit by a lactating female raccoon

today. He took the animal into the Humane Society to be tested. What happens next? I probably get bit like that every year but I've

never taken an animal in for testing and I'm interested in what's supposed to happen next. I really would like to know!

Re: Sweet Deal On Rabies Shots [Re: Paul Winkelmann] #5069340
06/02/15 08:27 AM
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Paul,

Unless Justin says otherwise, my understanding is that each State has it's own protocol for "what's supposed to happen next" within some very basic guidelines.

Starting with the testing, in Ohio it is the Health Department that is responsible for testing, not the Humane Society (this isn't to say that our Health Department won't hire an outside company for certain testing processes, just that they are the responsible agency to make sure testing happens.) They file an annual report with the CDC for animal bites the previous year along with how many animals were tested, breakdown of species, and number that tested positive for rabies.

Here is how it would work for a business in Ohio. Your technician gets bit, you capture the animal and submit it for testing to the health department (or their designated testing facility) and file a report. Then you file a worker's comp claim for the bite to protect yourself from a lawsuit. If the animal comes back positive, your technician starts the post exposure treatment, if it comes back negative no further action is required. If you were unable to have the animal tested for whatever reason, you'd have the tech start the post exposure treatment anyway.

Since you've filed a workers comp claim, you will get audited by WC to ensure everyone is classified properly and you've been paying the proper amounts. Additionally, expect your rates to increase for at least several years because you are now considered a "risk" company. If the tech had to be administered shots, you may even get a call/visit from OSHA (although I don't know anyone that this has happened to, it is still a possibility as you need to file the report with the health department regardless). OSHA would then investigate the accident and inspect the business (training programs, PPE, reporting requirements, etc). This would either lead to a "make these changes" citation or actual fines. For those businesses not covered by WC, they would need to pay all medical expenses for their employee at a minimum and probably consult with a lawyer for what they need to do to protect themselves. For those that don't file a report, not only are they at risk from the bitten employee (keep in mind that just because the employee is great and would never sure you, it isn't the same for their family who hears about all the money your making especially if something would happen to the employee that may be traced back to this issue), they are also at risk for fines from the state.


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Re: Sweet Deal On Rabies Shots [Re: Paul Winkelmann] #5070041
06/02/15 05:06 PM
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Thanks Eric, that is just about what I thought. Our tech's doctor insisted that he get one of seven or eight expensive shots

immediately and I didn't think that was protocol. We have never had a raccoon test positive for rabies and I guess the doctor didn't

want to lose a chance to screw us over. If my info is correct I'm sure I'll have more on this later.

Re: Sweet Deal On Rabies Shots [Re: DuxDawg] #5070083
06/02/15 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted By: DuxDawg
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Man you guys sure pay for that sort of thing , I got post exposure shots for free grin
No, not free. The government charged everyone a part of the outrageous fee. Rather than grinning, you should be ashamed. Some people just don't get it.


Why should I be ashamed that I reside in a place where previous leadership saw the benifets of a health care system run in the manner we have here ?

Are you insinuating I'm some kind of leach on the system ? If so don't worry the taxes I pay every year more then make up for my use of our Canadian healthcare system the once in a blue moon I need to use it .


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Re: Sweet Deal On Rabies Shots [Re: Paul Winkelmann] #5070695
06/03/15 07:26 AM
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Paul,

I'm amazed at the number of doctors that aren't even familiar with CDC recommendations. The CDC guideline is that rabies is an urgency, not an emergency so provided testing can be done it is better to wait for the results.

There are two areas here that I've discovered over the years. The first is what our doctors are being taught in medical school, the second is treatment based on legal protection instead of medical knowledge.

I remember talking with a doctor in residency who was treating one of my kids about 10 years ago. He had been out of med school about a year/year and a half and once he found out what I did we started discussing rabies. I had to inform him that rabies is not passed by urine or feces and referred him to the CDC for verification. His response was that he had been taught in med school that it was transmitted in urine and feces (and I've worked with many doctors, including infection disease specialists that believed this as well). If this one thing is being taught incorrectly, just image all of the other updated information that is being left out of a doctor's education (or don't, as it may keep you up at night).


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Re: Sweet Deal On Rabies Shots [Re: Paul Winkelmann] #5070981
06/03/15 12:29 PM
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In my experience, (some time ago), The Humane Society will only confine an animal for a 10 day observation, not an actual brain test, because they'd "Have to kill it". County Health does an actual test.


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Re: Sweet Deal On Rabies Shots [Re: Paul Winkelmann] #5071801
06/04/15 01:38 AM
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Paul,

Have been swamped too much for T'man lately (imagine that!).

Eric fielded this well and I'll just add some thoughts and color from other aspects and some of the same.

First, Eric is right that every state is different, heck even counties can be different, though they are supposed to follow the state health department.

If the animal is available as Eric said generally they would hold off on the shots until confirmation which is rapid in terms of knowing positive or negative.

In terms of strain of rabies that "typing" analysis is done at CDC after the state lab sends it out to them.

In most states there is an authority agency that will do the testing in state, if you get bit in a county, they generally ship the animal immediately to the state
lab for testing.

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In terms of the animals behavior, if for example you were hiking and the same raccoon jumped out and climbed your leg and bit you, they would likely just start
the shots immediately based on the behavior being "likely rabid."

If however you have any other scenario and certainly the human provoked kind where your bitten while trying to grab an animal, they are going to test it just as
a precaution.

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In terms of conspiracy about wanting people to spend money on worthless shots, I'd say in most cases folks are just following whatever protocol is in place in their
state or in their hospital, etc....

When folks have questions they shoot to me from the public I always counsel them to go to the county health department or the state for rabies questions.

Simply put as Eric mentioned doctors through no fault of their own are sincerely and woefully lacking in zoonotic disease risk unless they had a specialty class or
decided to focus on infectious diseases in med school.

I believe one doc told me they did 1 day on wildlife related diseases during his education.

When my wife was dealing with illness and we had just been on multiple field projects with serious blood, necropsy and parasite exposure, we asked the doc to test
her for a variety of things.

He literally had to blow the dust off of a thick book on his shelf to know what he needed to do and what samples and also to know what the disease was we were asking
about.

I have had multiple experiences like that with her and doctors and it never ceases to make us lose a bit of faith that anything is going to come of it or that they 'd have a clue
what they are looking for.

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Some docs will overreact, others will not know which in my book can be worse.

On another case from years back a young park service biologist who was tracking mountain lion died after being sent home as having the "flu" by his local doctor. Days later
folks found him dead in bed from something (pneumonic plague) that if caught would have been a survival story versus a fatality.

Though cases where folks instigate the bite are obviously more common and more logically not rabies, one can never know if the animal was carrying rabies and was in the stages
where the bite could inoculate the victim.

So I definitely understand your concerns about someone overreacting and costing tons of money, but I think understanding the policy is important in each of our individual states
and more importantly to have a good relationship with your primary care docs so that you know they know what you are exposed to on a daily basis.

Good topic.

Justin

Re: Sweet Deal On Rabies Shots [Re: Paul Winkelmann] #5072137
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You're right, Justin, this is a great topic. My general practitioner is also a customer. He understands our business enough to

realize that I know more about animal related diseases than he does. And that this isn't because I'm smarter than he is, but that

it's because I get the opportunity to read about it a lot more than he does. When P.J. got bit by the pit bull, the first thing he

did was to call a doctor that knew about rabies shots and get the scoop. That's why we have specialists; so that doctors don't have

to guess about our health.

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