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Re: Guns for coyote control [Re: Throw Back] #4809024
12/21/14 09:26 AM
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Why under 300yds? Pretty sure my 223 has made marks further out than that...

Re: Guns for coyote control [Re: Brother Dave] #4809265
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Originally Posted By: Brother Dave
Why under 300yds? Pretty sure my 223 has made marks further out than that...


that's because there is range, then there is effective range. I know few people who can consistently hit 400 shots well enough for me yo bet customer satisfaction on. A missed dog while hunting is no big deal, but while doing ADC is. Then the customer isnt happy.

Re: Guns for coyote control [Re: Throw Back] #4810710
12/22/14 01:02 AM
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Not to mention energy.

.223 is running out of terminal gas at 300-400 yards.

I shoot a LOT of coyotes with a .22-250 (tad more muscle than the .223), and at 400 yards, youre shot had better be well placed.

The .22 centerfires are really 400 yard guns. External and terminal ballistics just get real touchy at those ranges and beyond.

Re: Guns for coyote control [Re: Throw Back] #4810714
12/22/14 01:05 AM
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Exactly, effective range! I've made plenty of long range shots but I have missed even more. Yes you can't make ridiculous shots if you don't try them and you can't test terminal ballistics either. But you don't do that stuff on a paying job either.


it is not a stupid question if you do not know the answer
Re: Guns for coyote control [Re: Throw Back] #4810753
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Originally Posted By: Throw Back
How often or when would you choose a firearm over trapping. I haven't had a coyote call yet, but collarums are about $75 a piece, bullets about 50 cents.


Rifles are usually my first and last choice.

Get a call, check it out. If theres a LOT of sign, go right to traps and start taking em down a few pegs. Probably do some calling just because I love calling.

If its a place ive already trapped/called/snared extensively not long ago, I know its probably only a coyote or two causing the problem. Ill go in and call, if I kill em im done. If not, set some traps and wait it out.

If its a place im currently or recently trapped, and I know I got a few hold outs that are on to my game, go to the rifles.

Just another tool.

Re: Guns for coyote control [Re: Throw Back] #4811353
12/22/14 01:52 PM
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The main reason for trapping, of course, is that of all the coyote calls we've had this year, I doubt that I could have legally used

a firearm at any one of them.

Re: Guns for coyote control [Re: Throw Back] #4812063
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Oh I didn't know it had to be legal. ...best off to disregard anything I have said lol!


it is not a stupid question if you do not know the answer
Re: Guns for coyote control [Re: Travis Wolford] #4812773
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Originally Posted By: Travis Wolford
Oh I didn't know it had to be legal. ...best off to disregard anything I have said lol!


I like this guy^^

I hope you're taking notes winkleman

Re: Guns for coyote control [Re: Throw Back] #4813164
12/23/14 10:49 AM
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I refuse to answer on the grounds that it might tend to incriminate me.

Re: Guns for coyote control [Re: Throw Back] #4826604
12/30/14 02:52 PM
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243 58gr V-max DRT no saving the hide, but you do have a kill to show the property owner. when I call at night I bring one 223 and the 243 or 308 for the long shots 300+.

I think bullet over caliber for the most part, hit a big one the other night with 223 150 yards double lung (my oops had grabbed the wrong mag and hit him with practice 55 gr ball) he ran 250 yards and had to track him with the dog the next day

coyotes I like 53-60gr V-max, in 223 and consider for ADC work 223 min on coyotes, killed lots with less but when getting paid a bounty by the property owner I go 223 to 243

this is 4 out of 5 hits with 223 60gr V-max from 50-200 yards on a deer farm, never found the 5th one but spun him at 200

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Re: Guns for coyote control [Re: Throw Back] #4826652
12/30/14 03:30 PM
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Phil,

Is that a POF P-415 AR? Is it suppressed?

I just ordered one and it looks very similar to the one in your photo.

Thanks for the post.

Jake


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Re: Guns for coyote control [Re: Throw Back] #4826845
12/30/14 05:31 PM
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yes it is, hunter town arms suppressor works very well, really need a piston running a can they get mags dirty if not


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Re: Guns for coyote control [Re: Throw Back] #4829861
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If you already have the AR15 your longest ranging caliber conversion that can you do without getting into handloading and specialty ammos would be a 6.5 Grendel. You are looking at a around $1 a round for that. Next up would be a 6.8SPC II factory loads are readily available, $.80 a round and then of course there are some nice rounds that you could just shoot from your 5.56. It is likely a 1:8 or 1:9 twist making it a good canidate for something like a 75 grain Hornady Softpoint which holds a bit more energy when you get out there a ways.


By the time you buy a quality barrel for those longer shots and a new bolt, you could be well into a bolt gun like a Thompson Venture. $400 out the door and I own three of them, one .223, a .243 and a .243 compact/youth model. They are all able to shoot 1/2" groups at 100yds with a lead sled and multiple brands of factory ammo.

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