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Avoiding non-target critters w/ snares? #460266
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I have been approached by a G&F employee requesting techniques that trappers can use to avoid non-target critters when using snares.

I've given him my limited knowledge but was hoping for more from you guys. The situation involves guys snaring deer. Specifically fawns in the spring when doing ADC for for sheep herders.

Thanks.

Re: Avoiding non-target critters w/ snares? [Re: killswitharrows] #460275
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just my .02 but if you fence snare arent ya gonna automatically catch deer? they do use the same cross unders as coyotes, dont they?


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Re: Avoiding non-target critters w/ snares? [Re: killswitharrows] #460284
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Use the proper size loops for the target animal set the proper distance off the ground. Use a break away device with a low enough setting to allow livestock, deer etc to release themseoves. The most important one is the one lacking in some trappers. USE common sense!!! If there is a chance of catching a pet etc dont set there.

I dont think there is much youu can do in the situtation you decribe. Fawns are small and weak. They will get caught in any snare loop/height set for canines and will not have the strength to pop a breakaway. Basically the only option is the common sense approach. Otherwise its going to happen.

One option would be to use a relaxing snare and check daily. Not going to popular I am sure.

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Re: Avoiding non-target critters w/ snares? [Re: phutch30] #460292
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I agree. The problem is that fawn deer don't break "break away's." And yes Catryn, some of the fawns are being taken at cross unders.

phutch30 hit the nail on the head. "USE common sense!!!"

But the sad thing is some guys are setting 500 snares and checking them not often enough.

I see a change in the trapping laws coming soon to my state (reguarding snares).

Re: Avoiding non-target critters w/ snares? [Re: killswitharrows] #460304
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is there a check law on snares in Wyoming?
i know its 7 days on conis and 3 on footholds but i didnt see snares listed.


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Re: Avoiding non-target critters w/ snares? [Re: cathryn] #460308
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Re: Avoiding non-target critters w/ snares? [Re: killswitharrows] #460318
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yep, i forsee changes too.


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Re: Avoiding non-target critters w/ snares? [Re: cathryn] #460372
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Cathryn they just did redo the snare laws a couple of years ago, and they talked about time limits on them then, but it was beat and the check law was never changed.

Catching deer at crawl unders is one reason I dont fence snare any more, seems the only way you won't catch any deer is to stay away from that at fences.


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Re: Avoiding non-target critters w/ snares? [Re: Cattrax] #460727
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Here is the only set I use for coyotes .The deer step over the pole and the coyotes duck it . I haven't caught a deer yet . Lots have done the right thing and stepped over it .


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Re: Avoiding non-target critters w/ snares? [Re: coyote snarer] #460739
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dont fence snare, thats what you have to do, if your snaring them on the legs, put a deer stop on them, im not sure which problem you are having, but i would guess killing them by snaring them on the neck

Re: Avoiding non-target critters w/ snares? [Re: ketchikan] #460751
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If I put I jump stick like that on my snares in an area with whitetails I am setting myself up for massive headachs.I dont seem to have that problem with mule deer.

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Make the crawl through small enough for the youte but too small for the deer . Coyotes don't mind ducking for objects over head


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Re: Avoiding non-target critters w/ snares? [Re: coyote snarer] #460763
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Let me just say fox snares set 9" high w/ 9" loop are not too small for whitetails. My deer are weird and a very big pain.

Re: Avoiding non-target critters w/ snares? [Re: coyote snarer] #460773
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The deer have walked around that set yesterday . You don't have to have the pole that high . The snare loop is 10 from the bottom of the snare to the walking surface .With about a 8 or 9 in. loop . 20 inches high would be fine for the pole . Would you still have them crawl that low ???? .Deer here step right over or go round those sets


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Re: Avoiding non-target critters w/ snares? [Re: coyote snarer] #460780
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Those sets are for coyote . Foxes would run right under a snare that high or jump through the loop Much lower and much smaller loop for fox .


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Use a jump stick, the deer will jump over.


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Re: Avoiding non-target critters w/ snares? [Re: phutch30] #461119
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To start with killswitharrows is talking about ADC work which is done year around. He says spring snaring and fawns. They are the size of a jack rabbit when hatched. Allot of the area will not have a tree or a pole for a good ways too. Grass lands. Jump sticks and closeing a hole on a fence will do nothing in this case. Yearling and adult deer maybe fawns no.

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 Originally Posted By: phutch30
If I put I jump stick like that on my snares in an area with whitetails I am setting myself up for massive headachs.I dont seem to have that problem with mule deer.


I agree with you on that ohutch30!!!


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Maybe snaring isnt the best method if they are trying to avoid fawn kills.


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If the snaring situation is that bad .Then the snares should definately be avoided .


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Ummm, whos actually snared a deer at a fence cross under??? I know it it a real killer on antleope, but deer? It would have to be a real high crawl through in a fence before most sane deer would attempt to take the sqaut position, rather than just take a single leap and be on thier way. Something is definatley wrong here if many of you take deer at a crawl through in a fence IMO. I grew up setting fence snares, and they worked well in my area do to a limited number of goats. The pradators went under into my snare, and the deer jumped over, done deal. I will say, however, that the snared fur wrapp up in the fence too much at times, and can sure rub out the fur. For that reason, I try not to fence snare. I should note, that fences in our area are rarely over 4' high. If the fences get to tall for a deer to jump comfortably, than I can see them trying to crawl, but that is certianly special circumstances.



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That's why snares are not legal in Missouri for dryland sets.


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I never have snared a deer and held them. I use deer stops to let foot caught ones slip out but the biggest secret of it is I do not set trails that have deer tracks in them. (crazy I know, but it works for me ;\) )

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Thanks for the info guys. Sorry I havent replied earlier but I don't have internet on a regular basis.

I will say this, the G&F guys want to head off any problems with snares in the future. They understand the importance of the tool for managing wildlife.

As I get more info I will keep you posted.

Honestly I believe the problem is with guys setting hundreds of snares and not checking them enough. That is second only to the fact that I believe snares have a steep learning curve. Once mastered they are awesome.

Presonnally I wish we didn't have to have break-aways for snares set in water. Really, it doesn't even make sence, break-aways on my beaver snares?

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 Originally Posted By: killswitharrows
Thanks for the info guys. Sorry I havent replied earlier but I don't have internet on a regular basis.

I will say this, the G&F guys want to head off any problems with snares in the future. They understand the importance of the tool for managing wildlife.

As I get more info I will keep you posted.

Honestly I believe the problem is with guys setting hundreds of snares and not checking them enough. That is second only to the fact that I believe snares have a steep learning curve. Once mastered they are awesome.

Presonnally I wish we didn't have to have break-aways for snares set in water. Really, it doesn't even make sence, break-aways on my beaver snares?



exaxtly why i see a law chnage coming up. if people dont use common since and check their snares in a timely manner...what else can be done to insure that th3e snares are being implemented properly?

Hunt...round here, whitetail fawn go under the fences , ive sen em.


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 Originally Posted By: ADC
I never have snared a deer and held them. I use deer stops to let foot caught ones slip out but the biggest secret of it is I do not set trails that have deer tracks in them. (crazy I know, but it works for me ;\) )

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well you wouldnt set any trails around here.they all have deer tracks on them.




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 Originally Posted By: Hunt_with_dogs
Ummm, whos actually snared a deer at a fence cross under??? I know it it a real killer on antleope, but deer? It would have to be a real high crawl through in a fence before most sane deer would attempt to take the sqaut position, rather than just take a single leap and be on thier way. Something is definatley wrong here if many of you take deer at a crawl through in a fence IMO. I grew up setting fence snares, and they worked well in my area do to a limited number of goats. The pradators went under into my snare, and the deer jumped over, done deal. I will say, however, that the snared fur wrapp up in the fence too much at times, and can sure rub out the fur. For that reason, I try not to fence snare. I should note, that fences in our area are rarely over 4' high. If the fences get to tall for a deer to jump comfortably, than I can see them trying to crawl, but that is certianly special circumstances.



HWD you must not have a lot of fawn deer around you then, I know several guys here that gave up fence snaring just because of all the deer snared in crawl unders, and yes I have caught them too, thats why I say I wouldn't snare fence crawl unders in deer or antelope country, so for us thats about every where. Most fawns will crawl under a fence then to jump over, and yes these fences are just like the ones in Montana, 4 to 5 wire barbed wire, about 40" to 48" top wire.


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i agree with the crawl unders .... deer here crawl under at ALOT of locations ... ill take pix of deer hair in wire at them when i start settin traps back out ... also ... the "duck" sticks ... can be a VERY bad thing ... at least around here .... id much rather just set the snare without em myself ... deer stops will stop the deer leg catches and the deer will "breast" the snare loop as the yotes will be hooked .... just my opinion


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How high are most of these crawl unders you guys set? I find the spots where a k-9 sized loop fits in with little clearance. I don't set a snare in a place such a a washoutout etc, where more than a predator would attempt to go. We are full of deer and a large crop of twins most years. Knock on wood, I have yet to get a fawn in a snare. I have had deer hook snare in a trail before I figured out about the jump sticks etc when I was just starting, but never had a deer in a fence snare. The amount of clearance on a fence snare I set, just wouldn't entice a deer half to three quarters the size of momma to go through. The time of year I trap, the fawns have so much size to them, that they can make the simple leap like momma and not even think twice about throwing thier heads down and thrust through the bottom. If you set up a snare at a crawl under with a lot of hight or looks like an easier option for a fawn to try out, don't set it. Pinch your snares in the opening, so as to not have to visible of an opening. Of course if you have doubts at all, don't set it! Years ago fence snares were my bread and butter, and though I started out sloppy and setting the opening that were to large to deter deer, I lucked out before I became selective of the crawl unders. Like I say, I don't prefer fence snareing much at all these days, as the tanglement issue seems to great for me. Spose if I set them for many more years, I would eventually hook a deer fawn, or even a rare antelope. I see it best to abondoned the idea if it don't seem right.



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