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Re: big coon trapping [Re: Mabey Trapper] #4585919
08/03/14 06:32 PM
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This is an especially interesting topic to yours truly. Before probably around 1976 we did not have a very large raccoon population.

I weighed every one of the largest raccoons that I caught between 1956 and 1986. There were only about 800 raccoons that I caught in

that 30 year period. I had several that weighed 29 pounds but none that weighed 30. It was only after we got in the ADC business that

I finally got some over 30 pounds. And as I recall, never over 32 pounds. And of course, the majority of these heavy raccoons were

caught in late fall. I can't help but wonder, even now, when I catch a large bodied raccoon in summer, how much more it might weigh

in late fall?

Re: big coon trapping [Re: Paul Winkelmann] #4586040
08/03/14 08:02 PM
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This is an especially interesting topic to yours truly. Before probably around 1976 we did not have a very large raccoon population.


It wasn,t until the mid 1970's that vaccination programs and worming programs for dogs and cattle took off. Now because of products like Ivomec Bot flies are not prevalent like they were in farm animals and wild animals. Rabbits, squirrels, deer, and virtually all animals suffered to a great degree from their presence. I remember in the 70's as many as 50 bot fly grubs coming out of the backs of my cows. Ivomec eliminated that.

Almost all states are Brucellosis free now, allowing for deer and elk numbers to flourish.

Vertually all or most farms now vaccinate for lepto, IBR, Black leg, even pink eye. This prevents the spread of disease to the animals they used to give it to. Even TB in animals is now almost non existent.

Now at the same time average crop yields have tripled allowing for more farm production and more in field leftovers before and after harvest.

Not only have crop yields increased but TDN, including protein, fiber, and oil levels have greatly improved.

Not only are the wild animals less bothered with insects, disease, and helped by stronger regulation, but they are just fed better, especially in farm areas.

In the south in 1960 they eliminated the screw worm that was destroying up to 80% of new born animals.

There is your answer Paul.

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Re: big coon trapping [Re: Mabey Trapper] #4586089
08/03/14 08:26 PM
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Thanks Kirk! I especially appreciate you taking the time to give such a thorough answer since my dad made his living buying and

selling beef and dairy cattle. And yes, I got to know our local veterinarian quite well. My dad also got fairly good at giving shots.

When we shipped cattle out of the country, ( Canada, Cuba, Puerta Rico, etc. ) they really got a series of shots. Interesting how

that affected the wildlife. I would never have tied the two together. I guess that's my lesson for today!

Re: big coon trapping [Re: Mabey Trapper] #4586252
08/03/14 09:58 PM
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thanks Kirk you are the only help that i have had on this subject thanks to all though!!!

Re: big coon trapping [Re: Mabey Trapper] #4586303
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Whats TDN and Lignin?

Re: big coon trapping [Re: Mabey Trapper] #4586361
08/03/14 10:56 PM
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Sorry bout that Mabey! A big live trap would be my guess. A DP will probably hold it if it can't get to something to tangle up.


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Re: big coon trapping [Re: Mabey Trapper] #4586490
08/04/14 03:34 AM
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TDN- Total Digestable Nutrients Lignin is much harder to explain. As a matter of fact I won't even try. I know what it is but not really able to put it into words.


it is not a stupid question if you do not know the answer
Re: big coon trapping [Re: Mabey Trapper] #4586511
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TDN- Total Digestable Nutrients Lignin is much harder to explain. As a matter of fact I won't even try. I know what it is but not really able to put it into words.


Lignin has to do with digestible fiber of the plant. The lower the lignin content the more digestible and basically more nutrition in the plant.

The higher the elevation the plant is grown the lower the lignin content is and more digestible. Idaho has some of the best alfalfa hay in the world. There is a point or optimum elevation for each plant species. Idaho has areas of optimum soil and plant combinations for potatoes, corn, beets, and alfalfa.

I have purchased alfalfa from Idaho in the past that had a higher relative food value than the best corn silage I ever grew. Some tested 3 times better than my best locally grown hay.


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Re: big coon trapping [Re: Mabey Trapper] #4586533
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Talking about optimum soil and plant combinations relative to elevation.

To get technical: The greater the relative food value related to lower lignin the faster the food goes through the gut. The faster it goes through the quicker the animal is to be hungary. At the same time, depending on what fiber levels it needs and food available, the animal is able to absorb more and grows larger faster due to the faster process in his gut causing the animal to eat more and more.

If the food supply is there they get fat in a hurry or get bigger and taller depending on other factors such as protein to energy ratios in the food as well as mineral content.


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Re: big coon trapping [Re: Mabey Trapper] #4587818
08/04/14 10:51 PM
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There I knew someone could explain it better than me. I've fed a few cows in my life and I live in the corn forrest so I have ran across all these terms before. Most of the ones I've fed were started on the bottle so the way my stuff grew is off from most. From 3 days old to cut off their head time averaged 19 months on Holstien Cross. We don't have as big of coons here as we did when I was young but we don't hardly have any feed lots left, their saving grace in my opinion has been notill beans.


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Re: big coon trapping [Re: Mabey Trapper] #4588299
08/05/14 11:33 AM
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hey thanks again to ya all

Re: big coon trapping [Re: Mabey Trapper] #4605996
08/17/14 09:14 AM
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Ok, I don't do much ADC but I do know human weaknesses for exaggerating animal sizes. There is the distinct possibility it is a 17 pounder and not a 60 pounder she saw. That being said, I've taken coon close to 30 pounds in Williams cages sized 12x12x30 and they worked just fine


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