Re: Calcium Chloride--Are the Yotes & Fox Scared of it
[Re: Chris]
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Garold Weiland caught thousands of foxes using Calcium Chloride in the '60s and '70s. He described mixing it with the dirt over and under the trap...not mixing it with water and spraying. It will rust the devil out of the traps if they are not waxed.
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Re: Calcium Chloride--Are the Yotes & Fox Scared of it
[Re: Chris]
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Some red fox and coyote just refuse to step on a trap bed layered with calcium chloride, trying to dig into the hole from the side or back. However, I've not seen evidence of them turning away from ten feet back because of set anti-freeze. That sort of refusal may be perhaps from excessive lure and bait odors, excessive human and foreign scent in the area or unnatural disturbances such as human tracks in the snow, etc. I'm with bullneck on the glycol water mix sprayed on the sets as receiving fewer set avoidances. The glycol bullneck is referring to is the clear odorless product sold by most trapping supply stores. The non iodized salt is called Pickling Salt and is pure with no additives and found in most every grocery store. When using a salt product I prefer that over chloride. Good luck! Ace PS- the salt isn't mixed with water and sprayed on the set, it is just mixed or layered into dry sand.
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Re: Calcium Chloride--Are the Yotes & Fox Scared of it
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i agree with Asa. calcium chloride belongs in tractor tires, to corroseive on metal.
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Re: Calcium Chloride--Are the Yotes & Fox Scared of it
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Charles, what do you use for antifreeze then?/ regular table salt.
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Re: Calcium Chloride--Are the Yotes & Fox Scared of it
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Re: Calcium Chloride--Are the Yotes & Fox Scared of it
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Calcium chloride has the capability to absorb moisture from the humidity in the air aound it and then appear a a wet spor over the trap. I think animals may learn to avoid this. Perhaps dry dirt may be better.
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Re: Calcium Chloride--Are the Yotes & Fox Scared of it
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For what it's worth I have always used dry dirt at my sets until last year. I was consistantly making coyote and fox catches and than I started using non iodized salt and my catch rate dropped like a ton of bricks. The animals would step everywhere except on the dirt that was treated with the salt. Maybe I used to much per set or something. I know alot of guys use it with good success but it did not work for me. I've seen the same thing over the years tried every kind of antifreeze method out there, calcium,salt,hulls,peat moss,glycol,styrafoam beads nothing compares to dry dirt or waxed dirt.....B.....
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Re: Calcium Chloride--Are the Yotes & Fox Scared of it
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Oh, forgot to mention, this bag had a corner ripped on it. Naturally, a big chunk of it is actually frozen. So, Cody, Do you simply depend on guiding for the animal to make its first step its last? I tried to simply pack it, but it didn't really work, as I had happen last year. So, I managed to get it to have "some" firmness, but I am a bit nervous that the animal will step a place other than the pan, and dig it up. Maybe place snow over the peat?
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Re: Calcium Chloride--Are the Yotes & Fox Scared of it
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I use calcium cloride and I havent had any problems with it. look at it this way if you dont use anti freeze you wont catch any thing and thats a lot beter than mising som.
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Re: Calcium Chloride--Are the Yotes & Fox Scared of it
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I use table salt. Have not seen any avoidance at the sets. Seems as though that sometimes, that llittle darker patch of "wet" looking dirt helps pull them in to investigate.
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Re: Calcium Chloride--Are the Yotes & Fox Scared of it
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ok, so,......... Cody, you are saying you simply put the peat down, make sure the trap is pushed down into good and snug, and then top dress with peat, right? I used it tonight in a hole that I refreshed. I packed the peat around the top of the trap best I could. I see what you mean when you say you simply can't pack it like dirt, etc., but it does seem like it will do the trick. So, can I ask what you all are using for traps? I am thinking of pulling all my #2's, since the weather is getting fairly nasty, and going only with the mb 550/650's. Any advice from you all on this? Also, I tried putting two traps on a trail where the feet are stepping repeatedly. When you cover the trap with saran wrap, do you leave excess on the top so the jaws can close, or do you simply wrap it "tight/snug" onto the top of the trap? Thanks so much to you all, Chris' P.S. Do you have any pictures of the peat moss at a set?
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Re: Calcium Chloride--Are the Yotes & Fox Scared of it
[Re: MADTRAPPER50]
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I use table salt. Have not seen any avoidance at the sets. Seems as though that sometimes, that llittle darker patch of "wet" looking dirt helps pull them in to investigate. Yep, it makes the set look fresh which is GREAT for sucking them in...
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Re: Calcium Chloride--Are the Yotes & Fox Scared of it
[Re: Bullneck]
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I have used calcium chloride and it works fine as an antifreeze.
With any chemical antifreeze, its how you layer it to try and avoid the "wet spot".
If possible, dig a deep bed, or find a deep depression, put down a sheet of wax paper. Dry dirt, CC Dry dirt Trap dirt CC finish with dry dirt
Although salts and CC are not my first choice, they do work, and if you dont make wax dirt, and all the garden shops around are out of peat moss like it seems they are around here, you have to use what you have available.
Like said earlier. CC and any salts are very corrosive to steel. Wash your gear good at the end of the year, or preferably after a catch or two and re-wax at least.
What's in the well will always come up in the bucket.
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