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Calcium Chloride--Are the Yotes & Fox Scared of it #450533
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Tried using calcium chloride around my sets. Not sure, but the anmimals seem to come within about ten feet of it, and then walk off the other direction.
Can anyone tell me if they might be shying away from the scent of it? I am looking at possibly mixing it with water, and simply spraying a top coat over the set.
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Re: Calcium Chloride--Are the Yotes & Fox Scared of it [Re: Chris] #450545
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it you are wanting to uses somthing from a spray bottle food grade glyocl mixed with water...I use uniodized salt you buy at the market...cost you abour 40 cents.K9"s don't seem to shy away from it...your traps must be waxed

Re: Calcium Chloride--Are the Yotes & Fox Scared of it [Re: Bullneck] #450550
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THanks Bull
Yes, they are waxed. Food grade glycol? Where do you find it?
The uniodized salt as well, where to go? Walmart? What mixture do you use for the uniodized vs. water?
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Re: Calcium Chloride--Are the Yotes & Fox Scared of it [Re: Chris] #450593
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Garold Weiland caught thousands of foxes using Calcium Chloride in the '60s and '70s. He described mixing it with the dirt over and under the trap...not mixing it with water and spraying. It will rust the devil out of the traps if they are not waxed.


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Re: Calcium Chloride--Are the Yotes & Fox Scared of it [Re: Chris] #450597
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Some red fox and coyote just refuse to step on a trap bed layered with calcium chloride, trying to dig into the hole from the side or back. However, I've not seen evidence of them turning away from ten feet back because of set anti-freeze. That sort of refusal may be perhaps from excessive lure and bait odors, excessive human and foreign scent in the area or unnatural disturbances such as human tracks in the snow, etc.
I'm with bullneck on the glycol water mix sprayed on the sets as receiving fewer set avoidances. The glycol bullneck is referring to is the clear odorless product sold by most trapping supply stores. The non iodized salt is called Pickling Salt and is pure with no additives and found in most every grocery store. When using a salt product I prefer that over chloride.
Good luck! Ace
PS- the salt isn't mixed with water and sprayed on the set, it is just mixed or layered into dry sand.

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Re: Calcium Chloride--Are the Yotes & Fox Scared of it [Re: Asa Lenon] #450610
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i agree with Asa. calcium chloride belongs in tractor tires, to corroseive on metal.

Re: Calcium Chloride--Are the Yotes & Fox Scared of it [Re: CharlesKS] #450614
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Charles, what do you use for antifreeze then?/

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regular table salt works fine

Re: Calcium Chloride--Are the Yotes & Fox Scared of it [Re: Bryton] #450625
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Thanks guys!! Great points. I am actually using my four wheeler to ride right up to the trap set(s). Maybe I should not be doing this? I thought it would be better than walking, and leaving my tracks. I use a small narrow plastic rake to get rid of the footprints in the snow.
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Re: Calcium Chloride--Are the Yotes & Fox Scared of it [Re: Bryton] #450630
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 Originally Posted By: Bryton
Charles, what do you use for antifreeze then?/


regular table salt.

Re: Calcium Chloride--Are the Yotes & Fox Scared of it [Re: Asa Lenon] #450635
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ASA,
Can you tell me the best way to go about avoiding the issue of avoidance because of the fact there are my four wheeler tracks nearby?
It's in a "somewhat" heavily wooded area w/alot of balsams. Can't really get a good look at it, altho I would be able to get possibly more takers than now, for sure.
Thanks,
Chris
P.S. The only snow I have cleared out for the set is appr. two foot circle, with the snow/dirt mix scooped out with the rake opposite the hole/dog location, thinking it might simply give them some eye appeal.

Re: Calcium Chloride--Are the Yotes & Fox Scared of it [Re: Asa Lenon] #451217
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Great info !!!!!!

Re: Calcium Chloride--Are the Yotes & Fox Scared of it [Re: CodyCoyote12] #451449
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For what it's worth I have always used dry dirt at my sets until last year. I was consistantly making coyote and fox catches and than I started using non iodized salt and my catch rate dropped like a ton of bricks. The animals would step everywhere except on the dirt that was treated with the salt. Maybe I used to much per set or something. I know alot of guys use it with good success but it did not work for me.

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Cody,
Can you share your technique with the peat moss? I have no dry dirt left, but "can" dig some up. That is, simply from the ground, guess it beats the alternative.
I have been thinking of using peat moss as follows--
Using the pan for the lowest part of the trap. But, make the peat come off the trap at a 45 degree angle up to the surface of the ground. Kind of a cone type application. Sift a bit of dirt on top of the peat, and , ??????????????????
Just curious to see if you have ever tried this method, and how you do it. Do you get much snow where you are?
Thanks,
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Re: Calcium Chloride--Are the Yotes & Fox Scared of it [Re: Chris] #451574
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Just put peat under and on top of your trap, and top dress it with dirt. If peat is too stemmy you might need to sift it.


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Calcium chloride has the capability to absorb moisture from the humidity in the air aound it and then appear a a wet spor over the trap. I think animals may learn to avoid this. Perhaps dry dirt may be better.


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For what it's worth I have always used dry dirt at my sets until last year. I was consistantly making coyote and fox catches and than I started using non iodized salt and my catch rate dropped like a ton of bricks. The animals would step everywhere except on the dirt that was treated with the salt. Maybe I used to much per set or something. I know alot of guys use it with good success but it did not work for me.


I've seen the same thing over the years tried every kind of antifreeze method out there, calcium,salt,hulls,peat moss,glycol,styrafoam beads nothing compares to dry dirt or waxed dirt.....B.....


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Anything other than dry dirt added to the trap bed, even though its odorless to us humans either adds an odor or makes for an unnatrual wet spot look and will from my experiences cause a lot of red fox and coyote to avoid stepping on that spot, working sets from the side or back or avoiding the set all together. I've never tried the waxed dirt but it certainly seems it would be on the top of the list as the lesser of evils. Glycerine mixed with water works pretty good for me though as long as the last final layer finishing the set is dry sand. I guess these avoidances tell us the importance in having a clean and deoderized trap too. Ace

Re: Calcium Chloride--Are the Yotes & Fox Scared of it [Re: Asa Lenon] #452006
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Well, just got back from another mornings check. Nothing---
Tracks are crossing down wind of trapping area, but not seeming to come in to the scent.
Smaller tracks that "look" to be possum, but not sure if they are still out or not.

Re: Calcium Chloride--Are the Yotes & Fox Scared of it [Re: CodyCoyote12] #452333
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Cody,
Thanks so much for your reply!! I'll try it out in about half an hour. I've had it since last year all sealed up. It is like bone dry. I do realize it should be air dried like you said, but, given the circumstances, I am going to try it out.
Thanks so much,
I'll let you know the outcome.
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Well,.............
I was going to a set to relure with a different lure, and the trap had been tripped, and looks to be from a fox.
I reset with peat moss, calcium chloride, and sifted a light coat of onsite dirt.
We shall see,..................
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I just started using Peat this season...I mix it with dry dirt and a small amount of CC. I've had no major problems...

Peat and dry dirt is good stuff....

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Oh, forgot to mention, this bag had a corner ripped on it. Naturally, a big chunk of it is actually frozen.
So, Cody, Do you simply depend on guiding for the animal to make its first step its last?
I tried to simply pack it, but it didn't really work, as I had happen last year. So, I managed to get it to have "some" firmness, but I am a bit nervous that the animal will step a place other than the pan, and dig it up.
Maybe place snow over the peat?

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I'll tell you what....peat is some awesome stuff. Today i caught a fox in a set that had not been maintained for almost 10 days. We've had on/off rain....light in nature but still rain, and even 2 inches of snow....along with freezing/thawing. The snow melted yesterday. Through all that precipitation that set fired and nailed a huge female red.

With regular dirt, rain or snow makes the pattern turn to sloppy mud. This doesn't happen with peat. It also doesn't get heavy so dry fires/snapped traps are less frequent. It just stands up to weather better...

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With a well guided step down, bedding is virtually not necessary....one step on the pan and their had. On ocassion I have them scratch at the pattern, but they do this with dirt as well. Right now, they're VERY hungry, so misses aren't so prevelant. They hit the trap hard...

Also, if you're worried about smell with calcium, sprinkle urine on the pattern and around to cover it up. A spray bottle works well...

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I use calcium cloride and I havent had any problems with it.
look at it this way if you dont use anti freeze you wont catch any thing and thats a lot beter than mising som.


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I use table salt. Have not seen any avoidance at the sets. Seems as though that sometimes, that llittle darker patch of "wet" looking dirt helps pull them in to investigate.


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ok, so,.........
Cody, you are saying you simply put the peat down, make sure the trap is pushed down into good and snug, and then top dress with peat, right?
I used it tonight in a hole that I refreshed. I packed the peat around the top of the trap best I could. I see what you mean when you say you simply can't pack it like dirt, etc., but it does seem like it will do the trick.
So, can I ask what you all are using for traps? I am thinking of pulling all my #2's, since the weather is getting fairly nasty, and going only with the mb 550/650's.
Any advice from you all on this?
Also, I tried putting two traps on a trail where the feet are stepping repeatedly. When you cover the trap with saran wrap, do you leave excess on the top so the jaws can close, or do you simply wrap it "tight/snug" onto the top of the trap?
Thanks so much to you all,
Chris'
P.S. Do you have any pictures of the peat moss at a set?

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 Originally Posted By: MADTRAPPER50
I use table salt. Have not seen any avoidance at the sets. Seems as though that sometimes, that llittle darker patch of "wet" looking dirt helps pull them in to investigate.


Yep, it makes the set look fresh which is GREAT for sucking them in...

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Chris...Don't over think things keep it simple.peat moss looks brown and fluffy it does not pack well.I have never packed a set..I use all step downs and I have never had any dig outs.step downs are deadly.make your pattern as small as you can..I like to make his first step his last step...keep it simple and you will be better in the long run.nothing beats good clean gear and clean habits when making a set.a good basic set will take them if the animals are there..take a set or two and a method you are comfortable with and perfect it along with a bottle or two of good lure and stick with it and you will caught fur

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Thanks Bull! I take it you use Peat?

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Yes..but I also use the dirt at the set if the time of year is right..animals have been caught with just about every antifreeze method out there it all depends on what you are comfortable with
I have used Glycol mix with water and I have also used table salt .Peat is fast and easy to use.I sift a lite coating of dirt over the trap so to blend the color.peat has a brown color to it the really stands out

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I have used calcium chloride and it works fine as an antifreeze.

With any chemical antifreeze, its how you layer it to try and avoid the "wet spot".

If possible, dig a deep bed, or find a deep depression, put down a sheet of wax paper.
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Although salts and CC are not my first choice, they do work, and if you dont make wax dirt, and all the garden shops around are out of peat moss like it seems they are around here, you have to use what you have available.

Like said earlier. CC and any salts are very corrosive to steel.
Wash your gear good at the end of the year, or preferably after a catch or two and re-wax at least.


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