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#4347490 - 03/01/14 08:19 AM Russia is going into the Ukraine..
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Edited by canvasback (03/01/14 08:27 AM)
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#4347495 - 03/01/14 08:21 AM Re: Russia is going into the Ukraine.. [Re: canvasback]
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#4347497 - 03/01/14 08:21 AM Re: Russia is going into the Ukraine.. [Re: canvasback]
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Russian President Vladimir Putin has asked parliament for permission to use the country's military in Ukraine, the Kremlin said Saturday.

Putin said the move is needed to protect ethnic Russians and the personnel of a Russian military base in Ukraine's strategic region of Crimea.

"I'm submitting a request for using the armed forces of the Russian Federation on the territory of Ukraine pending the normalization of the socio-political situation in that country," Putin said in a statement released by the Kremlin.

He sent the request to the Russian legislature's upper house, which has to approve the motion, according to the constitution.

In Crimea, the pro-Russian regional prime minister had earlier claimed control of the military and police there and asked Putin for help in keeping peace, sharpening the discord between the two Slavic neighbor countries.

It was the latest escalation following the ouster of Ukraine's pro-Russian president last week by a protest movement aimed at turning Ukraine toward the European Union and away from Russia.

Armed men described as Russian troops took control of key airports and a communications center in Crimea on Friday. Ukraine has accused Russia of a "military invasion and occupation" a claim that brought an alarming new dimension to the crisis, and raised fears that Moscow is moving to intervene on the strategic peninsula where Russia's Black Sea fleet is based.

Ukraine's population is divided in loyalties between Russia and Europe, with much of western Ukraine advocating closer ties with the European Union while eastern and southern regions look to Russia for support. Crimea is mainly Russian-speaking.

Crimean's prime minister, Sergei Aksyonov, declared that the armed forces, the police, the national security service and border guards in the region will answer only to his orders.

Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseny Yatsenyuk opened a Cabinet meeting in the capital, Kiev, by calling on Russia not to provoke discord in Crimea, a peninsula on the Black Sea.

"We call on the government and authorities of Russia to recall their forces, and to return them to their stations," Yatsenyuk was quoted as saying by the Interfax news agency. "Russian partners, stop provoking civil and military resistance in Ukraine."
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#4347504 - 03/01/14 08:24 AM Re: Russia is going into the Ukraine.. [Re: canvasback]
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#4347505 - 03/01/14 08:24 AM Re: Russia is going into the Ukraine.. [Re: canvasback]
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We went into Iraq
Bosnia
Croatia
Macodonia
Hungry
Kosovo
Albania
Georgia

Good to see Russia wants to play cop in thier hemisphere finally---- I applaud em!
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#4347509 - 03/01/14 08:26 AM Re: Russia is going into the Ukraine.. [Re: canvasback]
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Pro-Russian leader in Crimea asks Putin for help


SEVASTOPOL, Ukraine -- The pro-Russian leader of Ukraine's Crimea region claimed control of the military and police there Saturday and appealed to Russia's President Vladimir Putin for help in keeping peace, sharpening the discord between the two Slavic neighbor countries.

Also Saturday, Russia's lower house of parliament, the Duma, asked Putin to take measures to stabilize the situation in Crimea, the news agency Interfax cited the speaker of the Duma as saying.

It was the latest escalation following the ouster of Ukraine's pro-Russian president last week by a protest movement aimed at turning Ukraine toward the European Union and away from Russia.




Ukraine's leadership warns against military invasion


Russian forces moved across the border into the Crimea region of Ukraine on Friday, Ukrainian and U.S. officials said, escalating tensions and prompting President Obama to warn against a military intervention.

Armed men described as Russian troops took control of key airports and a communications center in Crimea. Ukraine has accused Russia of a "military invasion and occupation" - a claim that brought an alarming new dimension to the crisis, and raised fears that Moscow is moving to annex a strategic peninsula where Russia's Black Sea fleet is based.

On Saturday, Russian forces seized control of a military airfield, the Interfax news agency quoted a Ukrainian military source as saying. The airport, located in the town of Kirovskoye, is used mostly for military transport planes.

U.S. officials said Friday that Russia was flying hundreds of troops, maybe more, into Crimea. The officials stopped short of calling it an outright invasion, but one of them said, "This is history being made."

Ukraine's population is divided in loyalties between Russia and Europe, with much of western Ukraine advocating closer ties with the European Union while eastern and southern regions look to Russia for support. Crimea is mainly Russian-speaking.

Crimean's prime minister, Sergei Aksyonov, declared that the armed forces, the police, the national security service and border guards in the region will answer only to his orders.


Ukraine's Prime Minister Arseny Yatsenyuk opened a cabinet meeting in the capital, Kiev, by calling on Russia not to provoke discord in Crimea, a peninsula on the Black Sea.

"We call on the government and authorities of Russia to recall their forces, and to return them to their stations," Yatsenyuk was quoted as saying by the Interfax news agency. "Russian partners, stop provoking civil and military resistance in Ukraine."

Crimea only became part of Ukraine in 1954 when Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev transferred jurisdiction from Russia, a move that was a mere formality when both Ukraine and Russia were part of the Soviet Union. The Soviet breakup in 1991 meant Crimea landed in an independent Ukraine.



White House knows options are limited in Ukraine



Mr. Obama warned Moscow on Friday "there will be costs" if it intervenes militarily.

Russia has taken a confrontational stance toward its southern neighbor after pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovych fled the country. Yanukovych was voted out of office by parliament after weeks of protests ended in violence that left over 80 people dead.

Demonstrators sought his resignation after he backed out of signing an agreement to bring Ukraine closer to the European Union instead of Russia. Yanukovych took refuge in Russia and still says he's president.

Aksyonov, the head of the main pro-Russia party on the peninsula, appealed to Putin "for assistance in guaranteeing peace and calmness on the territory of the autonomous republic of Crimea."



Clashes in Crimea


Aksyonov was voted in by the Crimean parliament on Thursday after pro-Russia gunmen seized the building and as tensions soared over Crimea's resistance to the new authorities in Kiev, who took office this week.

Mr. Obama called on Russia to respect the independence and territory of Ukraine and not try to take advantage of its neighbor, which is undergoing political upheaval.




Obama: "deeply concerned" by reports of Russian troop movements



"Any violation of Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity would be deeply destabilizing," Mr. Obama said.

He said such action by Russia would represent a "profound interference" in matters he said must be decided by the Ukrainian people.

"The United States will stand with the international community in affirming that there will be costs for any military intervention in Ukraine," he said. He did not say what those costs might be.


Fears growing that Ukraine unrest could spiral into civil war



Poland called for an end to "provocative movements of troops on the Crimean Peninsula,"

"Any decisions that will be taken in the coming days, including of military nature, could have irreparable consequences for the international order," the Polish foreign ministry said in a statement.

Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt wrote on Twitter that it was "obvious that there is Russian military intervention in Ukraine. Likely immediate aim is to set up puppet pro-Russian semi-state in Crimea."

At the United Nations, the Ukrainian ambassador, Yuriy Sergeyev, said Friday that Russian transport aircraft and 11 attack helicopters had arrived in Crimea illegally, and that Russian troops had taken control of two airports in Crimea.

He described the gunmen posted outside the two airports as Russian armed forces as well as "unspecified" units.

Russia has kept silent on claims of military intervention and has said any troop movements are within agreed rules, even as it maintained its hard-line stance on protecting ethnic Russians in Crimea.

Meanwhile, flights remained halted from Simferopol's airport. Dozens of armed men in military uniforms without markings patrolled the area. They didn't stop or search people leaving or entering the airport, and refused to talk to journalists.
One man who identified himself only as Vladimir said the men were part of the Crimean People's Brigade, which he described as a self-defense unit ensuring that no "radicals and fascists" arrive from other parts of Ukraine. There was no way to independently verify his account.
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#4347521 - 03/01/14 08:30 AM Re: Russia is going into the Ukraine.. [Re: canvasback]
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Well, it appears that Obama has support from both sides in his response. Will this mean sending our troops in to defend the Ukraine according to the Budapest Memorandum ?

http://www.foxnews.com/
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#4347525 - 03/01/14 08:34 AM Re: Russia is going into the Ukraine.. [Re: canvasback]
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So it begins.

Tip of the iceberg imo.
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#4347555 - 03/01/14 08:49 AM Re: Russia is going into the Ukraine.. [Re: MNcooner]
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[Please excuse my language... I'm an idiot] over! this is not good. nothing good will come from this, putin is from my understaniing very old school ussr communist mentallity. if we go over ther and get involved we are going to bite off a mouthful of poop if we dont we then we are going to look like sissys. nothing good can or will come from this. do not forget we also went into
vietnam
korea
pacific
france
germany
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#4347579 - 03/01/14 08:58 AM Re: Russia is going into the Ukraine.. [Re: canvasback]
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Putin isn't worried about us, he know's we're 'flexible' now!
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#4347593 - 03/01/14 09:05 AM Re: Russia is going into the Ukraine.. [Re: canvasback]
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Who thinks Russia might get a little gutsy if they win in the Ukraine , and try to reclaim the Baltic Countries that split from Russia or try to put a foothold back into Poland ?
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#4347597 - 03/01/14 09:07 AM Re: Russia is going into the Ukraine.. [Re: canvasback]
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obummer is a sissy... putin will beat obummer like a drum. I hope he does...leave Russia alone. obummer sent 3 gays (on purpose) to Russia as reps of our country before the Olympics!!!!!! ridiculous... and our so called leaders just sat there and watched.... mad

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#4347617 - 03/01/14 09:16 AM Re: Russia is going into the Ukraine.. [Re: canvasback]
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Maybe it is time to let the chips fall where they may. We have an inclination in America to try and stick up for democracy and rights around the world. Maybe because we fought so hard for ours 250 years or so back and know what good it can bring. But it seems the more we stretch out and try to help the more we get kicked in the teeth for it, and pay for it ultimately with our peoples blood.
Maybe the rest of the world needs to feel the true consequences of poor decisions and flawed ideology and not think no matter what happens someone else will bear the burden of the consequences.
Maybe that applies here as well?
I'm just saying...
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#4347618 - 03/01/14 09:16 AM Re: Russia is going into the Ukraine.. [Re: canvasback]
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Let me ask all the current military guys....like Aaron and others....
Do you think we have military leaders that can stand up to Putin's generals if it comes to a fight?...(no disrespect)....I'm just thinking about past conflicts where we didn't take the gloves off.....I feel if we show troops in there we need to be ready for battle...IMO
I think we need to keep our nose out of it.....Current civilian leadership in DC don't have a clue....we don't have FRD ,Dwight Eisenhower,Patton.talking things over!!!!!
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#4347638 - 03/01/14 09:32 AM Re: Russia is going into the Ukraine.. [Re: canvasback]
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Has the Ukraine asked for any help? Has NATO asked for any help? has any country asked the US to jump in? Has someone shown the direct affect on the US, that would require Military Intervention? Until any of that happens STAY OUT. They can fight there own fights, And If they cant O well.
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#4347640 - 03/01/14 09:32 AM Re: Russia is going into the Ukraine.. [Re: canvasback]
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In my mind Putin realizes he's in a win win situation. We've been at war for over a decade. We are sick of war and finacially tapped by war. Public support for helping a foreign country defend itself won't be easily forthcoming here in America. Even if it was Putin knows Obama and his appointed sycophants would blunder any military action it proposed. Obama has shown himself to be an incompotent blow hard (see syria).

Obama has done nothing to maintain our old European alliances. He shown himself as a paper tiger to our of our enemies. He acts like a spoiled brat towards his military leaders. If you were a strong nationalist like Putin all the tea leaves would tell you that now is the time to start reclaiming all of mother Russia. If I were him I'd roll the dice and go for broke. Who's going to have the stones to do more than quibble against Russia?
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#4347645 - 03/01/14 09:36 AM Re: Russia is going into the Ukraine.. [Re: Ron Watson]
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Originally Posted By: Ron Watson
Let me ask all the current military guys....like Aaron and others....
Do you think we have military leaders that can stand up to Putin's generals if it comes to a fight?...(no disrespect)....I'm just thinking about past conflicts where we didn't take the gloves off.....I feel if we show troops in there we need to be ready for battle...IMO
I think we need to keep our nose out of it.....Current civilian leadership in DC don't have a clue....we don't have FRD ,Dwight Eisenhower,Patton.talking things over!!!!!
the whole country isnt like that generation anymore either.how many of us are ready to have gasoline rationed?

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#4347649 - 03/01/14 09:38 AM Re: Russia is going into the Ukraine.. [Re: canvasback]
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Maybe Palin could see Putin planning the strategy to take the Ukraine from her house ?

One thing is for sure, Obama is clueless.
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#4347651 - 03/01/14 09:40 AM Re: Russia is going into the Ukraine.. [Re: canvasback]
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If barry soetoro gets us in a nuclear war with Putin it might melt some of this Snow.

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#4347655 - 03/01/14 09:42 AM Re: Russia is going into the Ukraine.. [Re: Recondo]
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Originally Posted By: Recondo
We went into Iraq
Bosnia
Croatia
Macodonia
Hungry
Kosovo
Albania
Georgia

Good to see Russia wants to play cop in thier hemisphere finally---- I applaud em!

I agree very much.

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