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#4042826 - 10/09/13 04:30 AM 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota?
Gary Benson Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/23/06
Loc: Cambridge Nebraska
Didn't make the news much cause it didn't happen in New Orleans or New York, but western South Dakota got 43 inches of snow last weekend. Estimated 40000 cattle killed. Bad deal.
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#4042858 - 10/09/13 05:31 AM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
LIwhitetail Offline
trapper

Registered: 08/23/12
Loc: New York
Wow..

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#4042863 - 10/09/13 05:38 AM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
Born Offline
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Registered: 04/05/11
Loc: Minnesota
I heard something about it this morning on the WSJTM. Didn't say how many though.
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#4042865 - 10/09/13 05:40 AM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
tmrschessie Offline



Registered: 12/23/06
Loc: South Central Nebraska age 64
Not enough folks on the toll to get headline news....that is hard on the herd....Tom

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#4042878 - 10/09/13 05:48 AM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
Recondo Online   content
trapper

Registered: 12/28/06
Loc: Alaska
My Question.

we have a number of 40000 cows, but of those 40000 cows how many cattle ranchers lost cows. (4, 8, 25, 100? it is relevant.)

Now was it really 40000?

I hope the insurance company counts em...



Edited by RECONDO (10/09/13 05:50 AM)
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#4042885 - 10/09/13 05:55 AM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
Tracks445 Offline
trapper

Registered: 08/05/10
Loc: Central Pennsylvania
Man that's rough that will push beef prices up and take more money out of the farmer/ranches pocket. But oh my the government does to much for the people who feed us so we better not give them insurance money (scarcasum)
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#4042916 - 10/09/13 06:24 AM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
austinp Offline
trapper

Registered: 03/02/10
Loc: Naples, NY
there was four feet of snow on the ground? where are local news links to this event? I never saw anything like that mentioned in national weather news.
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#4042929 - 10/09/13 06:39 AM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
rags57078 Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Loc: se SD
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#4042933 - 10/09/13 06:40 AM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
shepherd0610 Offline
trapper

Registered: 10/02/08
Loc: Pueblo, Colorado
most ranchers dont have there cattle insured. I pay about $26/head a year. but i have a small herd.
I grew up in the Dakota's and I dont know many ranchers who did insure there cattle. just feedlots,milk cows and registered herds.
so most of the small operations will be out of business.
need to look at big picture south dakota is one of the top seed stock producing states in the nation. 40k or more cattle not in the picture anymore. and herds were stressed already with drought.

wait till 4th of july next year(biggest beef eating holiday of the year) and see what prices of ground beef will be.

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#4042937 - 10/09/13 06:42 AM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
rags57078 Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Loc: se SD
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#4042938 - 10/09/13 06:43 AM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
MB750 Offline
trapper

Registered: 07/09/10
Loc: Idaville, Indiana
Went to sale barn last week. Feeder calves were bringing up to $1.46 a lb for 500 to 600 lb calves. Take that by 40,000 & that is a bunch of money.
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#4042945 - 10/09/13 06:48 AM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
shepherd0610 Offline
trapper

Registered: 10/02/08
Loc: Pueblo, Colorado
also any small town bank that was running lines of credit to ranchers for cattle, sheep, ect. have to be in a tough spot as we speak. never messed around with bank owned cattle. i was always scared of this exact disaster.

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#4042947 - 10/09/13 06:50 AM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
Fairchild #17 Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/27/06
Loc: Millville, Pennsylvania
Sounds like a bunch of whimpy cattle to me. They DIE because of 3.5' of snow?
That's a good snow, but it doesn't seem that uncommon.

What exactly is the cause of death for this mass casualty?
How many wild animals died because of the snow? Just seems very odd to me.
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#4042960 - 10/09/13 06:59 AM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
shepherd0610 Offline
trapper

Registered: 10/02/08
Loc: Pueblo, Colorado
cattle went to low lining areas to get away from blowing snow. alot walked into snow covered ponds and drowned, most were sufficated by snow blowing in and on them and once snow was 3.5 feet deep it was to late.

I'm scared to see what happened to the pronghorn, deer and upland game birds. going to be same deal.
talked to my best friend they were hand picking semi-frozen pheasants out of drifts and putting in hay barn to get the out of elements.

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#4042974 - 10/09/13 07:11 AM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
austinp Offline
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Registered: 03/02/10
Loc: Naples, NY
wow... that's incredible. never saw anything about that on yahoo news, etc
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#4042985 - 10/09/13 07:18 AM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
rags57078 Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Loc: se SD
thats why I posted the news links
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#4042996 - 10/09/13 07:25 AM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
warrior Offline
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Registered: 01/28/07
Loc: Georgia
IIRC, this happens from time to time in the northern plain states.
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#4043015 - 10/09/13 07:36 AM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Fairchild #17]
hunter88 Offline
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Registered: 03/02/08
Loc: Nebraska
Quote:
Sounds like a bunch of whimpy cattle to me. They DIE because of 3.5' of snow?
That's a good snow, but it doesn't seem that uncommon.

What exactly is the cause of death for this mass casualty?
How many wild animals died because of the snow? Just seems very odd to me.


Most were still on summer pasture so they had little or no cover. Remember western SD and western Nebraska, which also had large losses in it's cow herds, do not have many trees for cover. It's just all open grassland with little or no cover. Plus because it was so early the cattle weren't used to the cold. Just a few days before the blizzard hit those cattle were in upper 80 to low 90 degree weather.

On the day western SD and Ne got hit with this storm, in northeast Ne, Wayne Ne got hit with an E4 tornado. The weather people said it's only the 6th recorded E4 tornado to hit in the month of Oct. They said the last one was in 1979.
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#4043030 - 10/09/13 07:46 AM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
Tracks445 Offline
trapper

Registered: 08/05/10
Loc: Central Pennsylvania
Yeah well 1.46 a lb for cattle that aren't going to be at the sale barn at all isn't a bunch of money it's no money. It takes almost a year and a half to 2 years to finish out beef loose breeding stock plus grow outs your up the creek my friend. And I didn't think about them not being insured some smaller guys can't afford it and bigger guys sometimes don't care.
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#4043148 - 10/09/13 08:51 AM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
trapperMD Offline
trapper

Registered: 08/27/13
Loc: eastern SD
3.5 feet of snow with 60 mile per hour winds in the prairie with NO cover. The cattle go to draws and get covered up and suffocate. Range cattle usually tough critters but not bright critters.
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#4043162 - 10/09/13 09:06 AM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
Mtwildman Offline
trapper

Registered: 11/06/08
Loc: S.C. Missouri
Sounds like this should be declared a disaster and the ranchers get some help. I have also been wondering if this storm system affected any grain crops or was harvest over up there.
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#4043206 - 10/09/13 09:37 AM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
andy weiser Offline
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Registered: 06/17/13
Loc: montana
It is a disaster big time.3 1/2 feet of snow with 60 mile an hour winds is a blizzard and they had a doozy.one of the ranches i trap has a daughter in college over there.she sent pictures of the day after,my god was the first words out of my mouth.the breaks filled with snow, looked 10 to 20 feet deep.the heavy equipment being used to clear the roads that were in the canyons was shorter than the drifts.nothing survives harsh winter better than cattle and there is no such thing as wimpy cattle,they got buried alive!and this is not a topic to be ignorant with your mouth!no one works harder or longer a day than a rancher and i darn sure feel for them right now.that was a devastating storm.
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#4043208 - 10/09/13 09:39 AM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
sdco300 Offline
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Registered: 12/30/11
Loc: avon, south dakota
I was at the sale barn yesterday. in South East SD. Not only cattle took a hit. The sheep population got hit really bad also. Some ranchers are holding out hope that the sheep made it to the trees in the deep canyons. But it doesn't look good.
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#4043223 - 10/09/13 09:46 AM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Fairchild #17]
grumley701 Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/01/11
Loc: North Dakota
Originally Posted By: Fairchild #17
Sounds like a bunch of whimpy cattle to me. They DIE because of 3.5' of snow?
That's a good snow, but it doesn't seem that uncommon.

What exactly is the cause of death for this mass casualty?
How many wild animals died because of the snow? Just seems very odd to me.


I'm not trying to be rude but we have wind out here and unless you've experienced it, its difficult for you folks that live in the wooded ground to appreciate what that wind with snow is capable of doing out here.

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#4043247 - 10/09/13 10:01 AM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Fairchild #17]
MOIAtrapper Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/18/11
Loc: SE Missouri
Originally Posted By: Fairchild #17
Sounds like a bunch of whimpy cattle to me. They DIE because of 3.5' of snow?
That's a good snow, but it doesn't seem that uncommon.

What exactly is the cause of death for this mass casualty?
How many wild animals died because of the snow? Just seems very odd to me.


Never been around cattle much have you?

It went from 80 degree's, to 30 degree's in 24 hours, with extreme winds and 4 foot of snow. Not just cattle died. Horses, pigs, sheep, pretty well anything that was out side did.

Shock can happen when temps drop that quick, compounded with pounding wind and high snow depths. If it would have happened in January, the cattle would have had a much better chance of surviving.

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#4043301 - 10/09/13 10:29 AM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
TreedaBlackdog Offline
trapper

Registered: 01/16/07
Loc: SW Iowa/NW Missouri
guys we still have leaves on the trees and the grass is green - none of the cattle are acclimated for this type of storm, many were still out on rangelands - kind of like you tromping around in your skimpies and trying to make it several miles across 4 foot of snow and 50 mph winds

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#4043314 - 10/09/13 10:34 AM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Fairchild #17]
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Registered: 05/18/10
Loc: SIL...not Chicago
Originally Posted By: Fairchild #17
Sounds like a bunch of whimpy cattle to me. They DIE because of 3.5' of snow?
That's a good snow, but it doesn't seem that uncommon.

What exactly is the cause of death for this mass casualty?
How many wild animals died because of the snow? Just seems very odd to me.


Maybe you could figure it out from these pictures.
http://talk.newagtalk.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=422110&posts=38&start=1
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#4043331 - 10/09/13 10:47 AM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
gkraft Offline
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Registered: 01/11/12
Loc: Timber Lake, SD
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#4043396 - 10/09/13 11:37 AM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Recondo]
remrogers Offline
trapper

Registered: 03/11/07
Loc: NW Oregon
Originally Posted By: RECONDO
My Question.

we have a number of 40000 cows, but of those 40000 cows how many cattle ranchers lost cows. (4, 8, 25, 100? it is relevant.)

Now was it really 40000?

I hope the insurance company counts em...



Generally speaking, insurance won't pay for any dead livestock, unless you can produce a receipt to prove the amount you have invested. Know a cowman that had turned down an offer of 40K for a proven bull, only to have the critter killed by lightening. Insurance company would not pay anything as the bull had been born on the ranch and therefore didn't "cost" them any money.

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#4043404 - 10/09/13 11:44 AM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Recondo]
remrogers Offline
trapper

Registered: 03/11/07
Loc: NW Oregon
Originally Posted By: RECONDO
My Question.

we have a number of 40000 cows, but of those 40000 cows how many cattle ranchers lost cows. (4, 8, 25, 100? it is relevant.)

Now was it really 40000?

I hope the insurance company counts em...



Generally speaking, insurance, if you have it, won't pay for any dead livestock, unless you can produce a receipt to prove the amount you have invested. Know a cowman that had turned down an offer of 40K for a proven bull, only to have the critter killed by lightening. Insurance company would not pay anything as the bull had been born on the ranch and therefore didn't "cost" them any money.

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#4043411 - 10/09/13 11:49 AM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
warrior Offline
trapper

Registered: 01/28/07
Loc: Georgia
Hmmm, I see a trend. Because some folks dont pay attention they never would believe such and act accordingly. Imagine that.

Guys this made the evening news. I know I caught it on fox, just wasnt reported extensively due to other stories.
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#4043436 - 10/09/13 12:10 PM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
watermann2 Offline
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Registered: 12/20/11
Loc: catskill mnts, New York
These weather extremes have been predicted . But messengers get shot around here....
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#4044243 - 10/09/13 08:15 PM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
jasonv Offline
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Registered: 11/22/11
Loc: State of Confusion
Until you have been in a blizzard on the wide open prairie you have not seen bad weather.

There is a precedent for this in South Dakota and the Great Plains.

In 1888 there was the school children's blizzard. 235 people died. The temperature swing in a 24 hour period was 100 degrees.
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#4044261 - 10/09/13 08:21 PM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: watermann2]
BuckNE Offline
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Registered: 12/17/12
Loc: Nebraska
Originally Posted By: watermann2
These weather extremes have been predicted . But messengers get shot around here....


ROFLMAO

Yeah, global warming produces heavy snowfall and increased Arctic and Antarctic ice packs.

Fact is, NOTHING the global warming alarmists have ever predicted has ever come true.
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#4044263 - 10/09/13 08:21 PM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
Old Relic Offline
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Registered: 02/08/12
Loc: Northwest, Alabama
I wonder what this did to the deer and other wildlife. The coyotes survived I am sure, and it looks like they'll be eating well all winter.
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#4044266 - 10/09/13 08:24 PM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
jasonv Offline
trapper

Registered: 11/22/11
Loc: State of Confusion
Local news is reporting 60,000 dead.
One of the reasons the interstate was closed was dead cows.


Here is the story
http://www.keloland.com/newsdetail.cfm/more-than-60000-cattle-dead-in-blizzard/?id=154348
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#4044354 - 10/09/13 08:54 PM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
K91773 Offline
trapper

Registered: 01/02/11
Loc: Southeast KY
That is unreal, obviously there is no way most of the ranchers will be able to recover from that blow, the uninformed look at beef prices at the store and think the cattlemen are getting rich but it is a really tight business particularly the last few years with high feed prices and high fuel prices and then this, I am sure it will finish a lot of them off. They are in my prayers.

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#4044355 - 10/09/13 08:54 PM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
MT bowhunter Offline
trapper

Registered: 03/08/13
Loc: mt
Talked to a guy from Faith SD today. He said it rained over an inch before the snow hit. The cattle were wet and cold and in a 70 MPH wind with no cover. Bad combo if you are a cow.
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#4044373 - 10/09/13 09:01 PM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
ccoyote Offline
trapper

Registered: 04/10/09
Loc: benton cty, Minnesota
No one even knows how many cattle died at this point. At first it was 10 to 20,000 now its up to 60-100. You guys have to remember that a lot of people are still looking for there missing cattle... For those who cant figure out why these cattle died I will explain. These cows had little to any winter coat yet it is only October. The weather changed quickly warm to cold 30 some degrees with rain for the first 12 hours got the cattle soaking wet with high winds these cattle are already cold at this point now the snow/sleet comes and they have to deal with that for the next 2 days. These cattle were physically unprepared for this kind of weather. The worst part for them was the rain that cam before hand. If this blizzard came when it was 20 degrees out already they would have been okay. Try taking a cold shower while standing in a barn fan at even 50 degrees for 12 hours then have that change to snow and deal with that for another 2 days and be covered up to your chest. With the insurance that is difficult situation most don't carry it and only carry it for certain times of the year you aren't going cover blizzard insurance in july for instance. The 36 + inches was just not expected...

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#4044387 - 10/09/13 09:05 PM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
Tracks445 Offline
trapper

Registered: 08/05/10
Loc: Central Pennsylvania
You can insure an animal that was born on the farm how else would a closed herd pay for animals killed in a bind like this. I've seen livestock killed in all kinda ways we let the farmer know they give the report to the insurance company they hope to get market value. that's what is normally payed market value.
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#4044414 - 10/09/13 09:11 PM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
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trapper

Registered: 09/30/13
Loc: Green County Wisconsin
if they are all packed in snow and ice , can they still be sold on the dog food market


If i had a frozen steer or cow or bull . I would be thinking about borrowing my brothers snow machine to run out and bring my quarters back in my sled with a little ingenuity a lot of folks could eat good this winter in SD.

a few years ago the neighbor had a steer hang it's self on a gate , well the chain between the gate and the post we cut it up those were the best stakes i ever had it was only about 600 pounds and tender.
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#4044482 - 10/09/13 09:45 PM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: MOIAtrapper]
Fairchild #17 Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/27/06
Loc: Millville, Pennsylvania
Originally Posted By: MOIAtrapper
Originally Posted By: Fairchild #17
Sounds like a bunch of whimpy cattle to me. They DIE because of 3.5' of snow?
That's a good snow, but it doesn't seem that uncommon.

What exactly is the cause of death for this mass casualty?
How many wild animals died because of the snow? Just seems very odd to me.


Never been around cattle much have you?

It went from 80 degree's, to 30 degree's in 24 hours, with extreme winds and 4 foot of snow. Not just cattle died. Horses, pigs, sheep, pretty well anything that was out side did.

Shock can happen when temps drop that quick, compounded with pounding wind and high snow depths. If it would have happened in January, the cattle would have had a much better chance of surviving.



I grew up on a 600 head dairy farm and worked on that farm from the time I was 4 years old. Yep, bedding and putting cows in the parlor to be milked at 4 years old, standing on a 5 gallon bucket so I could reach the button to move the gates forward. My dad worked 16 hour days 6 days a week, and 12 hours on Sunday. We ate supper at 8:30 at night, and I thought that was normal.
The original post said 3.5 foot of snow and mentioned nothing about the winds, temperature drop or 20 foot drifts that everybody else seems to know about.
Our dairy heifers had seen much worse than 3.5 ft of snow here in Pennsylvania, so that is why I questioned how those cattle could succumb to such conditions.

Here's an intelligent answer:
"I'm not trying to be rude but we have wind out here and unless you've experienced it, its difficult for you folks that live in the wooded ground to appreciate what that wind with snow is capable of doing out here."

And answers like this, well the word is found in the last sentence:
"nothing survives harsh winter better than cattle and there is no such thing as wimpy cattle,they got buried alive!and this is not a topic to be ignorant with your mouth!"

When you here about 3.5' of snow, you picture snow up to a cows belly......you don't picture 20' drifts of snow no matter how ignorant you might be.
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#4044582 - 10/09/13 10:34 PM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
Law Dog Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/11/10
Loc: Central, SD
Get in with a herd of SD range heifers with calves and see how long you last. By the way it was not an intelligent statement you made in the first place!! whistle
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#4044622 - 10/09/13 11:05 PM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Fairchild #17]
MOIAtrapper Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/18/11
Loc: SE Missouri
Originally Posted By: Fairchild #17


Here's an intelligent answer:
"I'm not trying to be rude but we have wind out here and unless you've experienced it, its difficult for you folks that live in the wooded ground to appreciate what that wind with snow is capable of doing out here."

And answers like this, well the word is found in the last sentence:
"nothing survives harsh winter better than cattle and there is no such thing as wimpy cattle,they got buried alive!and this is not a topic to be ignorant with your mouth!"

When you here about 3.5' of snow, you picture snow up to a cows belly......you don't picture 20' drifts of snow no matter how ignorant you might be.




What? I really missed you point.

Moving on, plains cattle usually can endure most storms. But a swing in those temps, wet from rain, 50 plus mph winds, plus 4 feet of snow, nothing had a good chance of survival there.

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#4044644 - 10/09/13 11:33 PM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
Fairchild #17 Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/27/06
Loc: Millville, Pennsylvania
Yep, right over your head..........
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#4044678 - 10/10/13 12:44 AM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
mousie Offline
trapper

Registered: 07/13/13
Loc: OH
thats a lot of bait piles
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#4044745 - 10/10/13 03:38 AM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
jdw2825 Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/30/08
Loc: Metolius, Oregon
Its a detrimental loss. Anyway you kook at it. Families will suffer.

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#4044762 - 10/10/13 04:16 AM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
west river rogue Offline
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Registered: 12/25/06
Loc: Philippines,,ohio
SAD,,very sad.
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#4044768 - 10/10/13 04:19 AM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Law Dog]
west river rogue Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/25/06
Loc: Philippines,,ohio
Originally Posted By: Law Dog
Get in with a herd of SD range heifers with calves and see how long you last. By the way it was not an intelligent statement you made in the first place!! whistle

Nope was dumb as heck,,whimpy cattle,,try south dakota range cattle,,pa cattle wouldnt hold a candle.
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#4044771 - 10/10/13 04:35 AM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
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cows and calves can take some cold and snow, but getting wet first really sucks the heat out of them.

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#4044839 - 10/10/13 06:36 AM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Law Dog]
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Originally Posted By: Law Dog
Get in with a herd of SD range heifers with calves and see how long you last. By the way it was not an intelligent statement you made in the first place!! whistle


You're right, I'd probably even have a hard time getting hired as a ranch hand asking the ranchers if I could look after the heifers and their calves. Back East, heifers don't have calves. whistle



It's a terrible tragedy once explained well. You just can't picture 10s of thousands of cattle dying while loafing around in 3.5 feet of snow.
Rain, quick cold snap, high winds and drifts.......makes sense now.
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#4044847 - 10/10/13 06:46 AM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
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Wow is all I can say....freak storms.

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#4044943 - 10/10/13 07:51 AM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
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If i had a frozen steer or cow or bull . I would be thinking about borrowing my brothers snow machine to run out and bring my quarters back in my sled with a little ingenuity a lot of folks could eat good this winter in SD.





You are kidding right,They are not frozen and they are not bled out so the meat would be ...Terrible
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#4045018 - 10/10/13 08:40 AM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
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Snowpa,to answer your question about salvage of the meat.It would be dog food at best.when they lay there that long with their guts still in them they bone soured fast and are definitely not fit for human consumption.with the breaks,draws,and coolies full of snow I would imagine just getting to half of them would be tough.

Fairchild 17- what you said would be like going to someones funeral and making a joke about them in front of their friends.i know you didn't meen anything by it and neither did I,just drop it and lets move on to something like trapping.
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#4045147 - 10/10/13 09:39 AM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
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Fairchild, big diffrence between a dairy and a beef outfit..........over your head
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#4045250 - 10/10/13 10:52 AM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
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What do you do with 60K dead cows? You cna't burn that many, can't bury that many, too many trails to snare yotes on....
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#4045264 - 10/10/13 11:00 AM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Mtwildman]
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Originally Posted By: Mtwildman
Sounds like this should be declared a disaster and the ranchers get some help. I have also been wondering if this storm system affected any grain crops or was harvest over up there.


Yes it did. Just got a report from our SD offices and regional managers, and it sounds as if there were alot of soybeans lost due to the storm. Surprisingly going to be able to pick some of it, as it just flattened the crop from the wind and snow, but still going to be quite a loss.

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#4045271 - 10/10/13 11:05 AM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Rye]
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Pet food at best if you can get to them on time. Burying is still the best way to deal with those kinds of numbers if don't want animals laying around to decompose naturally. One can burn them as well if allowed. The naiton's beef herd is the smalledst in 50-60 years but 60K is still about .1 to .2% of the total herd. There will be obvious impacts on the ranchers within the high loss area. How many cow calf operators carry insurance? Also how many have insurance for weather related issues or Acts of God if you will?
One of the questions I would have with the timing of the storm were the stocker calves already gone to feed lots or were they part of the loss? If the a major portion of the deaths were market calves that is a lot different than if most of the losses were cows that were bred back for next spring. One is a major 1-2 year hit, the other is a major 2-5 year hit.

Bryce

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#4045430 - 10/10/13 12:52 PM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
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my friend in Rapid City says it was 750k cattle lost

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#4045507 - 10/10/13 01:31 PM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
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Starting to show in the markets a little today, with some 6 weight steers toping out at over $2.00 # now. Also seems like increase demand in heifers today, gee wonder why. I have been on about 25 different auctions today, and some seem to not give this all much thought, but you can tell at others there is concern. cattle are good property right now.........RTT
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#4045527 - 10/10/13 01:43 PM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
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I talked to a friend of mine who is lineman trying to restore power to the 9000 people in the western part of state still without power. He said as the snow melts more and more dead cattle, sheep, and horses are showing up. He also said its starting to stink. Ranchers are still searching for some of their cattle hoping some survived. They are following the trails of dead ones praying to find some alive. Some are finding cattle up to 20 miles from where they were. Most have already started documenting their losses and burying them. Its total devastation for some families.
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#4045646 - 10/10/13 02:57 PM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: gkraft]
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From 60K to 750K is a wide range and that will cause the markets to respond if there is any indication that the losses in that area are even remotely close to 3/4 of a million head.

Bryce

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#4045726 - 10/10/13 03:43 PM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
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just spread some corn for the phesants would ya!!!!!! need a few to make it till season!
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#4045811 - 10/10/13 04:50 PM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: BIRDOGS]
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Remember most will have been cows or bred first calf heifers. So if there is 40,000 lost, that means 40,000 fewer calves to hit the market next year.

And on top of that ranchers will need new cows to start new herds. This means if we take 160,000 calves, 80,000 steers and 80,000 heifers. It would take half of the heifers, or 40,000 to be held back from slaughter to start new cow herds. Which of course means 40,000 less animals on the slaughter market in 2015.

Beef prices aren't going to get any cheaper for quite some time.
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#4045977 - 10/10/13 06:24 PM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
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Honestly 40000 head is a drop in the bucket if ur talking slaughter market.
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#4046087 - 10/10/13 07:18 PM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: jjbathke2001]
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If it stays at 40,000. Just the number I used as an example.
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#4046098 - 10/10/13 07:22 PM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: jjbathke2001]
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Originally Posted By: jjbathke2001
Honestly 40000 head is a drop in the bucket if ur talking slaughter market.


If it's your drop in the bucket its a pretty devastating hit.

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#4046164 - 10/10/13 08:01 PM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
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No I feel horrible for the farmers adn ranchers that lost all they had. I wasn't trying to lessen the impact of what happend if thats how it came across. I was reffering to everone who said its going to really hurt the beef market. It won't.
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#4046468 - 10/10/13 10:21 PM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: jjbathke2001]
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I am a lineman helping with the storm in bison, there are lots and lots of cattle dead out here.
They have finished flying there system at grand electric we're i am working, the total broken pole count is 4206 on the ground. It will be weeks before power is restored to everyone out here.
Talked with an old timer today and he said it was almost100 years ago to the day that the same devastating type storm rolled through the area causing this extent of livestock loss. Also said it was one of the snowiest winters on record that followed it too.

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#4046595 - 10/11/13 12:18 AM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
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a dr. got snowed in on a hunt in the mountains, he thought, well it is just 3-4 miles down hill to the truck, he barely made it he could tell what stage of hyperthermia he was in, he got too wet, was lucky to get to his truck, all downhill, and then cattle are tougher, so if they died it was worse than that time

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#4046837 - 10/11/13 07:52 AM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: jjbathke2001]
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No I feel horrible for the farmers adn ranchers that lost all they had. I wasn't trying to lessen the impact of what happend if thats how it came across. I was reffering to everone who said its going to really hurt the beef market. It won't.


I see it as another link in the chain that doesn't let the market improve.

The cattle inventory is at about late 50s early 60s level. Of course we have a lot more consumers now, plus more exports, so demand is high while supply is low. Last year here we had the drought and $220 a ton alfalfa. Many older cows that would have been kept for another year or two went to slaughter. The sales barns were full of older cows going to slaughter last fall. So that meant thousands of fewer calves this spring, and thousands of replacement heifers needed. In 2010 and 2011 it was Texas that had the drought and high hay costs so again thousands of cows hit the market and thousands of calves were not born for a couple springs. Plus thousands of more replacement heifers needed. Now we add thousands of more cows taken out of the system from this snow storm, and who knows what winter will bring.

40,000, 50,000 or even 60,000 isn't a big hit market wide. But when we keep getting these hits over and over again, the bred cow inventory never gets a chance to build up, so prices stay higher.
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#4047253 - 10/11/13 01:39 PM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
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Fox News has the story front page now...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/10/11/sou...-100000-cattle/
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#4047282 - 10/11/13 02:00 PM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: hunter88]
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Originally Posted By: hunter88
Quote:
No I feel horrible for the farmers adn ranchers that lost all they had. I wasn't trying to lessen the impact of what happend if thats how it came across. I was reffering to everone who said its going to really hurt the beef market. It won't.


I see it as another link in the chain that doesn't let the market improve.

The cattle inventory is at about late 50s early 60s level. Of course we have a lot more consumers now, plus more exports, so demand is high while supply is low. Last year here we had the drought and $220 a ton alfalfa. Many older cows that would have been kept for another year or two went to slaughter. The sales barns were full of older cows going to slaughter last fall. So that meant thousands of fewer calves this spring, and thousands of replacement heifers needed. In 2010 and 2011 it was Texas that had the drought and high hay costs so again thousands of cows hit the market and thousands of calves were not born for a couple springs. Plus thousands of more replacement heifers needed. Now we add thousands of more cows taken out of the system from this snow storm, and who knows what winter will bring.

40,000, 50,000 or even 60,000 isn't a big hit market wide. But when we keep getting these hits over and over again, the bred cow inventory never gets a chance to build up, so prices stay higher.

I agree the hits are piling up last year drought in the Midwest two years ago we were buying cows outa Texas by the pot load cheap before that it was Kentucky n Florida.
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#4047301 - 10/11/13 02:11 PM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
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add in the virus killing the piglets on the hog farms and meat is going to be unreal next year...Glad I hunt!
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#4047315 - 10/11/13 02:19 PM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
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I just read that those of will not effect the price of beef in the US. The numbers are just a drop in the bucket. I do feel for them and I live very close to where this happened and we lucked out big time.

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#4047318 - 10/11/13 02:20 PM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
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Look, I feel bad for both the cattle and the farmer, but if you don't recognize the difference between thousands of cattle dying and thousands of people dying, I'm not wasting the time conversing with you.

Have a good day.
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#4047403 - 10/11/13 03:25 PM Re: 40000 cattle dead in South Dakota? [Re: Gary Benson]
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Yeah feel worse for the cattle. What makes people so much better than cattle. We're all just animals in the end anyways. People can reason so if 40000 adults died Id say we needed to thin the herd.
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