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WAXING - do canine traps have to be waxed? #394562
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i talked with a fellow trapper in my area this morning and he is having problems catching coyotes too. i asked if he waxed his traps and he did. he said last year he didnt wax, and he caught a bunch of coyotes. this year they walk around his sets and wont come in. Me on the other hand did not wax mine, but did dye them and i cant catch a thing with those. i've had coyotes walk right by the set and not even come into them.

guestion. do they need to be waxed?

Re: do canine traps have to be waxed? [Re: wiggler] #394566
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some i wax some i don't and i catch fox depends on who you ask

Re: do canine traps have to be waxed? [Re: wiggler] #394568
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No, they don't have to be waxed or dyed. But it should'nt effect your catch unless the wax was contaminated with an odor.

Re: do canine traps have to be waxed? [Re: Latrans] #394601
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From your description and different experiences between the both of you, one may almost conclude that your partner's wax was contaminated, because of his success and ability to catch coyotes with unwaxed traps in the past.

In your case, there may be a high probability that if you are a relatively inexperienced coyote trapper, that you are using too much lure at your sets. Just a thought for your consideration if in fact you may think that might be true. You really do not need much lure this time of year at any canine set.

You asked, "Do they need to be waxed?" "Yes" for some trappers; and "No" for others! The Yes/No quotient comparison mentioned between you and your friend certainly makes one wonder about the math in that equation. What do you think?

I traditionally have dyed and waxed all of my coil springs and long springs for land and water sets for 55 years. That is what I was taught as a kid. It works, and I continue to use that combination out of habit. I personally cannot speak to using unwaxed canine traps from experience because I have never done it.

Your post very well may draw out opinions from those who do not use either conventional dyes, or wax, but use a commercial "dip" for canine traps instead.

Keep an open mind with the flood of responses this thread might awaken.

Jonathan

Re: do canine traps have to be waxed? [Re: Jonathan] #394604
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Get the vast majority of the rust off of them and spray paint them if you are asking my opinion. I have been doing this and haven't seen any marked difference in digups or canines avoiding my sets. Just as long as you let them dry a day or two in a well ventalated area.


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Re: do canine traps have to be waxed? [Re: Hamman] #394655
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Here's my take on it.. When you wax a trap properly (that is, bring the trap up to the same temp as the wax), you purge all the 'pores' on the metal of the trap and fill them in with unscented wax making the trap scent free.

Waxing also makes a trap operate more smoothly.

Both are benefits that I think are important. I'm sure you can catch critters without doing this, but I'll continue to wax my traps.

Re: do canine traps have to be waxed? [Re: TrapperJake] #394663
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I wax all my canine traps also.


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Re: do canine traps have to be waxed? [Re: Bottomline] #394670
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All the big number coyote men that I know wax their traps, often way more than once a year. Sure you can catch yotes without wax, but I bet you catch more with.

Re: do canine traps have to be waxed? [Re: DaveM] #394696
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The use of wax or not using wax is not your problem with too many walk-bys. As has been stated already, using too much lure is probably the #1 culprit in set avoidance followed by excessive human scent and odd foreign odors tracked off one footwear, human tracks left in sand or snow, etc, unnatural appearing sets or a combination of all four together being too suspicious for a naturally wary coyote.
As for the wax, I prefer to wax traps as it keeps them from rusting for a longer period, makes traps easier to clean up after a catch and makes them spring quicker. It has nothing to do with set acceptance or avoidance. I have harvested thousands of coyotes with waxed traps and thousands with just dyed traps and could never see any difference in acceptance,, avoidance or digging at the trap. Ace

Re: do canine traps have to be waxed? [Re: Asa Lenon] #394715
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well i put maybe a teaspoon full of bait in the hole with maybe a glob of lure the size of a big pea. i have flat sets out that look awesome to me, and i have dirthole sets out.
i have dyed and waxed traps also for years. this year i didnt wax, only dyed them. let them hang in a tree for 4 days and than put them in gallon ziplocks with some peatmoss in it. everything should be perfect. i wear hip boots, kneel on a pad and set my bucket on canvas. i can catch everything but a coyote. i'll keep pluggin away for another 10 days till gun season gets close. maybe i'll get lucky and have a stupid one walk by and fall in my trap.

Re: do canine traps have to be waxed? [Re: wiggler] #395212
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any other ideas?

Re: do canine traps have to be waxed? [Re: wiggler] #395215
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You may have answered your own question. You said that gun season was on. I've noticed a decreased catch rate on coyotes when deer season is open.


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Re: do canine traps have to be waxed? [Re: itrapny] #395220
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One more thing comes to mind, coyotes generally can not be crouded. Sets when possible should be made where a coyote can see clearly around in every direction for a reasonable distance and feel confident nothing is going to trick or jump him before lowering their guard to commit to a set and examine a hole. I have seen trappers go from zero catches to impressive catches on this one small detail alone. Ace

Re: do canine traps have to be waxed? [Re: Asa Lenon] #395224
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I wax all my coilsprings. I agree that it makes them spring faster, cleanup better after a catch, and don't rust during use as fast. I have tried just dying them with logwood dye, but notice that they develop surface rust just hanging in the fur shed......


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Re: do canine traps have to be waxed? [Re: Coondogger] #395252
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Most of the big number coyote men i know DON'T wax traps. Wax or don't wax don't mean squat, what does matter though is, did he use dirty wax?

A skunked up trap will ruin a whole batch of wax, been there, done that! I quit waxing 20 years ago or more. If the wax he dipped with was clean he's doing something else to cause them to avoid the set, over luring probably.

Id tell him to just leave the sets be and stay as far away as possible from them when checking, if things don't change in a week then his traps have something on them the coyotes don't like.

Wax is a sponge for forein odors by the way, it picks up anything that touch's it, why I don't fool with it anymore.


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Re: do canine traps have to be waxed? [Re: Jtrapper] #395305
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I am not a big numbers man but I have caught more coyotes than everyone else in my county, put together. I am in VA. I don't wax, (entirely personal descision).

If I baited and lured with your recipe, I would expect a coyote catch by late december, and thats only if I didn't catch fifteen other critters first. Given your location I would say wait until a nice cold night, you will do OK. In the future, ease up on the quantity of bait and lure, the luremakers reccomendations are put on the bottle by luremakers, get it? Get some possums, and you will learn how much lure to put out, real quick.

Re: do canine traps have to be waxed? [Re: ] #395309
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fish oil??? i do have my sets in the corners of cut down corn fields where the farmer must have put in rye or some sort of grass. the backing in using on one is a rock the size of a cantalope, the others im using a small peice of wood or just a chunk of high grass in the field. couple sets i have just off the 2-track on tree lines/ cut down crops fields. it is strange to me i could catch a bunch of fox when i was younger, now that i have time to catch a coyote i seemed to be failing something terrible. i even had a talk with Asa at the convention about how big to make the dirtholes. im trying small holes, orange size holes, this combo that combo. im just jinked at catching one darn coyote.
one thing i havent tried was fishoil... you wouldnt be foolin an ole fooler would ya? :o)

Re: do canine traps have to be waxed? [Re: ] #395317
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like my social studies teacher says(hes a real jerk) you dont have to do anything, but there may, or may not be consequences if you dont do it, i hope this helps

Re: do canine traps have to be waxed? [Re: ketchikan] #395357
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How warm has it been up there? How much moisture? If it has been warm, your lure might be a little loud and it needs time for the set to cool down so to speak. If it has been moist out, then it could be scent problem. Is there any chance of cross contamination of your clothing/gear? Are you setting where the animal is coming in downwind? Just throwing out some thoughts.

Re: do canine traps have to be waxed? [Re: Don Adams] #395373
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If the wax he dipped with was clean he's doing something else to cause them to avoid the set, over luring probably.
Id tell him to just leave the sets be and stay as far away as possible from them when checking, if things don't change in a week then his traps have something on them the coyotes don't like.

Good advice, stay away from those sets, no adding or changing lure or bait, no fussing, just stay away. I'll bet you'll nail some coyotes within a few days. Good luck! Ace

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