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Re: marten habitat/ where??? [Re: MartenMan] #322136
09/04/07 06:50 AM
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Nice fisher.Congradulations.


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Re: marten habitat/ where??? [Re: white17] #322145
09/04/07 07:18 AM
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 Originally Posted By: white17
That is a big one for sure. I don't know about the 160 but I'll bet you could catch him on a pole. How did you catch him?


He refused to climb a pole. Ran around the pole 2 different times during our short season before resuming his hunt. Big pole !!

He could not pass up the box when it was at eye level though. Wife brought him home the last day of the season .

Re: marten habitat/ where??? [Re: ] #322233
09/04/07 09:49 AM
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Well I can see the reason right away. Those aren't poles you have in that picture. Thats just thick grass growing around there :-))


Yeah I've had wolverine do the same thing. I catch more on poles because I set more poles for marten/wolverine just to keep the wolverine frome taking live marten from the trap. A snare on a pole is easier to keep working in snowy weather.


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Re: marten habitat/ where??? [Re: white17] #322334
09/04/07 11:35 AM
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Can hardly wait for season to get here.

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Re: marten habitat/ where??? [Re: Bruce T] #322475
09/04/07 02:11 PM
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white17, the picture of that XXXL FISHER was taken in north central minnesota. as you can see, it is good looking woods, but not marten country. therefore, i believe 2poors target catch was fisher and bobcat. referring back to the very top of this topic, those pictures show our minnesota north woods, and our pristine marten habitat. and thats were the pole set became the hot topic.
i have been thinking about your male to female kill ratio for pole sets compared to ground sets. if we could get enough people interested, we could do a survey to determine if set style truely makes a difference in male/female harvest.


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Re: marten habitat/ where??? [Re: MartenMan] #322492
09/04/07 02:38 PM
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i for one will sign up for that, keep track of sex and even weight and whats caught in what size trap and how its set. i never keep records but i should.

Re: marten habitat/ where??? [Re: Grubstake] #322691
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i would sign up for the survey

Re: marten habitat/ where??? [Re: mntrapperboy] #322829
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Hate to have Grasshopper upset !

Back to Marten pictures. Well maybe not. How about more Fisher in the Marten woods !

Some more of the country.




I will even stoop so low as to catch them in Culverts !

I was just teasing ! Look at our extensive use of poles .


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Re: marten habitat/ where??? [Re: ] #323430
09/04/07 11:21 PM
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the grasshopper never gets upset! going to the northwoods for a few days. i will bring back some picks of what trapping is like when you get off the road 20 feet.


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Re: marten habitat/ where??? [Re: MartenMan] #323457
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There are wolves in them woods !!

I will stay near my truck ! Thank You

Re: marten habitat/ where??? [Re: MartenMan] #323523
09/05/07 12:03 AM
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 Originally Posted By: MartenMan
white17, the picture of that XXXL FISHER was taken in north central minnesota. as you can see, it is good looking woods, but not marten country. therefore, i believe 2poors target catch was fisher and bobcat. referring back to the very top of this topic, those pictures show our minnesota north woods, and our pristine marten habitat. and thats were the pole set became the hot topic.
i have been thinking about your male to female kill ratio for pole sets compared to ground sets. if we could get enough people interested, we could do a survey to determine if set style truely makes a difference in male/female harvest.


I think that would be good. I have done it over the years on my line in a rough manner. There's no doubt in my mind that it makes a difference. The one huge problem is trying to control for all the variables. The biggest one of course is location. If all locations were created equal then this would be easy. Unfortunately they're not.

Here is what I believe works in my area. If I put a pole set in heavy timber and a ground set ten feet away, the marten in the ground set will usually be a female and will shun the pole. This supports 2Poor's position that it's easier to catch them in cubbies.

Now if I am setting in more open country with black spruce and large open areas and if I make the same 2 sets I will most likely catch a male. It might be in either set but it's likely to be a male because of the location. It's a more dangerous environment for marten because there is much less overhead cover. Consequently, there are more males in those areas than females simply because they are more aggressive and risk takers compared to the girls.

These situations and the problems with voles and shrews are the reasons that I am convinced that using all pole sets will reduce the take of females.

In the first example in heavy timber, if there had only been a pole set, that marten may not have been caught. That's ok with me. I understand it's different with different seasons and limits.

One bit of data that you might find interesting is that slightly over 70% of my marten are caught by the left foot. It doesn't matter the trap type or how the trap is set on the pole. SO:

1. Are they left handed ?
2. Are they standing on their weak foot and reaching for the bait with their dominant foot?
3. Are they ambidextrous and its just random chance?

I think they are clearly "handed" but I don't know which......yet.


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Re: marten habitat/ where??? [Re: white17] #326074
09/06/07 11:08 PM
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Cool discussions guys, try to make it a little less interesting so I can acutually study. Within good marten habitat which I'm assuming I'll find throughout St. Louis county, please tell me if I'm wrong. What do I need to look for as far as location? I have 120 and 160 box cubbies I am planning on using on leaning poles, vertical trunks and on the ground. I am more inclined to use them on the ground because I can pile brush up on them to make my box stand out. Should I do this like on would for fisher? Is anyone familiar with the areas near Duluth and two-harbors? I would prefer to drive around a half hour to the start of my trapping area. Any good areas to check out? I'm not trying to steal on anyones territory just looking for ideas. The biggest thing is how to pick THE SPOT to place the set. Is it breaks, transitions, or right in the middle of the thick stuff?

Re: marten habitat/ where??? [Re: johnsd16] #326089
09/06/07 11:19 PM
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i think you got the right idea about looking for transitions, i think edges are important whatever your doing, hunting, fishing and trapping.
i dont think being right on "the spot" is real critical either, watch a fisher or marten in the woods, there checking everything out.

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