#3254307 - 08/01/12 11:42 PM
Re: Trappers Sue Minnesota Over Nonresident Law
[Re: Longbow]
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trapper
Registered: 03/30/07
Loc: Mo.
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So it is wrong for trappers to stand up for their constitutional rights?
Edited by Rem22-250 (08/01/12 11:44 PM)
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#3254308 - 08/01/12 11:42 PM
Re: Trappers Sue Minnesota Over Nonresident Law
[Re: Longbow]
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trapper
Registered: 03/08/12
Loc: TN
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What I think is that anytime you weaken states rights you give more power to use federal law against states.
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#3254313 - 08/01/12 11:44 PM
Re: Trappers Sue Minnesota Over Nonresident Law
[Re: Rem22-250]
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trapper
Registered: 03/08/12
Loc: TN
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If trappers don't stand up for their constitutional rights who will? Are you referring to the commerce clause or taxing power. I see you agree with Roberts vote on health care.
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#3254314 - 08/01/12 11:49 PM
Re: Trappers Sue Minnesota Over Nonresident Law
[Re: Longbow]
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trapper
Registered: 03/30/07
Loc: Mo.
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Neither.
"that the law denies them the privileges and immunities of citizens of the United States and that the law denies them equal protection of the law."
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#3254326 - 08/02/12 12:16 AM
Re: Trappers Sue Minnesota Over Nonresident Law
[Re: Longbow]
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trapper
Registered: 03/08/12
Loc: TN
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It seems to me that until this point the privilege has been one of a citizen of the state.
High rat prices now have the constitutionalists popping out of the woodwork.
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#3254445 - 08/02/12 06:53 AM
Re: Trappers Sue Minnesota Over Nonresident Law
[Re: gray dog]
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trapper
Registered: 12/23/06
Loc: 10714 Apple road Carthage,Mo6...
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It seems to me that until this point the privilege has been one of a citizen of the state.
High rat prices now have the constitutionalists popping out of the woodwork.
checks and balances......checks and balances....gray dog......
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#3254449 - 08/02/12 07:03 AM
Re: Trappers Sue Minnesota Over Nonresident Law
[Re: gray dog]
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K9man
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Thank you Bobmo, the five nonresidents of MN whom are plaintiffs, and those dedicated MN resident trappers/fur harvesters who have took a stand on behalf of all US trappers. You guys are in the process of making history by standing up for all of our Constitutional rights.
I hope this will be the catalyst for all trappers to stand up, donate financially and personally as needed by being a plaintiff if future cases are developed, and help a dedicated group of individuals (to be named later at their own chosing)to get NR regulations, and state laws as needed, changed to give all nonresident trappers/fur harvesters from every state, all across the nation, complete and irrefutable parity with resident trappers/fur harvesters.
I am proud to be a member of your group.
Pat Rose
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#3254453 - 08/02/12 07:05 AM
Re: Trappers Sue Minnesota Over Nonresident Law
[Re: Longbow]
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trapper
Registered: 12/24/06
Loc: New York
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This lawsuit is about interstate commerance, not trapping regulations. I respect out of the trappers that are actually doing something instead of just crying about it.
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#3254454 - 08/02/12 07:11 AM
Re: Trappers Sue Minnesota Over Nonresident Law
[Re: walleyed]
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trapper
Registered: 04/23/12
Loc: mn
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Wait till the ANTI's see this and start copycat suing all the state DEC's and DNR's across the country to get whatever trapping laws they want changed they way they want them.
It's a potentially VERY slippery slope we could be sliding down.
All we need is another round of Ballot Initiatives before the General public on whether or not we should be trapping.
I'm all for fair and equitable Non-resident trapping rights in Minnesota and South Dakota, and where ever else we are restricted from trapping, but there has to be a better way to go about it.
It will be interesting to watch it unfold and also see the LAW OF UN-INTENDED CONSEQUENCES rear it's ugly head.
Get strapped in and enjoy the ride fellow trappers.
walleyed Hogwash- there are no better ways. how many years has this topic came up in mn? it is time to put up or shut up, period. michael
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#3254479 - 08/02/12 07:32 AM
Re: Trappers Sue Minnesota Over Nonresident Law
[Re: Longbow]
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trapper
Registered: 12/20/10
Loc: Minnesota
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I can assure you it's not about the "high prices" of muskrats, or any other furbearer for that matter, to me. I've never trapped more than 150 rats in one season. I'm about as "hobby" trapper as they come. I simply want the opportunity to be able to take my grandchildren on a trapping trip at some point in the future. As the oldest is 5, I needed to get going. We tried last session using the legislative process and didn't even receive a hearing in either the house or senate to the bills before them. Those of you outside of MN (and many within) have no idea of the stranglehold a minority of trappers, who are well connected politically, have on the legislators in this State. For those of you who believe we've entered a slippery slope regarding anti-hunting/trapping groups ability to sue over seasons, I think you worry too much about too little. I've always believed that the DNR in MN be required to manage the resource based upon the ability to sustain it, not which group of people they favor. There is factually no biological reason to not allow NR trappers in MN. I was told that by the DNR in a meeting I had with them last fall. This suit does absolutely nothing to prevent the DNR from managing the resource based upon biological criteria. In fact, it will affirm it. The only restrictions I have today with respect to trapping, are the ones put in place by other trappers. Changing this law will increase the opportunity for all trappers, not diminish it.
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#3254484 - 08/02/12 07:40 AM
Re: Trappers Sue Minnesota Over Nonresident Law
[Re: Longbow]
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paul antczak
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#3254520 - 08/02/12 08:03 AM
Re: Trappers Sue Minnesota Over Nonresident Law
[Re: KSpanky]
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trapper
Registered: 04/19/11
Loc: south dakota
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I read somewhere else that South Dakota has already been served papers from the same lawyer. For what? There is a non res season for SD and all MN has to do is make the same rules as SD to let in non res.Make the season for non res as cold and frozen as possible then close the season right before spring. They can put what ever price they want on a non res permit .I am not saying this is not a good idea but I do not think this will go in the direction we are all hoping for. Good luck.
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#3254530 - 08/02/12 08:14 AM
Re: Trappers Sue Minnesota Over Nonresident Law
[Re: Longbow]
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trapper
Registered: 12/20/10
Loc: Minnesota
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South Dakota has not been served a complaint from Mr.Peterson. He is not licensed to practice law in that State.
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#3254562 - 08/02/12 08:39 AM
Re: Trappers Sue Minnesota Over Nonresident Law
[Re: BobMo]
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trapper
Registered: 11/09/07
Loc: minnesota
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I can assure you it's not about the "high prices" of muskrats, or any other furbearer for that matter, to me. I've never trapped more than 150 rats in one season. I'm about as "hobby" trapper as they come. I simply want the opportunity to be able to take my grandchildren on a trapping trip at some point in the future. As the oldest is 5, I needed to get going. We tried last session using the legislative process and didn't even receive a hearing in either the house or senate to the bills before them. Those of you outside of MN (and many within) have no idea of the stranglehold a minority of trappers, who are well connected politically, have on the legislators in this State. For those of you who believe we've entered a slippery slope regarding anti-hunting/trapping groups ability to sue over seasons, I think you worry too much about too little. I've always believed that the DNR in MN be required to manage the resource based upon the ability to sustain it, not which group of people they favor. There is factually no biological reason to not allow NR trappers in MN. I was told that by the DNR in a meeting I had with them last fall. This suit does absolutely nothing to prevent the DNR from managing the resource based upon biological criteria. In fact, it will affirm it. The only restrictions I have today with respect to trapping, are the ones put in place by other trappers. Changing this law will increase the opportunity for all trappers, not diminish it. This statement is absolutely the truth! I seen the writing on the wall several years ago and in meetings with the DNR got the same results. This non-resident law MN currently has been needed to be changed many years ago but CERTAIN PERSONS did not want it. Thus it was not done! THe excuses of not pursuing this have now ended, I can promise you guys I will be stopping by with the monies I promised and will be sending more as need be. I wish I only had more to give, maybe at the first of the year I will. Thanks Bob, Robert and the rest that took the routes others had not thought of. Gary
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#3254630 - 08/02/12 09:34 AM
Re: Trappers Sue Minnesota Over Nonresident Law
[Re: michael_obrien]
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trapper
Registered: 02/21/10
Loc: Woodville, N.Y. Jefferson Coun...
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Wait till the ANTI's see this and start copycat suing all the state DEC's and DNR's across the country to get whatever trapping laws they want changed they way they want them.
It's a potentially VERY slippery slope we could be sliding down.
All we need is another round of Ballot Initiatives before the General public on whether or not we should be trapping.
I'm all for fair and equitable Non-resident trapping rights in Minnesota and South Dakota, and where ever else we are restricted from trapping, but there has to be a better way to go about it.
It will be interesting to watch it unfold and also see the LAW OF UN-INTENDED CONSEQUENCES rear it's ugly head.
Get strapped in and enjoy the ride fellow trappers.
walleyed Hogwash- there are no better ways. how many years has this topic came up in mn? it is time to put up or shut up, period. michael Not Hogwash, in my opinion. I guess we shall all watch it play out in court, and If and when you Muskrat Warriors win, I will shake your hands and admit I was wrong. BUT, BUT, BUT, If you fall flat on your faces, and end up opening a PANDORA'S BOX .....will you do the same thing ?? IMHO walleyed
Edited by walleyed (08/02/12 09:53 AM)
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#3254751 - 08/02/12 11:27 AM
Re: Trappers Sue Minnesota Over Nonresident Law
[Re: Longbow]
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trapper
Registered: 11/16/10
Loc: Northeast MO
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I've read this thread a couple times through and maybe I'm missing and/or not understanding something. From what I've gleaned through this thread alone is that the basis for this lawsuit comes from a group of people that want to force the DNR to open up trapping opportunities for out of state trappers. Is that about the size of it or is there more to it?
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#3254757 - 08/02/12 11:32 AM
Re: Trappers Sue Minnesota Over Nonresident Law
[Re: Longbow]
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trapper
Registered: 12/20/10
Loc: Minnesota
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The State of MN was served a complaint from out of state trappers and Resident trappers that states the current statute prevents non-resident trappers the opportunity to trap in Minnesota UNLESS they purchase land. Furthermore, us Resident trappers are prevented from trapping any of our borders states because of our restriction on non-residents (reciprocity).
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#3254761 - 08/02/12 11:35 AM
Re: Trappers Sue Minnesota Over Nonresident Law
[Re: Longbow]
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trapper
Registered: 02/22/10
Loc: pa
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if nothing else, this otta get their attention that there are people on the other side of the fence from the ones who push for no non-resident trapping.
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#3254767 - 08/02/12 11:38 AM
Re: Trappers Sue Minnesota Over Nonresident Law
[Re: Longbow]
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trapper
Registered: 11/09/07
Loc: minnesota
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The plaintiffs would be due a better job of answering your questions beards, bottomline is this all other avenues on this attempt to get non-resident trapping allowed has been exhausted. I also know that from personal experience. The MNDNR has continually stated they need a trappers organization to back the non-resident issue. So one was formed, then the DNR backtracked and stated well it would have to be the biggest which is the MTA. MTA has stated it is the DNR's decision and they need to make it, even if all in the MTA voted in favor MTA stated they would not support or deny support only showed what the vote was. So with several options in the DNR's hands including polling the state trappers through the ELS (which they have never followed through on) the hand has been forced due to constitutitional rights we as citizens have. (Of course all the stated above all opinion, my disclaimer LOL even though I was there) This is what courts are for, WHEN ALL OTHER OPTIONS HAVE BEEN UTILIZED THEN we need to actions other ways.
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