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Re: Recently completed Stealth Bird Netting Project [Re: Bob Jameson] #3221010
07/10/12 07:13 PM
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Pesky....a permit is required except for pigeons, starlings, sparrows.

Re: Recently completed Stealth Bird Netting Project [Re: Bob Jameson] #3221026
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We talk about it at the madca meetings. The hairy and downy woodpeckers are common in our area. Here is the list of protected migratory birds in the act. http://www.fws.gov/migratorybirds/RegulationsPolicies/mbta/mbtandx.html

Re: Recently completed Stealth Bird Netting Project [Re: Peskycritter] #3221040
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Peskycritter,
Will McDearman is assigned to the Mississippi Field Office of the USFWS.
http://www.fws.gov/mississippiES/staff.html
McDearman, Will / Regional Red-cockaded Woodpecker Coordinator / 601-321-1124

I will call him tomorrow. I believe that you misinterpreted what he said. Even so, you still have to comply with state law and regulation, or SSS. What is your real name, address and phone number in case he wants to have a local FWS employee contact you? shocked


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Re: Recently completed Stealth Bird Netting Project [Re: Peskycritter] #3221060
07/10/12 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted By: Peskycritter
Don't take my word for it ..........


DUH!!!
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Last edited by trapper4hire; 07/10/12 07:44 PM.

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Re: Recently completed Stealth Bird Netting Project [Re: trapper4hire] #3221089
07/10/12 07:52 PM
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O ya beautiful netting job Bob


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Re: Recently completed Stealth Bird Netting Project [Re: trapper4hire] #3221514
07/10/12 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted By: Peskycritter
Don't take my word for it ..........


DUH!!!
best advice ever


best post ever...


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Re: Recently completed Stealth Bird Netting Project [Re: Bob Jameson] #3221534
07/10/12 10:58 PM
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I know I didn't miss understand the guy because I asked the same Q ten times and I know the customer / lawyer dint miss understand that was on the three way phone . We were trying to get a permit but was refused by mr mcdearman because one was not needed . Mr mcdearman also explained that we needed to contact the state of Michigan to clear it with them . That was the lawyers next call . please make the call so everybody is clear on this . I was also at the madca meeting and herd the woodpecker speech and that's why I told the customer he need to apply for a permit him self .


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Re: Recently completed Stealth Bird Netting Project [Re: Bob Jameson] #3222113
07/11/12 02:30 PM
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Thanks bob for the great pictures

Re: Recently completed Stealth Bird Netting Project [Re: Peskycritter] #3222655
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Peskycritter,
Reference: I talked with Will McDearman today. He did remember that someone from Michigan had called him a couple of months ago, initially to discuss something about Red-cockaded Woodpeckers (they aren’t found in Michigan). As the conversation developed, woodpecker control was discussed with two different individuals. The requirements of the Migratory Bird Treaty Act were covered as well as some off-hand banter. When the conversation ended, he wasn’t sure that the caller fully understood the legal requirements.

Mr. Mc Dearman was very cordial and informative. I do suggest that you contact the Michigan office of the USFWS and the Michigan DNR . Please let us know what the local enforcement authorities have to say.


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Re: Recently completed Stealth Bird Netting Project [Re: Bob Jameson] #3223179
07/12/12 09:09 AM
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This looks like a miscommunication. I just feel bad for the guys out there that are not reading the boards, or participating in training. Otherwise, they might let a miscommunication guide them for years.

Re: Recently completed Stealth Bird Netting Project [Re: Bob Jameson] #3223294
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Dave I would suggest you call Mr Mc dearman or drop him a email


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Re: Recently completed Stealth Bird Netting Project [Re: Bob Jameson] #3223296
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I don't work with birds at all.

Re: Recently completed Stealth Bird Netting Project [Re: Peskycritter] #3223636
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Originally Posted By: Peskycritter
Dave I would suggest you call Mr Mc dearman or drop him a email


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Re: Recently completed Stealth Bird Netting Project [Re: Bob Jameson] #3223734
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Latrapper was told the same thing I was told most woodpecker no permit is needed or can be granted but make sure you check you're state laws . That's the facts . I've have better things to do than makeup some woodpecker story . If you look on the page that Latrapper posted it shows the four woodpeckers they wish to protect on a federal level . The woodpecker would not need to be harmed ether just place a excluder trap over that quarter size hole after dark and then relocate the little devils there should be two holes one twice the size of the other thats the females hole . Like I've said before call mr Mc dearman and get the facts . That's one more thing he told me if anybody gives trouble over removing damage causing woodpecker just have them call me .


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Re: Recently completed Stealth Bird Netting Project [Re: Bob Jameson] #3223930
07/12/12 07:10 PM
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The problem with regulations, is that they take an attorney to understand. Here is the opening sentance of the link LATRAPPER posted. "The following is a list of species protected by the Migratory Bird Treaty Act as well as the Endangered Species Act (ESA)." Key works are "as well as". This means BOTH Acts. Of course, a bird may be protected by one act and not the other.

Here is a list of the birds protected by the Migratory Bird Treat Act:
http://www.fws.gov/migratorybirds/RegulationsPolicies/mbta/mbtandx.html

Note that there are quite a few woodpeckers listed:
WOODPECKER, Acorn, Melanerpes formicivorus
American Three-toed, Picoides dorsalis
Arizona, Picoides arizonae
Black-backed, Picoides arcticus
Downy, Picoides pubescens
Gila, Melanerpes uropygialis
Golden-fronted, Melanerpes aurifrons
Great Spotted, Dendrocopos major
Hairy, Picoides villosus
Ivory-billed, Campephilus principalis
Ladder-backed, Picoides scalaris
Lewis’s, Melanerpes lewis
Nuttall’s, Picoides nuttallii
Pileated, Dryocopus pileatus
Puerto Rican, Melanerpes portoricensis
Red-bellied, Melanerpes carolinus
Red-cockaded, Picoides borealis
Red-headed, Melanerpes erythrocephalus
[Strickland’s (see Arizona)]
[Three-toed (see American Three-toed)]
White-headed, Picoides albolarvatus

Please correct me if I'm wrong....I just spent 5 minutes on this topic....got better stuff to do!

Re: Recently completed Stealth Bird Netting Project [Re: Bob Jameson] #3224226
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Re: Recently completed Stealth Bird Netting Project [Re: Bob Jameson] #3224234
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Another guidance document from Purdue, page 6. This is indiana....but note the federal permit for woodpeckers. http://www.extension.purdue.edu/extmedia/FNR/FNR_404_W.pdf

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