When are guys going to learn this stuff is not dye???

I didn't claim it to be dye tmr, and think the original poster was just using "dye" as a general figure of speech. I just know rust is coming through the coating and based on everything I have read, that is not a good thing for canines. Maybe I'm wrong and this won't hurt anything. I have caught a couple of yotes using it, rust bleeding through and all. I am very much a rookie and plan on maybe trying it again. Then again I might just try dyeing and waxing as I have never tried that before. Can't speak for everyone on here, I'm just trying to figure out what works best for me and believe the original poster was just trying to ask for a little help with what he feels is a problem. I don't think he meant that it is actually a dye. Thanks to those that offered their advice and help. Thanks Seldom, great explanation and pics. To the original poster, hope I didn't hijack your thread, I am glad you asked the question as I have been wondering the same thing, Thanks!

Need to get Newt Sterling to notice this thread. He makes/markets F1. He should be able to answer any questions.

He is responding to the other current F1 thread about "latex."

The DIRECTIONS say

TRAPS should have a coating of light rust on them or the steel of the trap should have a rough surface before dipping.(CAUTION:Heavy rust will bleed through).

Its out of my hands when people DONT follow instuctions.



I know ,I know, EVERYBODY FOLLOWS THE INSTUCTIONS

A little surface rust is not going to keep you from catching coyotes.Not saying it is ideal or not to treat your traps in some manner but people worry to much about stuff that isn't all that important...

I wasn't intending to cause a ruckus just wanted a reasonable answer/explanation to my question. I don't see the rust as being a problem to catch the animal itself but more to add to the integrity of my equipment. Being rust free as possible. My traps weren't heavily rusted whatsoever. However, the rust bled through 3-4 layers of f-1 that was my only point as I didn't think it should be happening. Good bad I dont know I just preferred it not to be there. Thanks for the help.

Same with me Jimmy, I didn't mean to create a ruckus either, but it does upset me when people say I didn't follow instuctions and that it was my fault. Maybe it is, I surely don't know all, but find it hard to believe I had too much rust on the new traps that I sprayed with 50/50 vinegar and water and let sit for less than 24 hours. I actually had to spray them several times the day I coated them just to get what I thought was a light coating of rust on them. And yes I used baking soda to neutralize the vinegar and they were free of oil. Maybe F1 is the greatest thing since sliced bread for some, but when the owner accuses me of not following directions when I did, in what to me seems a rude manner, I will definatly not buy anymore of his product. I was going to give it another shot, but not anymore. Thanks again to all that helped.

Oh well,

Some people like me, Some people dont.
But you will ALWAYS know what I'm think'n.

If the shoe fits were it.

newt

this f1, will it stick good if the trap is etched(like with vinegar) or does it need some surface rust?

Etched is the BEST

couldn't a guy just dip them another 2 or 3 times? Cause I have the same problem and that's what I was gonna do.

I have read all these posts carefully and I have to say that I do not think that this product is worth buying! I know that I followed the instructions precisely and I still have the rust problem that has been described here. I am very disappointed in both the product and the company that markets said product. Plainly said, this product is junk! And because of the way the individual responded to these very valid concerns, they don't seem like a company that I want to do business again. That is no way to treat a customer...unless you know deep down that you don't have a quality product in the first place.

Yep, after 14 years of product sales increasing each year. I see just what you mean.

Does this mean that I get a "F" in customer relations ?

Rust was bleeding threw, just today I've dipping them a few times and it's stopping it!

As you say, "if the shoe fits, where it".

P.S. I've dipped my traps no less that 3 times and the rust problem persists, so I don't see that solution working. If this was a car, I would call it a lemon.

I wasn't trying to call F-1 a bad product. I'm sure its a great product a lot of people like it. However I dipped my traps several coats as did these other guys. 3-4 and still had rust showing. Possibly I didn't follow the directions to a T but I did my best to do exactly as stated on the directions. My only question /concern was if this was gonna cause me any issues (more rusting to my trap), not that F-1 was a faulty product. Nor was I trying to kill a sale or harm a business. Either way... If/and this was the best thing since sliced bread, I wont buy another drop. If I was a product owner, I would respond to the people who was buying my product a little different.

Jimmy S.
trapper

Registered: 01/02/11
Loc: NW Georgia
"I wasn't trying to call F-1 a bad product."

Thank You

" I'm sure its a great product a lot of people like it."

Yes, some do. Not all but some.Never said its for everybody

"However I dipped my traps several coats as did these other guys. 3-4 and still had rust showing."

OK

"Possibly I didn't follow the directions to a T but I did my best to do exactly as stated on the directions.
Maybe maybe not ,"

OK

" My only question /concern was if this was gonna cause me any issues (more rusting to my trap),"

Cant say for sure

"not that F-1 was a faulty product."

Thank you again

" Nor was I trying to kill a sale or harm a business."

I got that ,Thank you

" Either way... If/and this was the best thing since sliced bread,"

I never said that

"I wont buy another drop."

Fine this is AMERICA

"If I was a product owner, I would respond to the people who was buying my product a little different."

I got that. Your not me

No comprende- you speak Espanol?

¡Sí!

I bought a can and trying it this year. We will see what happen. The traps are new and free from rust.