Dyed up a bunch of traps with about 3 coats of Formula 1. Rust is bleeding through a little is this ok or gonna cause me any problems?

Thanks!

Land traps or water???

Water i would say leave em go....land traps i would say try waxing them....i tried formula 1 on footholds and had the same issue...used em to set for beaver a few days and went back to dye and wax...not a fan of the rust coming through on my canine traps...but some guys use formula 1 and love it....

I tried F1 on coni's and had the same problem. Went to spray paint instead. Like it on snares though.

They are land traps. I just didnt know if I should soak them in vinegar for a week derust and start from scratch. Or, if they would be ok like that and the rust wouldnt advance any more. They werent rusted bad they are new traps.

what you used is GARBAGE...or you used too little !

What are you saying LT, that the product is no good to begin with for that application, or that it goes bad in some way? I sure didn't like what it did on my coni's and would never use it on foot holds based on that.

What a lot of folks do is mistakenly think that F1 is a dye OR they try and treat it like a dye. It's not a dye, it's a membrane and therein lies the problem! If there is any rust on the steel, the rust being a sharp-type compound will penetrate through the membrane as it dries and tightens to the surface of the steel. Once the membrane has been compromised, oxygen is allowed to excelerate(rust is an oxide) the rusting.

In addition, F1 is a water-based compound, if there are(and there will be) any pits in the steel(caused by previous rusting) or rust itself, the water molecules in the F1 are in contact with the rust and pits so more rusting occurs IF the membrane isn't allowed to dry between coats!!! This is the most important thing to remember. Completely dry between coats. If you don't the moisture will be trapped and water has it's own oxygen molecule to start and feed rust under the membrane.

The only way I have ever been successful using F1 myself is to completely derust the traps, make sure the F1 is thinned properly, and dip ONCE ONLY and allow that dipping to COMPLETELY dry. You need ALL moisture to escape the membrane before the next coat. You follow the same procedure for each coat.

I only use it on my water line traps but not on my canine traps.

I definitely didnt use too little. Its not junk its practicaly new. I think the guy above me said it perfectly. Well both of you. And I did assume it would treat the trap like speed dip. Oh well I think I have decided that was a wasted 60 bucks its just not for me.

How did you mix it...what ratio?

What color?

If mix ratio was 3 water/1 F1 or less water and it's black in color AND we were closer I might would buy it from you.

Where on the trap is the rust

New traps come with oil on them which can be hard to remove , this oil could be your problem , my K9 traps , first go the car wash , then there boiled in lye or something close , not really sure why you would use vinegar , vinegar does work good on you if you get hit by a skunk , if there new traps with oil or they have been waxed your going to need to float that stuff off by just adding more water , if you don't it's just going to go right back on the trap when you lift your traps out , Then I take them back to the car wash , if there new your going to have to let them rust some before the next step , Then I boil them in log wood die , then lay them out and take the garden hose to them , let them dry then dip in wax till there clear , hang in a open area for two weeks then there clean and ready to go . I do use speed dip on all my other traps good stuff ,

I understand the boiling process vinegar etc. I boiled all the factory grease off the traps with hot water and baking soda. When they came out they were grease free. Also they have never been waxed. I used the vinegar to prerust the traps over night and I sprayed what vinegar may have been on them off before I dipped them. The rust is all over the traps. Its not bad by no means mainly spots. Just didnt want my traps to be a mess when I get them out next year. Swampwolf I mixed per the directions but its brown.

Jimmy I did the same as you, cleaned off the oil,pressure washed, use vinegar to rust, soaked in baking soda and water to stop the rust then dipped once dry. Dipped according to instructions 4 times and only once completly dry. Mine are doing the same thing as yours. Might try to dip them once more to see how it works, but will probably try dye and wax.

If you don't strip the F1 off it won't make any difference how many more times you dip them, the rust will continue making more rust and bleed through. The traps have to be RUST FREE BEFORE dipping!

Thought somewhere read or heard that the prep is the same as some source rust to let it adhere to the trap , my problem was no source rust

I believe it was in the directions on the can. I can honestly say that I questioned the reasoning behind having a rusted trap. Since F1is a membrane not unlike paint, you certainly wouldn't paint over rust and not expect it to come through! Also since F1 is water-based, you're adding more hydrogen and oxygen to excelerate the making of more rust. You make more or help it to speard and it will bleed through and it'll lift the membrane as it spreads compromising the integrity of the entire trap from rusting.
From the experimenting I've done it's exactly the opposite as stated in their directions.

Anyone know the best way to strip F1 off of traps?

Im sure the best way (not cheapest) would be enough paint thinner to soak them in for a day or 2. I have had mine in buckets with 100 % vinegar for 5 days now. I checked them 2 days ago and the F1 was ready to peel off then. I'm going to pressure wash them this weekend and dip them with the "bad stuff". Worked last year pretty sure it will work again this year too.

While I was trying to find out how to apply the F1 properly, I had to learn the best way to remove it. If there is rust bleed-through the rust has actually lifted the membrane off the steel. I found a soaking in a typical 50/50 mix of vinegar and water for 3-4 days and the F1 will come off easily with a powerwasher (as you see in my two photos). In fact, depending on how extensive the rust beneath, you will be able to remove a lot of it just by rubbing with your fingers(if you don't have a power washer).

Seldom, I like your rig you have made to remove the dye off without having to chase the traps around with the pressure washer. Thats pretty engenius.

When are guys going to learn this stuff is not dye???

I didn't claim it to be dye tmr, and think the original poster was just using "dye" as a general figure of speech. I just know rust is coming through the coating and based on everything I have read, that is not a good thing for canines. Maybe I'm wrong and this won't hurt anything. I have caught a couple of yotes using it, rust bleeding through and all. I am very much a rookie and plan on maybe trying it again. Then again I might just try dyeing and waxing as I have never tried that before. Can't speak for everyone on here, I'm just trying to figure out what works best for me and believe the original poster was just trying to ask for a little help with what he feels is a problem. I don't think he meant that it is actually a dye. Thanks to those that offered their advice and help. Thanks Seldom, great explanation and pics. To the original poster, hope I didn't hijack your thread, I am glad you asked the question as I have been wondering the same thing, Thanks!

Need to get Newt Sterling to notice this thread. He makes/markets F1. He should be able to answer any questions.

He is responding to the other current F1 thread about "latex."

The DIRECTIONS say

TRAPS should have a coating of light rust on them or the steel of the trap should have a rough surface before dipping.(CAUTION:Heavy rust will bleed through).

Its out of my hands when people DONT follow instuctions.



I know ,I know, EVERYBODY FOLLOWS THE INSTUCTIONS

A little surface rust is not going to keep you from catching coyotes.Not saying it is ideal or not to treat your traps in some manner but people worry to much about stuff that isn't all that important...

I wasn't intending to cause a ruckus just wanted a reasonable answer/explanation to my question. I don't see the rust as being a problem to catch the animal itself but more to add to the integrity of my equipment. Being rust free as possible. My traps weren't heavily rusted whatsoever. However, the rust bled through 3-4 layers of f-1 that was my only point as I didn't think it should be happening. Good bad I dont know I just preferred it not to be there. Thanks for the help.

Same with me Jimmy, I didn't mean to create a ruckus either, but it does upset me when people say I didn't follow instuctions and that it was my fault. Maybe it is, I surely don't know all, but find it hard to believe I had too much rust on the new traps that I sprayed with 50/50 vinegar and water and let sit for less than 24 hours. I actually had to spray them several times the day I coated them just to get what I thought was a light coating of rust on them. And yes I used baking soda to neutralize the vinegar and they were free of oil. Maybe F1 is the greatest thing since sliced bread for some, but when the owner accuses me of not following directions when I did, in what to me seems a rude manner, I will definatly not buy anymore of his product. I was going to give it another shot, but not anymore. Thanks again to all that helped.

Oh well,

Some people like me, Some people dont.
But you will ALWAYS know what I'm think'n.

If the shoe fits were it.

newt

this f1, will it stick good if the trap is etched(like with vinegar) or does it need some surface rust?

Etched is the BEST

couldn't a guy just dip them another 2 or 3 times? Cause I have the same problem and that's what I was gonna do.

I have read all these posts carefully and I have to say that I do not think that this product is worth buying! I know that I followed the instructions precisely and I still have the rust problem that has been described here. I am very disappointed in both the product and the company that markets said product. Plainly said, this product is junk! And because of the way the individual responded to these very valid concerns, they don't seem like a company that I want to do business again. That is no way to treat a customer...unless you know deep down that you don't have a quality product in the first place.

Yep, after 14 years of product sales increasing each year. I see just what you mean.

Does this mean that I get a "F" in customer relations ?

Rust was bleeding threw, just today I've dipping them a few times and it's stopping it!

As you say, "if the shoe fits, where it".

P.S. I've dipped my traps no less that 3 times and the rust problem persists, so I don't see that solution working. If this was a car, I would call it a lemon.

I wasn't trying to call F-1 a bad product. I'm sure its a great product a lot of people like it. However I dipped my traps several coats as did these other guys. 3-4 and still had rust showing. Possibly I didn't follow the directions to a T but I did my best to do exactly as stated on the directions. My only question /concern was if this was gonna cause me any issues (more rusting to my trap), not that F-1 was a faulty product. Nor was I trying to kill a sale or harm a business. Either way... If/and this was the best thing since sliced bread, I wont buy another drop. If I was a product owner, I would respond to the people who was buying my product a little different.

Jimmy S.
trapper

Registered: 01/02/11
Loc: NW Georgia
"I wasn't trying to call F-1 a bad product."

Thank You

" I'm sure its a great product a lot of people like it."

Yes, some do. Not all but some.Never said its for everybody

"However I dipped my traps several coats as did these other guys. 3-4 and still had rust showing."

OK

"Possibly I didn't follow the directions to a T but I did my best to do exactly as stated on the directions.
Maybe maybe not ,"

OK

" My only question /concern was if this was gonna cause me any issues (more rusting to my trap),"

Cant say for sure

"not that F-1 was a faulty product."

Thank you again

" Nor was I trying to kill a sale or harm a business."

I got that ,Thank you

" Either way... If/and this was the best thing since sliced bread,"

I never said that

"I wont buy another drop."

Fine this is AMERICA

"If I was a product owner, I would respond to the people who was buying my product a little different."

I got that. Your not me

No comprende- you speak Espanol?

¡Sí!

I bought a can and trying it this year. We will see what happen. The traps are new and free from rust.

Is it ever going to end,LOL.