#3120213 - 04/14/12 07:52 AM
Re: drowning rods
[Re: Flipper]
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trapper
Registered: 12/23/06
Loc: Central NC
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Curt--a shorter side works better on larger rebar..when I make those, I make it 1/2" instead of like your 1" sidewall, so the opposite side is 1.5", or even 1", to get more outta the material. Beavers don't care if it is a 45* angle, just so you attach trap to the longer side. I use 3/32" (.093) wall thick tubing, not 1/8".
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#3120226 - 04/14/12 08:02 AM
Re: drowning rods
[Re: Flipper]
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trapper
Registered: 08/04/11
Loc: st lawrence county, New York
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yup thats exactly how I made mine, traprjohn may be correct about the shorter ones, I really would have no idea, i just made mine as shown and tried it out to see if it worked...havent had anyproblems yet ...but that doesnt mean there arent better ideas out there
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#3123026 - 04/16/12 07:31 AM
Re: drowning rods
[Re: Flipper]
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trapper
Registered: 06/21/08
Loc: North Carolina, "Safe Fox" Co.
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Excellent, thanks John and Yote addict. I figure it wouldn't be a bad idea to knock up a dozen or so in preparation for the summertime beav. calls and next year. Assuming of course that my ADC cert. comes through by then...
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#3123317 - 04/16/12 12:43 PM
Re: drowning rods
[Re: traprjohn]
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trapper
Registered: 12/10/10
Loc: WI, between EauClaire and Supe...
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[quote=WI Coonarse]They're no good on rocky bottoms or in deep sand bottoms. [/quote
Not true, I slide about 35# of weight down the rod to the stop, maybe 3-4 brake rotors or steel chunks.
You can get weights free from some mechanic or machine/welding shops.
Beaver can't drag the weight over the rocks or thru sand, or push it as deep as possible in sand.
I cut rods 8' and 12'.
If it's way too long, just run it up the bank to a sapling and wire at ground level and end washer the stake would normally go thru. As alreaudy said, in my opinion if you have to use weights at the bottom you're defeating the purpose of the rod. WHen I say soft sand I'm talking about the real soft stuff, where the water looks a foot deep but you sink to your waist in the sand on the bottom. That won't hold a rod, I use 10 footers. Yes a weight at the bottom will work in both these situations but I see no need to carry a rod and a weight. I use cable or chain in spots where I need a weight.
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#3124089 - 04/16/12 08:11 PM
Re: drowning rods
[Re: Flipper]
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trapper
Registered: 12/31/07
Loc: minnesota
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I use rods in soft bottoms all the time, even silt. Beaver can't get any leverage in soft bottoms, so it doesn't take as much to hold them. I just double or even triple stake them on the bank. I first stake the top end farther up on the bank, then the second (and third) stake is staked at the trap. That way the beaver can't come up or go side to side. Works good. I actually make special stakes for that purpose. I've still never a rod pulled out.
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#3124163 - 04/16/12 08:33 PM
Re: drowning rods
[Re: Flipper]
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trapper
Registered: 08/28/08
Loc: st. lawrence county ny
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Goldy,what do you use,a stake with a hooked over end to go over and stake the rod.I am asking about the second and third stake at the trap comment you made.I was putting some together and was thinking of welding a 6" rod across the top end of the rod for double staking instead of a single washer right on the end.What are your thoughts on doing it that way and just double staking the top end to begin with?A lot of my beaver trapping is in very soft silty bottom and I worry about them getting the rod loose and pivoting on a single stake and bringing it back to the bank.
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#3124306 - 04/16/12 09:24 PM
Re: drowning rods
[Re: CLT]
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trapper
Registered: 12/31/07
Loc: minnesota
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Goldy,what do you use,a stake with a hooked over end to go over and stake the rod.I am asking about the second and third stake at the trap comment you made.I was putting some together and was thinking of welding a 6" rod across the top end of the rod for double staking instead of a single washer right on the end.What are your thoughts on doing it that way and just double staking the top end to begin with?A lot of my beaver trapping is in very soft silty bottom and I worry about them getting the rod loose and pivoting on a single stake and bringing it back to the bank. Basicly I use a 30" rebar stake with a hook welded on the end. If the bank is really soft on top I'll put two, each at a different angle, like cross staking for coyotes. I've also used two T stakes, one on each side of the rod driven in at different angles. I think your way could work, especially if the top end is good hard soil. I wonder though if your 6" rod is welded at the very end if the beaver would have enough resistance to not bring the end of the rod up. It's the law of leverage. Seems also the areas I trap when the bottom is soft the top is too, so I need the second and third stakes farther down the rod to reduce the leverage. Am I clear? It doesn't take a lot to hold them down in really soft bottoms though, I've taken some huge beaver on rods that had very little or no resistance when I pushed them in.
Edited by goldy (04/17/12 05:00 PM)
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#3124774 - 04/17/12 09:30 AM
Re: drowning rods
[Re: Flipper]
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trapper
Registered: 08/28/08
Loc: st. lawrence county ny
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Thanks goldy,that all makes sense... 6" may be to short,I had considered that.Maybe double it to a foot?
Edited by CLT (04/17/12 10:27 AM)
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#3124799 - 04/17/12 10:01 AM
Re: drowning rods
[Re: Flipper]
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trapper
Registered: 06/21/08
Loc: North Carolina, "Safe Fox" Co.
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Great thread and information fellas. Thanks to all of you!
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#3125038 - 04/17/12 01:07 PM
Re: drowning rods
[Re: goldy]
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trapper
Registered: 12/10/10
Loc: WI, between EauClaire and Supe...
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I use rods in soft bottoms all the time, even silt. Beaver can't get any leverage in soft bottoms, so it doesn't take as much to hold them. I just double or even triple stake them on the bank. I first stake the top end farther up on the bank, then the second (and third) stake is staked at the trap. That way the beaver can't come up or go side to side. Works good. I actually make special stakes for that purpose. I've still never a rod pulled out. What prevents the trap from hanging up on the extra stakes instead of sliding down the rod?
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#3125105 - 04/17/12 01:58 PM
Re: drowning rods
[Re: WI Coonarse]
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trapper
Registered: 08/28/08
Loc: st. lawrence county ny
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I use rods in soft bottoms all the time, even silt. Beaver can't get any leverage in soft bottoms, so it doesn't take as much to hold them. I just double or even triple stake them on the bank. I first stake the top end farther up on the bank, then the second (and third) stake is staked at the trap. That way the beaver can't come up or go side to side. Works good. I actually make special stakes for that purpose. I've still never a rod pulled out. What prevents the trap from hanging up on the extra stakes instead of sliding down the rod? If they are driven in above the drowning lock the likely hood of that is very low.Their initial reaction to the trap firing is to retreat to the water and leave the bank...
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#3125111 - 04/17/12 02:04 PM
Re: drowning rods
[Re: WI Coonarse]
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trapper
Registered: 01/15/07
Loc: Kent Co. Delaware
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I use rods in soft bottoms all the time, even silt. Beaver can't get any leverage in soft bottoms, so it doesn't take as much to hold them. I just double or even triple stake them on the bank. I first stake the top end farther up on the bank, then the second (and third) stake is staked at the trap. That way the beaver can't come up or go side to side. Works good. I actually make special stakes for that purpose. I've still never a rod pulled out. What prevents the trap from hanging up on the extra stakes instead of sliding down the rod? I believe the multiple stakes are above the trap,,trap can still slide down rod
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#3125151 - 04/17/12 02:41 PM
Re: drowning rods
[Re: Flipper]
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trapper
Registered: 12/10/10
Loc: WI, between EauClaire and Supe...
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I see. Must have a fair amount of rod above the trap for that to work.
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#3125319 - 04/17/12 04:54 PM
Re: drowning rods
[Re: Flipper]
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trapper
Registered: 12/31/07
Loc: minnesota
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Maybe 18" is all. It doesn't take as much as you might think. And yes the stakes go above the trap.
Edited by goldy (04/17/12 04:54 PM)
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