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#3094658 - 03/28/12 01:31 AM First Hand reviews Wanted on a Ruger
yukontrapper Offline
trapper

Registered: 02/11/09
Loc: Galena Alaska USA
Looking @ a Ruger M77 MII .223 Stainless Synthetic with 3x9 Leupold. I sold two wolf hides now got some play around funds. Reason I ask is a guy is selling one that is unfired for $750. Wanting to get into predator calling next year. Is this a good choice for what i am looking for. I have several other guns for the lighter skin critters but want to get a more accurate .223 then the Mini-14 for when i am out calling next season. Your thoughts on this gun are welcome here :-)
This jus came up today, but don't really want to jump right @ it. With out more input. I read all the reviews online about it. But wanting to know what people here think about it.


Edited by yukontrapper (03/28/12 01:52 AM)

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#3094664 - 03/28/12 01:59 AM Re: First Hand reviews Wanted on a Ruger [Re: yukontrapper]
Spek Jones Offline
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Registered: 01/10/09
Loc: Homer, Alaska
Is this close by where you can shoot it and see how well it groups before committing, or is it a long distance deal?

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#3094667 - 03/28/12 02:06 AM Re: First Hand reviews Wanted on a Ruger [Re: yukontrapper]
yukontrapper Offline
trapper

Registered: 02/11/09
Loc: Galena Alaska USA
Long distance Deal, bummer @ that. Trying to call a cousin to check it out but can't reach him. right now.

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#3094669 - 03/28/12 02:08 AM Re: First Hand reviews Wanted on a Ruger [Re: yukontrapper]
akcowboytraper Offline
trapper

Registered: 11/27/10
Loc: wasilla, AK
The ruger m77 is a good gun the bad thing on the .223 caliber is the rifling spin. So check in to that first!!! You want a slower spin like an 12:1 or 11:1 NO more. I am looking for a different barrel for my savage .223 its got a 9:1 and disintegrates my bullets with hot loads. 55gr bullet is max with a 9:1 rifling spin. 55gr bullet has 1460fps and 262 ft/bl energy @ 500 yard with a 12:1 you can kick it up to 77gr bullet and that has 1640fps and 462ft/lbs energy @ 500 yard world of difference when you want to put that wolf down. IMO I would go with the .25 wssm has way better energy and velocity at a distance like almost 2 time the energy as the .223 and you can load heavier loads.


Edited by akcowboytraper (03/28/12 02:10 AM)
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#3094674 - 03/28/12 02:18 AM Re: First Hand reviews Wanted on a Ruger [Re: yukontrapper]
yukontrapper Offline
trapper

Registered: 02/11/09
Loc: Galena Alaska USA
I'll look into it tomorrow when i call the seller. He bought it and never used it. I asked about the barrel specs and he didn't know. So i am kinda at odds about it. I use a Mini-14 and it has worked well so far. I talked it over with a buddy and we only shot one wolf over 350 yrds so far. He uses 69 gr. match ammo and i use cheapy AE 55gr ammo. Both worked so far. But then again i only shot one wolf. Snared and trapped the rest. I am thinking lighter loads, we shoot out to 200 yrds average. I'd like to stay in the .223 variety though because ammo is everywhere around here. I guess i best find out what length and twist barrel it has in the Morning. What twist rate stabilizes ammo between 55 and 70 grain pills?

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#3094676 - 03/28/12 02:22 AM Re: First Hand reviews Wanted on a Ruger [Re: yukontrapper]
smalltimetrapper Offline
trapper

Registered: 01/09/07
Loc: Interior Alaska
Actually got that backwards: 1:12 is slower than 1:8. 1:12 makes a full twist in 12", 1:8 makes full twist in 8". Most newer 223s will be either 1:8 or 1:9 in order to stabilize the bigger bullets that are in vogue these days (69gr and such).

That is about top dollar for that setup, I recently picked up a Ruger Hawkeye stainless in 22-250 w/ 3x9 Leupold for $550. The 223 works well, it is a bit hard on fox, coyote is alright as long as they don't get too close. I've had decent luck with balistic tips in my 223 as long as the distance is over about 80 yds. Under that I've had them "splash" and make a big entrance hole, over that they usually come apart inside with not much exit. No experience with this setup on wolves.
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#3094679 - 03/28/12 02:26 AM Re: First Hand reviews Wanted on a Ruger [Re: yukontrapper]
smalltimetrapper Offline
trapper

Registered: 01/09/07
Loc: Interior Alaska
That Ruger I think will be a 1:9 twist, that will work fine for all those bullet weights.
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#3094680 - 03/28/12 02:32 AM Re: First Hand reviews Wanted on a Ruger [Re: yukontrapper]
yukontrapper Offline
trapper

Registered: 02/11/09
Loc: Galena Alaska USA
He bought the gun last year, i was in the thinking, that a heavier match round might be a good choice. Slower velocity so it can be easier on the thin skinned critters, heavier for the energy on the longer shots. I guess i can't really do anything till i find out more on the barrel specs. I appreciate the information.

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#3094682 - 03/28/12 02:38 AM Re: First Hand reviews Wanted on a Ruger [Re: yukontrapper]
akcowboytraper Offline
trapper

Registered: 11/27/10
Loc: wasilla, AK
It really depends on the bullet. Im shooting the vmax and which is designed to disintegrate after impact so hot load 1:9 = not good. Most factory loads you wont have to worry much about that cause there not loaded hot so 1:9 you wont ever have a problem with that grain range. Im thinking the ruger M77 Mll .223 has a 1:9. I just like to get the most out of my varmint gun just in case I see that wolf at 500yds. Ive got mine mounted to theVortex Viper hslr 4-16x50 and love it. Just can't load my bullets to the max. frown On the other hand Ive got the Ruger M77 MII 300 win mag Stainless Synthetic stock with 3x9 Leupold and love it great guns. If you get it make sure the barrel is floating mine started touching after 8 years and threw off my grouping.
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#3094683 - 03/28/12 02:45 AM Re: First Hand reviews Wanted on a Ruger [Re: yukontrapper]
smalltimetrapper Offline
trapper

Registered: 01/09/07
Loc: Interior Alaska
Rugers are pretty decent guns if you can get over the triggers. I've got a few, ranging from 22-250 to 338. They all shoot decent, but not as good as my one hole Rem varminter. I like the controlled round feed and the three position safety.

I shoot 50 gr bullets in my 223, 55s in my 22-250. Been thinking to try some 40s and 69s to see how they work, another project I guess.

Picked up a 243 a bit ago, that seems to be a pretty versatile round. Actually got it to introduce my kids to big game hunting, but might load some wolf type rounds for it.
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#3094685 - 03/28/12 02:48 AM Re: First Hand reviews Wanted on a Ruger [Re: yukontrapper]
akcowboytraper Offline
trapper

Registered: 11/27/10
Loc: wasilla, AK
smalltimetrapper thats what I said he would want a slower 1:12 verses a faster 1:9 the fine line is the heavier bullet with the thin wall bullet the faster spin will rip apart the thin walled varmint bullet. But yes in all aspect the 1:9 is designed for the heavier bullet.
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#3094687 - 03/28/12 02:50 AM Re: First Hand reviews Wanted on a Ruger [Re: yukontrapper]
yukontrapper Offline
trapper

Registered: 02/11/09
Loc: Galena Alaska USA
I see that this gun used price range is between 500-700. Via google searching. But with the 3x9 leupold. $750 isn't that bad. I am hoping it is a 1-9 twist rate. I'll do some checking around tomorrow on more info, i think i'll call the family gunsmith and get more information on it. Dang nice Scope, like the options for turrets. I'll Have to sell more hides to get that though :-)

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#3094913 - 03/28/12 09:46 AM Re: First Hand reviews Wanted on a Ruger [Re: yukontrapper]
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I own that model and am very happy with it. Never owned a Ruger that didn't shoot well (unlike others). As with all Rugers these days the machining is a little rough. A dremel tool will fix all it's ills...

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#3095107 - 03/28/12 12:11 PM Re: First Hand reviews Wanted on a Ruger [Re: yukontrapper]
Happy Birthday Hupurest Offline
"Andy S wannabe"

Registered: 09/20/10
Loc: Alaska
i just sold a similar gun. ruger 77 mkII target stainless, in 25-06 for $550.

New never shot with the tags on it.

what kind of scope is it? a leupold what?


at this point I beleive the CDS in VX-III is the only one with the turret option.
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#3095120 - 03/28/12 12:25 PM Re: First Hand reviews Wanted on a Ruger [Re: yukontrapper]
Austin O Offline
trapper

Registered: 01/02/09
Loc: Wrangell, AK
Ruger website shows a 1:9 twist for their .223 offerings. This is pretty much the industry standard twist rate for .223.

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#3095133 - 03/28/12 12:41 PM Re: First Hand reviews Wanted on a Ruger [Re: yukontrapper]
That Fool Offline
trapper

Registered: 03/18/12
Loc: Alaska Northwestern
I would go with the mini 14, basically they were made for predator control as I have heard. They got accuracy and distance. I got 3 caribou at 400 yards with my dad's mini 14. I have the ruger m77 mark II in 270 caliber. It works just as well, pretty much both are ideal rifles. It will depend mainly on on how you shoot. The bolt action you can load one shell at a time, the mini 14 you can load one at a time but it would be difficult especially when it is 30 below. The mini 14 would probably suite best because it has open sights and the m77 don't, or at least the ones I have seen don't have.

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#3095134 - 03/28/12 12:42 PM Re: First Hand reviews Wanted on a Ruger [Re: yukontrapper]
Pittu Offline
trapper

Registered: 11/09/07
Loc: Alaska
I've seen M77's in all different flavors for sale locally on Alaskalist between $450 and $700. To me 750$ is high for a .223.

I,ve got a 338WM in M77 Hawkeye. It shoots well (corelokts shoot best, doh...) I've been really happy with it. Then again, I got it for free in a drawing...but I'd buy another M77 in a heartbeat...

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#3095605 - 03/28/12 06:36 PM Re: First Hand reviews Wanted on a Ruger [Re: yukontrapper]
Tradbow1 Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/15/11
Loc: AK
a 223 for predators is too hot! IMHO unless you reload! Bullet selection and reloading is going to be a must imho to be happy with this rifle setup on fur.

Plus I've delt with rugers customer service and it leaves a lot to be desired imho! I wasnt having work done as much as trying to find information about a no longer made rifle.

The problem with fur rifles, there is nothing that is good for everything but there is one pretty close...again it involves reloading!


Edited by Tradbow1 (03/28/12 06:37 PM)

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#3095629 - 03/28/12 06:51 PM Re: First Hand reviews Wanted on a Ruger [Re: yukontrapper]
yukontrapper Offline
trapper

Registered: 02/11/09
Loc: Galena Alaska USA
Well i Should have the Gun in tomorrow, atleast i am hoping too. It has a 22" barrel and is 1-9 twist rate. I decided jus to get it, next order a variety of ammo. What ammo are ya predator callers using on cats and fox. I'd like to stay with FMJ ammo cause it breaks up on the inside. If i use solids i may tear things up closer. I'd like to stay 75-100 yards out and do my calling. Then again, next year i get too. But through the summer i got a new toy to play with and see how it'll perform.
Hup- the scope is a VX1 3x9x40. I'll prolly take it off and put on something else. Thinking i want to put a 4x12x40 Leupold on it by next winter. Thanks for all the input that was put in on this. YT

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#3095931 - 03/28/12 09:08 PM Re: First Hand reviews Wanted on a Ruger [Re: yukontrapper]
xbr Offline
trapper

Registered: 02/04/07
Loc: Northern New York
It's a light handy rifle, all weather and shoots reasonable well. Don't get to concerned about the barrel twist. The new technology bullets like vmax, ballistic tips and blitz kings, work really well in these barrels. Use high quality bullets and you'll be happy. Don't get into the thin skirt cheap bullet unless your shooting high volume. Stay away from the heavy target and hunting bullets unless you're shpooting long range targets at known distance or trying to shoot deer with your 223. A nice hot 50 or 55 gr. is perfect for the 223.


Edited by xbr (03/28/12 09:10 PM)

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