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#3092311 - 03/26/12 06:11 PM Re: Skidoo expedition 600 ACE [Re: fishermann222]
drasselt Offline
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Registered: 05/17/10
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I don't know but it could be possible that heavier springs are available which should take some of the load off the shock.

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#3093106 - 03/26/12 10:49 PM Re: Skidoo expedition 600 ACE [Re: fishermann222]
Brother Dave Offline
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Registered: 02/25/11
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I wonder if you could clamp inner tube rubber around the boot to solve that problem?

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#3093578 - 03/27/12 11:13 AM Re: Skidoo expedition 600 ACE [Re: fishermann222]
Dirt Offline
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This here is the funniest stuff I have read in a long time. Thanks Guys! smile
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#3093673 - 03/27/12 12:51 PM Re: Skidoo expedition 600 ACE [Re: fishermann222]
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Registered: 12/23/06
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Dirt, you shouldn't start on the PBR so early in the morning.....
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#3093722 - 03/27/12 01:33 PM Re: Skidoo expedition 600 ACE [Re: fishermann222]
akcowboytraper Offline
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Registered: 11/27/10
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what do the broken carb boots look like? PIC!!! Ive taken heavy duty rubber hose and clamped it to my boot frame that bolts to the engine and clamped the hose right to the carb been working for years on my old 79' kdx. You can also have a machine shop make a bracket to put a hose on might only spend half of what it cost to buy one to have one made that will last years on end.
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#3093755 - 03/27/12 02:09 PM Re: Skidoo expedition 600 ACE [Re: fishermann222]
Dirt Offline
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#3093762 - 03/27/12 02:15 PM Re: Skidoo expedition 600 ACE [Re: fishermann222]
Kusko Offline
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LOL @ Dirt!

I was fully expecting a picture of a plate of eggs, sausage and toast with a PBR to wash it down.
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#3093768 - 03/27/12 02:19 PM Re: Skidoo expedition 600 ACE [Re: fishermann222]
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Registered: 12/22/06
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wow he has gone from drinking PBR to drinking the stuff shocks are filled with. I guess it is true, it doesn't matter what you put into a PBR box, if your in the bush long enough you will thikn whatever you take out of the box will taste like PBR. I guess the cop in "dumb and dumber" should have lived with Dirt.
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#3093792 - 03/27/12 02:38 PM Re: Skidoo expedition 600 ACE [Re: fishermann222]
Spek Jones Offline
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Registered: 01/10/09
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Loc: Homer, Alaska
Cowpoke, if'n they was an easy fix I'd a done 'er afore now. smile

They are odd shaped, kinda short, vulcanized rubber to metal, almost
square hole on one end and round on the carb end. I'm sure the local
machine shop could build a solid mount, but where the carb sets all jammed up it needs some flex in the mounting, or it will break off.

When they get a hole in them you can't get in there to even wrap anything around them as a temporary fix. Best you can do is run on full or half choke and go slow and limp it home. If you let it rip it'll seize up. At a certain point as the break gets bigger the engine wants to have a run away and you may have to hit the kill button off and on to keep it toned down. Runs different at different stages as the hole changes in size. I'll get a picture of one and maybe somebody
can come up with a way to redo them. It's got me stumped.

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#3093799 - 03/27/12 02:46 PM Re: Skidoo expedition 600 ACE [Re: fishermann222]
northway Offline
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Registered: 01/25/07
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Loc: Tok, Alaska
Yeah, had a guy running a tundra that the carb boot cracked. Ended up getting some duct tape around it to do a "temporary" patch job on it. It worked to get it home.

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#3093829 - 03/27/12 03:07 PM Re: Skidoo expedition 600 ACE [Re: fishermann222]
akcowboytraper Offline
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Registered: 11/27/10
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Spek unfortunately my old KDX got stolen a few years back or I would go and take a picture what I am talking about. its solid on the engine end and its got a rubber tube (hydraulic line) hose on the carb end for flex. Ill see what I can come up with for a reference.
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#3093836 - 03/27/12 03:13 PM Re: Skidoo expedition 600 ACE [Re: fishermann222]
Spek Jones Offline
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What model tundra Northway?
Mine is an 07 tundra 300, one of the guppy looking ones with the 3 piece
cowling. Trying to get even a torn off strip of duct tape back in there
without it being all wadded up would be about impossible without pulling
the carb and airbox. That is an option though, they are not all that hard to get off, just have to pull the secondary cluth to get to it. So far I've got by limping them home, but the last one just barely made it. Last time that it died on the trail we had a hard time getting it started even on full choke.

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#3093840 - 03/27/12 03:18 PM Re: Skidoo expedition 600 ACE [Re: fishermann222]
akcowboytraper Offline
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Registered: 11/27/10
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Loc: wasilla, AK
here is one from my 4 wheeler I will have to get hose for that goes between the carb and boot frame. If you could have something like this machined and weld a tub on with a rubber hose in-between???



Edited by akcowboytraper (03/27/12 03:18 PM)
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#3093847 - 03/27/12 03:22 PM Re: Skidoo expedition 600 ACE [Re: fishermann222]
onegunsmith Offline
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Registered: 09/27/09
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Loc: Palmer AK
Spek,
I've got an 06 bug eyed 300 tundra and changed the boot out when i bought it (a couple years ago). I thought they had fixed the bad boot problem. Changed the compound or something. Have you had trouble with them in the last year or so? I haven't looked at mine in a while, might have to look it over when i get home.

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#3093892 - 03/27/12 04:10 PM Re: Skidoo expedition 600 ACE [Re: fishermann222]
Spek Jones Offline
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Registered: 01/10/09
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Loc: Homer, Alaska
Yes, I replaced it about mid winter last year and in Jan of this year.
Just helped Gen2600 replace one. I don't think they have changed them.
Here's a picture of two of them.


Here is where they set on the machine, there is about 1/2" clearance
between the boot and the housing on the backside and the oil injection line runs in behind there.




Edited by Spek Jones (03/27/12 04:13 PM)

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#3094787 - 03/28/12 07:45 AM Re: Skidoo expedition 600 ACE [Re: fishermann222]
bearcat2 Offline
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Registered: 10/31/11
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Loc: Idaho
I kind of studied mine when I replaced it this year. And I think the best way to juryrig a trail fix would be to pull the carb boot, once you had it out then you couldwrap it in duct tape or whatever you had available, before reinstalling for the drive home. Of course some of this depends on where the hole happens to be at in the boot as to how easy it is cover

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#3095055 - 03/28/12 11:18 AM Re: Skidoo expedition 600 ACE [Re: fishermann222]
Spek Jones Offline
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Registered: 01/10/09
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Loc: Homer, Alaska
You can see the hole in the one on the left in the picture. The hole is
is always on the bottom and starts right next to the mounting flange, It
will crack all the way across the bottom and then start cracking lengthways of the boot along the bottom.
I think you're right, you would need to pull it off to do a temp patch job on it. You can pull them off with the tools that are in the factory
toolkit except for the two flange mounting screws. I don't remember what
size allen wrench fits these screws, (it's metric size). Need of these
that fits the screws in your tool kit.

Where they break at it may be tough to completely seal them off with duct tape, but you could slow the leak down so it would run enough to
baby it home.

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#3095178 - 03/28/12 01:29 PM Re: Skidoo expedition 600 ACE [Re: fishermann222]
akcowboytraper Offline
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Registered: 11/27/10
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Loc: wasilla, AK
you would think you could weld something up that you could clamp a hose to that could clamp to the carb. The hose being between the carb and part made.
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#3095357 - 03/28/12 03:39 PM Re: Skidoo expedition 600 ACE [Re: fishermann222]
onegunsmith Offline
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Registered: 09/27/09
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Loc: Palmer AK
Not a job i would want to do on the trail. As I recall it was a PIA to do it at home in the driveway. I gan get the carbs out of my 550 and back in lickety split but that tundra is a bear. I wonder if some silicone would work. Just smear it around with your finger. LOL (Listen to the carpenter, "just caulk it") I'm thinking RTV, permetex type silicone.

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#3095409 - 03/28/12 04:20 PM Re: Skidoo expedition 600 ACE [Re: fishermann222]
Spek Jones Offline
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Registered: 01/10/09
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Loc: Homer, Alaska
It's a pretty easy job on mine, but there's a lot of totally different
configured machines out there with the Tundra name on them. It only takes maybe 20 minutes to change them.

I have wondered a little if the failure on these is in fact a fault of
the material (which is what I have always blamed it on) or if it is
actually more of a design flaw. Reason I think this could be the problem is that under the carb bowl there is a carb support that is mounted solid. The engine is NOT mounted solid, it's on rubber mounts. When you engage the clutches and put the engine under load the force on the drive belt will compress the rubber motor mounts and the engine will
tilt to the back a little. The carb cannot tilt with it due to the
support under it. This has to put some pressure on the boot and that
pressure would be directed to the exact spot where they are cracking out. It cannot be a good thing when the carb can't move freely in all directions with the movement of the engine.
I'm going to have to look that over next time I have it in the shop.

I think you probably could home build a mount. The flange could be cut from 3/8 aluminum and weld a tube to it, but gettin the round tube matched up to the sort of square hole may affect airflow. Not sure. It
would be a tough match up there though, and you don't have a lot of room
to play with. The carb and flange is not very far apart. You can't make
it longer without discarding the airbox.

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