#3092680 - 03/26/12 08:15 PM
Clint Locklear's "tiny-trap rant"
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trapper
Registered: 11/05/09
Loc: Work in Wyoming, Live in Idaho
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I’m gonna target some coon and fox next year and was getting ready to order a bunch of 1.5 coils, when I came across an interesting take from Clint Locklear titled “a rant on the tiny trap club”: http://trappingradio.com/?p=570He points out his encounters with many naysayers who claim larger traps are unethical. He argues against them saying larger traps: - Don’t cause as much foot damage as smaller traps. - The big thick jaws, are slower, don’t hit as hard and spread the tension over a greater area (less bite). - The higher jaw catches (on the animal) are not that much higher and result in fewer toe-catches with larger traps. - Animals fight a smaller trap more than a larger trap. - The bigger trap will always out-produce the smaller trap by “controlling more terrain” so bigger trap = less misses He advises using the largest trap legal for your area. I’ve always gone with conventional knowledge of 1.5 coils for coon and fox but I’ve gotta say since seeing that video, he’s got me thinking about going with larger traps next season. Your thoughts? - Wyo
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#3092740 - 03/26/12 08:33 PM
Re: Clint Locklear's "tiny-trap rant"
[Re: Wyodeputy]
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trapper
Registered: 12/23/06
Loc: Westerlo, New York
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in my opinion, bunch of bull. 1.5's are a great trap for mink and coon..dont need anything bigger.. and remember Clint hasnt been around all that long , but he is entitled to his opinion.
Edited by Otter04 (03/26/12 08:37 PM)
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#3092760 - 03/26/12 08:41 PM
Re: Clint Locklear's "tiny-trap rant"
[Re: Wyodeputy]
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trapper
Registered: 02/04/09
Loc: Morganton NC
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I'm a full fledged member of the tiny trap club... I do fully agree with Clint on the fact that you are generally gonna catch more with bigger traps tho... a bigger kill zone is always gonna out preform a smaller one as ya can be less specific about location of the trap and the critter has a much greater chance of hitting the pan regardless if they work a set for 2 seconds or 2 min! HOWEVER if you look at his traps the larger ones are all highly modified!
I don't modify my traps with laminations and what not tho I am seriously considering it. [portion removed] regardless coon always seem to be at the bottom of the wire regardless of the trap in my experience.
I love his comment of "I personally don’t care what you use, I’m just glad your trapping."
Edited by Ryan NC (03/28/12 10:34 AM) Edit Reason: Removed part of my comments
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#3092779 - 03/26/12 08:46 PM
Re: Clint Locklear's "tiny-trap rant"
[Re: Wyodeputy]
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Registered: 03/23/10
Loc: Upstate, S.C.
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I had an experience like that Ryan with a coon in a #2 dbls this season and if I never see that happen again it will be too soon.
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#3092831 - 03/26/12 08:58 PM
Re: Clint Locklear's "tiny-trap rant"
[Re: Wyodeputy]
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trapper
Registered: 06/03/07
Loc: pennsylvania
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I’m gonna target some coon and fox next year and was getting ready to order a bunch of 1.5 coils, when I came across an interesting take from Clint Locklear titled “a rant on the tiny trap club”: http://trappingradio.com/?p=570He points out his encounters with many naysayers who claim larger traps are unethical. He argues against them saying larger traps: - Don’t cause as much foot damage as smaller traps. - The big thick jaws, are slower, don’t hit as hard and spread the tension over a greater area (less bite). - The higher jaw catches (on the animal) are not that much higher and result in fewer toe-catches with larger traps. - Animals fight a smaller trap more than a larger trap. - The bigger trap will always out-produce the smaller trap by “controlling more terrain” so bigger trap = less misses He advises using the largest trap legal for your area. I’ve always gone with conventional knowledge of 1.5 coils for coon and fox but I’ve gotta say since seeing that video, he’s got me thinking about going with larger traps next season. Your thoughts? - Wyo but what you didnt see is the video of him saying that the bigger traps like 3'4'etc are used on drownding set ups....with a drownder set up it dosent matter how big that trap is cause they will be DOA before they can chew or ring off.....im a big trap guy.....
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#3092857 - 03/26/12 09:06 PM
Re: Clint Locklear's "tiny-trap rant"
[Re: Wyodeputy]
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trapper
Registered: 12/23/06
Loc: Westerlo, New York
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If you know what your doing you dont need a bigger pan as quoted. a bigger trap does not mean your going to catch more fur. and that bigger kill pattern is for the birds. if you dont know what your doing to begin with. i dont care what you use, it wont work....a trap is a trap and there designed to be specie specific..i use a 1.75 offset trap no mods and i take as many yotes as i can handle given my age. does that mean if i use a bigger trap ill catch more. cmon, why put that crap out there...
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#3092899 - 03/26/12 09:19 PM
Re: Clint Locklear's "tiny-trap rant"
[Re: Wyodeputy]
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trapper
Registered: 02/04/09
Loc: Morganton NC
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while I'll generally agree with you Otter a bigger kill zone is better for some folks... I routinely target yotes with little bitty circle's and catch heck for it from time to time. I can't tell you how many times I've had prints on top of the jaws just off the killzone in a set that wasn't worked hard for what ever reason... unless you put the critters foot in the trap yourself you can't always be 100% sure where it's gonna land. If the critter works the set long enough, it's most likely gonna get caught... where i see the larger killzone being beneficial is the ones that walk up sniff the hole and leave.
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#3092913 - 03/26/12 09:24 PM
Re: Clint Locklear's "tiny-trap rant"
[Re: Wyodeputy]
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trapper
Registered: 10/20/08
Loc: AL
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It's not a question of knowing what you are doing, it's a question of numbers, and odds, over time. You may know exactly what you are doing, but any trapper that claims he can control what the animal will do, every time, is full of it.
A larger trap and trap pan is like kicking field goals through a larger goal post. Any professional kicker would take a larger goal post over a smaller goal post - every single time. It has nothing to do with how good the kicker is.
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#3093035 - 03/26/12 10:09 PM
Re: Clint Locklear's "tiny-trap rant"
[Re: Wyodeputy]
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trapper
Registered: 08/08/11
Loc: james bay frontierOnt.
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Atrap that is too large for the target animal is inhumane and will break legbones (caught too high on leg) when the animal struggles(trap wont move with animal).This will lead to escapes and fodder for animal rights groups trying to ban foothold traps.Traps are manufactured in different sizes for a reason-to hold the target animal comfortably with minimal injury by the FOOT not halfway up his leg.What do the BMP's say?
Edited by Boco (03/26/12 10:10 PM)
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#3093092 - 03/26/12 10:34 PM
Re: Clint Locklear's "tiny-trap rant"
[Re: Wyodeputy]
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trapper
Registered: 12/28/06
Loc: Indiana
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About a generation back, say 25 years or so, the big push among the "pros" ( that small p is on purpose ) was the bigger the better. It was all about large jaw spreads and 4 coils to grab high and hang on. Remember that huge pan and jaw spread on the original #2 coils? The #2 went from 4 1/2 inches to 6 in one jump. Then we got on the live market, no foot damage band wagon. Then the BMPs came out which were supposed to answer the questions once and for all. And now we're right back to bigger is better. There is no magic trap, lure, set, or location. The key is confidence. Confidence that your set is as right as you can make it. But since trappers are a superstitious lot, and assume that Joe has to have some secret to catching more than they do, they buy into every scam that comes down the pike.
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#3093102 - 03/26/12 10:44 PM
Re: Clint Locklear's "tiny-trap rant"
[Re: V3N]
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trapper
Registered: 12/23/06
Loc: Westerlo, New York
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There is no magic trap, lure, set, or location. The key is confidence. Confidence that your set is as right as you can make it. But since trappers are a superstitious lot, and assume that Joe has to have some secret to catching more than they do, they buy into every scam that comes down the pike. [/quote]
Well said V3N, all it takes is a name of some kind and wham its gospel...."Bigger does not nor has it ever meant better "...
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#3093176 - 03/26/12 11:51 PM
Re: Clint Locklear's "tiny-trap rant"
[Re: Wyodeputy]
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trapper
Registered: 11/01/09
Loc: upstate NY
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I think a CDR is way overkill on cats IMO.I do not think there is any right or wrong,it is up to individual tastes.I run Mb 450's,550's & 650's.Well I own some 650's but am afraid to use them in suburbia because IMO they would do some damage should a domestic cat or dog be caught.I 4 coiled some 550's and ended up taking them off.They seemed way too powerful and not needed.Maybe in frozen soil but not in normal soils.I am going with 1.75's and #2's now.
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#3093255 - 03/27/12 04:26 AM
Re: Clint Locklear's "tiny-trap rant"
[Re: Wyodeputy]
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trapper
Registered: 03/14/07
Loc: ozona TX
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i dont mind a big trap or a small trap best one i use is whats in the ground and has fur in it in the mornin
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#3093280 - 03/27/12 06:00 AM
Re: Clint Locklear's "tiny-trap rant"
[Re: Wyodeputy]
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"wannabe resident giggalo"
Registered: 07/18/10
Loc: SE Virginia
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some of y'all should step back and listen to what you are spewing .. and some have the gall to look down their nose at Clint or anyone else GEEEZE .. that said, I respect the above opinions and perspectives but somewhat disagree with adamant closed minded old fashion mentality *traps do not maim or break bones, (four coiled or two coiled, offset or regular jaw, laminated or not laminated) traps with poor or fouled swiveling increase the potential for such when the restrained animal applies unique leverage/torquing when attempting to roll/twist while restrained in a stationary trapFYI a #2 double long spring trap is nothing more than your beloved 1 1/2 jaw spread trap with the addition of a second spring take the #3 coilspring for example, more often considered a coyote trap but yet it can be used as a highly efficient humane trap when targeting dry land coon, but one must do as they should with any trap and exercise common sense and become proficient with such .. it doesn't take a seasoned trapper to realize the #3 is too large for targeting front foot dry coon but back foot oh yeah, now we are talking .. coons targeted with said trap and targeting back foot catches is quite effective and the coon seem to "challenge" their restraint far less than front foot catches in more traditionally accepted coon traps ... I could elaborate more so, but my point is made, don't let your opinion cloud your thoughts to the point you write something off based on hand me down heresay or a few incidental catches on your line confidence should be applied to all you do, whether it be badminton or cricket farming .. but one who lumps the majority of his/her success into such isn't applying nearly enough common sense & knowledge .. but I guess that is just my opinion "I personally don’t care what you use, I’m just glad your trapping" AMEN brother 
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#3093312 - 03/27/12 06:49 AM
Re: Clint Locklear's "tiny-trap rant"
[Re: Boco]
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trapper
Registered: 11/24/09
Loc: Idaho
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Atrap that is too large for the target animal is inhumane and will break legbones Think before you post!
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#3093436 - 03/27/12 08:47 AM
Re: Clint Locklear's "tiny-trap rant"
[Re: p-skinny]
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trapper
Registered: 12/13/09
Loc: Ohio
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some of y'all should step back and listen to what you are spewing .. and some have the gall to look down their nose at Clint or anyone else GEEEZE .. that said, I respect the above opinions and perspectives but somewhat disagree with adamant closed minded old fashion mentality *traps do not maim or break bones, (four coiled or two coiled, offset or regular jaw, laminated or not laminated) traps with poor or fouled swiveling increase the potential for such when the restrained animal applies unique leverage/torquing when attempting to roll/twist while restrained in a stationary trapFYI a #2 double long spring trap is nothing more than your beloved 1 1/2 jaw spread trap with the addition of a second spring take the #3 coilspring for example, more often considered a coyote trap but yet it can be used as a highly efficient humane trap when targeting dry land coon, but one must do as they should with any trap and exercise common sense and become proficient with such .. it doesn't take a seasoned trapper to realize the #3 is too large for targeting front foot dry coon but back foot oh yeah, now we are talking .. coons targeted with said trap and targeting back foot catches is quite effective and the coon seem to "challenge" their restraint far less than front foot catches in more traditionally accepted coon traps ... I could elaborate more so, but my point is made, don't let your opinion cloud your thoughts to the point you write something off based on hand me down heresay or a few incidental catches on your line confidence should be applied to all you do, whether it be badminton or cricket farming .. but one who lumps the majority of his/her success into such isn't applying nearly enough common sense & knowledge .. but I guess that is just my opinion "I personally don’t care what you use, I’m just glad your trapping" AMEN brother Agreed...
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