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#304456 - 08/20/07 07:52 PM STEP DOWN SET?
shortline 63 Offline
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Registered: 07/21/07
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Loc: Northern Illinois
DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT THE STEP DOWN SET IS THAT WAS INVENTED BY LEGGET, I THINK?
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#304499 - 08/20/07 08:16 PM Re: STEP DOWN SET? [Re: shortline 63]
Asa Lenon Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 5934
Loc: Gulliver, Michigan
I'm quite crtain Leggetts didn't invent the step-down set, probably only made the term better known.
Generally speaking, step down means just that. The trap bed when finished at the set lies from 1/2" to a couple inches below ground level. The hole at a step-down is also started from below ground level after the trap bed is dug out first. When the set is completed it is nearly impossible for an animal to look into the hole or smell and dig at the contents of the hole without first stepping down to the low point in the trap bed to square off in front of the hole. Trap pan is placed at the lowest place in the bed and positioned in the bed where one would logically anticipate where the target animal would be stepping down to best investigate the hole. Ace

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#304512 - 08/20/07 08:21 PM Re: STEP DOWN SET? [Re: Asa Lenon]
pilgrim Offline
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Registered: 12/26/06
Posts: 273
Loc: Burnet, TX
Good reply Asa.
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#304513 - 08/20/07 08:21 PM Re: STEP DOWN SET? [Re: shortline 63]
Marty Harmon Offline
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Registered: 01/02/07
Posts: 679
Loc: north Mississippi
The stepdown set is basically digging You're dirthole at one end of a four to five inch sunken pattern where the trap, hole and all are lower than the surrounding area. The trap is ususally in the same position as if the dirthole were on level ground, everything is just lower, causing the animal to step downward to smell in the hole. Harder to put into writing than it is. I don't know who inventedit, it's been around a while though, makes nice little ponds here in the south when it rains. LOL

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#304520 - 08/20/07 08:28 PM Re: STEP DOWN SET? [Re: Marty Harmon]
Deadfox Offline
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Registered: 12/25/06
Posts: 373
Loc: Pa

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#304542 - 08/20/07 08:44 PM Re: STEP DOWN SET? [Re: Deadfox]
nelacres Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 3076
Loc: Derby, Vermont 45 for now
good pic deadfox
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#304552 - 08/20/07 08:49 PM Re: STEP DOWN SET? [Re: shortline 63]
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 2394
Loc: Central NY
 Originally Posted By: shortline 63
DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT THE STEP DOWN SET IS THAT WAS INVENTED BY LEGGET, I THINK?

First of all, No need to shout to get an answer. LOL. Writing in all caps is considered shouting, and will generally NOT get you answers very quickly.
Second, I think Asa explained it pretty well, and know that it is a very effective set. I would imagine that this set goes back to the indians and before. Not sure Legget was around then. \:D
But I do believe that he made it more popular, and more widely known.
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#304557 - 08/20/07 08:52 PM Re: STEP DOWN SET? [Re: NYNovice]
nelacres Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
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Loc: Derby, Vermont 45 for now
Indians didn't have internet and it got lost in the smoke signal translations
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#304576 - 08/20/07 09:03 PM Re: STEP DOWN SET? [Re: nelacres]
Asa Lenon Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 5934
Loc: Gulliver, Michigan
My Dad used and wrote about a set he called the "Old Indian Set" that is a form of step down. He named it Old Indian because Native Chippewa Indians that were decendants of the French trapper/fur traders taught Dad the set in about 1920. The Old Indian version is set 1/2" below ground level but sand ridges 2" high are built up along side of each jaw as guides. Perhaps one could call it a step-between as the animal steps over the ridges and down into the low place in between. Dad was a prolific writer and instructor in his day so I suspect the modern step-down may have been gleaned from Dads instructional articles. I know of one well known trapper/lure maker/author who openly gives Dad credit for his version of the step-down. Ace

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#304680 - 08/20/07 09:39 PM Re: STEP DOWN SET? [Re: ]
LT GREY Offline
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Registered: 04/09/07
Posts: 16058
Loc: Central Ohio
Nice picture!!!!!!!

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#304685 - 08/20/07 09:43 PM Re: STEP DOWN SET? [Re: LT GREY]
DerekB Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 3858
Loc: New York
nice
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#304688 - 08/20/07 09:44 PM Re: STEP DOWN SET? [Re: ]
Deadfox Offline
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Registered: 12/25/06
Posts: 373
Loc: Pa
Andy I think I caught 26 fox there and 2 coon had three set in a row that set caught 10 or so...here's the levers.









Edited by Deadfox (08/20/07 09:50 PM)

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#304696 - 08/20/07 09:47 PM Re: STEP DOWN SET? [Re: Deadfox]
DerekB Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 3858
Loc: New York
Deadfox whats that white powder on the trap?
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#304711 - 08/20/07 09:51 PM Re: STEP DOWN SET? [Re: DerekB]
Deadfox Offline
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Registered: 12/25/06
Posts: 373
Loc: Pa
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#304824 - 08/20/07 11:10 PM Re: STEP DOWN SET? [Re: Deadfox]
shortline 63 Offline
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Registered: 07/21/07
Posts: 1311
Loc: Northern Illinois
NyNovice, thank you for pointing it out. I knew about the all caps meaning yelling. I was doing something else at the same time and forgot. But, you were wrong about the results. I got about 20 replies (pm's included) in less than 2 hours. I think thats pretty good. Leggetts state on they're web site that they invented the step down method, thats how I ended up here. THANK YOU TO EVERYONE FOR ALL OF THE RESPONSES AND PICTURES THEY ARE GREAT!!
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#305277 - 08/21/07 11:25 AM Re: STEP DOWN SET? [Re: ]
Gary Offline
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Registered: 01/08/07
Posts: 12915
Loc: Indiana, 15 1/4yrs old
but andy he caught those (can see the other catch circle) on a crop change ?!?!?! ..... and who is to say whats behind the person when the pic was taken
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#305459 - 08/21/07 12:49 PM Re: STEP DOWN SET? [Re: Asa Lenon]
Fox Claw Offline
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Registered: 01/05/07
Posts: 754
Loc: backwoods N. Wi.
Great posts all, very informative, but I've got to ask ASA:
How does a French decendant become a native Chippewa?

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#305488 - 08/21/07 01:05 PM Re: STEP DOWN SET? [Re: Fox Claw]
ZekeMan Offline
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Registered: 04/19/07
Posts: 1658
Loc: NW Pennsylvania
The Leggett's make their step-downs a little differently from the pics posted here. They make the trench barely wider than the pan of the trap. The sides of the trap bed are dug to the sides underneath the sod. I will try to make one like that and post pics. (If it ever quits raining! LOL!) I have made step downs similar to pics posted here, and they work fine. In fact it is one of my favorite dirt sets for coon.
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#305499 - 08/21/07 01:08 PM Re: STEP DOWN SET? [Re: Fox Claw]
Asa Lenon Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 5934
Loc: Gulliver, Michigan
Whisker Down asked...How does a French decendant become a native Chippewa?

I meant to convey that the Sault Tribe Chippewas worked at trapping and fur trading first hand with the French who taught them usage of the steel trap and techniques.
Also, it was common place for French men of that era to marry Chippewa women and as a result few Chippewas are are full blooded in this area, most are part French.
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