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Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2] #3871261
07/01/13 09:21 PM
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a little story, many years ago before the Berlin wall came down, I was giving our state trapping course. I remember A very tall dark hair fellow came walking up to me and asked me if I was the one in charge of the class, which I was. He spoke very good broken English. He told me that he was a trapper from Russia, and that he just moved to my state, matter fact, he had just arrived in our country just 6 months earlier. he asked if he needed to take the state trapping course to trap here. I asked do you have a trapping lic from Russia? at which he pulled out a paper with you guessed it, nothing I could understand LOL. I told him yeah you will need to take the 2 day course. He told me he had proof that he was a trapper in Russia. He ran to his car yes car LOL and came back with a big book filled with pictures. one of the first pics was of snow, he and his partner with a pile of fur, standing next to a big helicopter, looked like a old transport chopper. I asked about the pic. his reply was, I was a government trapper, my partner and I would fly it in to our line stay for the trapping season then fly it back out. I asked what type of trapping did you do for the government way out there in the middle of nowhere? he told me, fur trapping. The government paid him to trap wild fur, that was his job. I won't say anything else here on the discussion we had on how and why he ended up here in the USA, and I never knew what happened to him after he left the course, but I can't help but wonder is this the direction that this great country is headed in?


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Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2] #3872467
07/02/13 04:44 PM
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My line of thinking is just the opposite. We are finally getting this country used to paying private operators for animal removal. We get a whole lot less people now than we did twenty years ago that expect free service. ( Okay, this is still Wisconsin and we do get shopped a lot )

Just the fact that the USDA can no longer hide from us has got to be a big problem for them. There are a lot of things that they do that we would probably have no interest in. ( Just ask Justin ) If I was unfairly bid against by any government agency, I know which of my elected representatives to contact. ( Which may be the reason I have had no trouble )

But I have to admit that having a helicopter at my disposal and lessons to fly it, would be mighty tempting! ( Heck, if I needed help, I could even pick up Jonesie )

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2] #3874765
07/03/13 09:56 PM
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Some free advertising for USDA WS in NH.
Why is the state promoting USDA instead of private nwcos?
http://www.wildlife.state.nh.us/Wildlife/nuisance_wildlife.html

Last edited by wildlifeus; 07/03/13 09:56 PM.

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Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2] #3874788
07/03/13 10:05 PM
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If Wildlife Services is not able to help resolve your problems by providing technical information, they can direct you to a list of professional Nuisance Wildlife Control Operators (NWCOs) who, for a fee, can help you resolve your nuisance wildlife issue.


I think it would be more appropriate to have the private nwco as the resource of choice. I'm going to get in touch with F&G and see why they are recommending WS first.

I talked to them a while ago about goose roundups and got a reasonable answer. It will be interesting to see what they say about this.

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2] #3874813
07/03/13 10:15 PM
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Please share with other nwcos in your state. Yes I did see that at the bottom But they will only refer to us as a last resort.
And they make a point to mention that we charge And they don't mention that USDA does to.


Tim and Robb you were an inspiration. Thank you for your dedication to the industry.
Working everyday to reduce the size of the federal government.
Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2] #3874814
07/03/13 10:15 PM
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And if y'all read at the bottom of the page, it says if wildlife services is unable to resolve the problem through technical assistance they will direct you to a list of nwco's who for a fee can solve the problem. So it seems to me a call to the local USDA-WS office to be put on a list would be my first call on Friday!

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2] #3874828
07/03/13 10:21 PM
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Please share with other nwcos in your state. Yes I did see that at the bottom But they will only refer to us as a last resort.
And they make a point to mention that we charge And they don't mention that USDA does to.


I agree and like I said, I'm going to talk to them about it.

Our F&G dept. is a pretty good group of people. I expect the reason will be forthcoming.

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2] #3874836
07/03/13 10:26 PM
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Thanks


Tim and Robb you were an inspiration. Thank you for your dedication to the industry.
Working everyday to reduce the size of the federal government.
Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2] #3874847
07/03/13 10:30 PM
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USDA is doing bat control in Maine

http://www.maine.gov/agriculture/pesticides/schoolipm/pests/Bats.htm
They also refer readers to professionals but USDA is listed first.


Tim and Robb you were an inspiration. Thank you for your dedication to the industry.
Working everyday to reduce the size of the federal government.
Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2] #3874869
07/03/13 10:43 PM
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Some USDA advertising. Note: no mention of nwcos.....

http://www.maine.gov/agriculture/pesticides/schoolipm/pests/Bats.htm

Last edited by wildlifeus; 07/03/13 10:44 PM.

Tim and Robb you were an inspiration. Thank you for your dedication to the industry.
Working everyday to reduce the size of the federal government.
Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2] #3876758
07/05/13 11:42 AM
07/05/13 11:42 AM
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wildlifeus - The link shows them and your game dept. as resources to check with for bat removal. This is very likely due to the rabies program links that have been in place a long long time. The fact they have a link to professionals and USDA isn't on it would show that they aren't doing removal.

This seems like one where contacting the state and asking them to modify that link so it says for more information on bat rabies or to learn more about bat management options you can check with these state and federal resources that do not actually do removal, but can give you advice.

Every state I've lived in when working for WS we would have given them some basic info on bats/management or referred them to the state game and fish while advising them there are professionals who do this type of work.

There are many states that have got this working right with just some simple language changes, the link doesn't show they are actually doing removal, just shows that whoever built the link isn't being clear in what they are saying. If we take the same logic the state G&F in that state is doing removal too and I would bet that isn't happening either.

Just points of clarity, some of these deals can be resolved with a bit of effort to contact folks and show them that this isn't clear and would help folks get to help faster and without confusion.

Just a thought.....

Justin

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2] #3884245
07/10/13 04:03 PM
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Any word on NH SGS?

Here is some potential work for NWCOs in PA. You should contact the town board and see if you can put in a proposal. USDA did the work last year and will likely get the work this year if we do not contact the town.

http://delcotimes.com/articles/2013/07/10/news/doc51dd7c191bc23126674256.txt


Tim and Robb you were an inspiration. Thank you for your dedication to the industry.
Working everyday to reduce the size of the federal government.
Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2] #3884319
07/10/13 05:01 PM
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At the end of the article the mayor recognized a private bow hunter for his help culling deer, so he got that contract locked down.

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2] #3884695
07/10/13 08:21 PM
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http://www.wdbj7.com/video/Flock-of-gees...rz/-/index.html Guess that explains why I don't get goose calls, government is doing it, and handling it real well.

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Longuner] #3884824
07/10/13 09:15 PM
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The private guy wasn't getting paid. He just removed them during season.


Tim and Robb you were an inspiration. Thank you for your dedication to the industry.
Working everyday to reduce the size of the federal government.
Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2] #3887234
07/12/13 09:33 AM
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USDA Wildlife Services doing goose work in TN. How many example do I have to put on here before people relize how much they are hurting our industry?

And these are just the easy to find news stories..............

http://timesfreepress.com/news/2013/jul/11/college-geese-killed/


Tim and Robb you were an inspiration. Thank you for your dedication to the industry.
Working everyday to reduce the size of the federal government.
Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2] #3887236
07/12/13 09:34 AM
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Tim and Robb you were an inspiration. Thank you for your dedication to the industry.
Working everyday to reduce the size of the federal government.
Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2] #3887462
07/12/13 12:15 PM
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somewhere in the middle of MT
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Our state doesn't allow private bear control, that goes for mountain lion, deer or any large game animal. I am allowed deer and antelope carcass removal with a special permit.

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2] #3888782
07/13/13 07:27 AM
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The same is true in NH. We aren't allowed to work with bear, deer, etc.

Our WCO license allows us to trap nuisance FURBEARERS out of season, not game animals.

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Any word on NH SGS?


Nothing yet. I have to go back to the office this coming week.

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2] #3892164
07/15/13 09:44 AM
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Tim and Robb you were an inspiration. Thank you for your dedication to the industry.
Working everyday to reduce the size of the federal government.
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