I think that overall that would be a matter of opinion.

Ian

I have seen holds on critters with double longs that I have never seen with coils. I feel they grab better, don't silt in as easy as coils, and bed easier in certain situations. Coils are more compact and lighter for the most part. I started with all coils and stared playing with longs and double long and kinda like double longs. The thing that has kept all my coyote traps being coils was there were no dogless double longs. Well I'm hoping Jason will have that fixed in short order.

It's all personal preference

Kelly,

You let me have that little book of secrets you've been carrying around with ya to conventions for umpteen years buddy, oh for just a couple of days, and you sir...are at the head of the class!

Hopefully these add ons will bring a revival to a great under utilized tool!

Gonna really have to race around at conventions now Mr.!
-Jason

Alright hey thanks J M i have a some long springs and that is all i use for muskrat foothold wise, but i use coils for land sets but i might just switch over because i just like setting the long and double long springs better anyways so yea hey thanks again!

What is the best cheap but good quality brand for double long springs, and long springs?

New there is 1 choice for a #3 Sleepy Creek
Choices for #4 SC & Bridger I have used SC like pan set up don't like frame
Choices for 7" SC #4.5 Duke #5 Bridger#5 use Duke and they do what I ask. Bridger use them and not a fan of pan and springs seem softer but plenty strong to hold beaver.
Choices for #11 Duke Bridger and SC Have a few Duke's I have ye to get them to preform the way I want SC great trap.

You might want to look at these threads
http://www.trapperman.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3714255/Re_Duke_1_ls
http://www.trapperman.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3700537/1

Yea i like the sleepy creeks personally, and do you think that the sleepy creek #3 is better than the Bridger #4 for beaver?

Jason,
Are you going to have the cross frames already with a base plate and d ring on them? Or will that be extra?

Jason, I am first in line, correct?

Have 300+ #2's just waiting to be converted to dogless. Also would love to convert my #4 dls. With those two traps I wouldn't need any others to catch every animal on my traplines.


Kelly,

You let me have that little book of secrets you've been carrying around with ya to conventions for umpteen years buddy, oh for just a couple of days, and you sir...are at the head of the class!

Hopefully these add ons will bring a revival to a great under utilized tool!

Gonna really have to race around at conventions now Mr.!
-Jason

What little book of secrets you talking about?

Exactly!

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I can hardly set my 4.5 sleepy creeks by hand.if anyone has some setting tips Id appreciate it. I probably could set across my knee if the spring eye didnt get stuck on the post every time.

Sleepy Creek #4 setters use them for big long and body grips.

yep, I have seen the setters. Id really like to get better at setting by hand. Im not heavy enough to stand on and compress the springs.

When I get a beaver in one wet hands, wet trap, wet leg, and tired at the end of the day I am glad I have my setters. I hope it never happens to you but if you ever get caught in one and it is anchored. I hope you will have a pair of setters with you. I'll be watching to see if anyone has a better idea.

At the NTA convention Tom Florin had a pretty neat setter.

Come on this is the great double long spring thread. I never seem an old wolfer pictured with setters. ... Not that they didn't use them. I know there were setters for bear traps. I even tried to find a video of one of these bear trap setting contests and came up short. There has to be someone here with some big longspring skills.
Some 4s I can break over my knee. One side then the other. No way on the sc 4.5. The spring eye hits the post and I'm done.

So , disadvantages include being more difficult to set and are slower than coils.

Disagree completely about double longsprings being harder to set and slower than coils.

I Would agree that the jaw close speed is a bit slower on a long than a coil but , with proper pan tension and the animal being committed there should be no difference in catch. With the good comes the bad Sleepy Creek has made it's springs shorter than most #5's but lockup strength the same. This weight saving compactness also makes them harder to set. A mighty fine trap but there are draw backs with the advantages.

Try setting a CDR with out setters.

I will set #2 longs all day over 1 1/2 coils. And my hands still won't be tired.