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#2579461 - 05/13/11 10:55 AM Re: Homeschoolers VS Public School (moderators welcome [Re: 2poor]
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Originally Posted By: 2poor
Not sure I consider hanging out with Grandma, and your 5 brothers and sisters as socializing.

I think of socializing as having to interact with individuals outside your comfort zone.

In life we have to interact with bullies, pretty girls, not so pretty girls, and hoodlums of all sorts. Once we enter the job market we often have to rub elbows with the same diverse group of individuals.

There are life skills developed in a Public School environment that benefit us in the next phase of our lives.

Of course often in Public Schools we spend more time socializing then learning.





Ok, I see what you are saying, but if we look at your argument...Where in "the next phase of our lives" do we spend all day socializing with people of the same age? It is also a falacy to suggest that homeschoolers spend all their time with family. I spend time with my youth group, playing guitar with my friends, I help out in my community volunteering, I take classes with a group of homeschoolers that meet each week to learn and just have some fun, I have friends over all the time, and I play sports with public school kids. I hang out with people that are way older than me and yet I can play with little kids. I don't have any problem "socializing" with anyone and I attribute this to being around many people of different ages. I think we live in a country of choices and we all choose things that we feel are better for us. It doesn't mean one is better than another but that we live in a world that we are allowed certain privileges and rights to achieve success the way we see it for ourselves. Most homeschoolers are independent thinkers and learners and want the privilege to learn what they want, when they want and how they want to learn it without the constraints of someone else setting their idea of a goal. Maybe my goal is higher. I'd rather spend my mornings focusing on getting my school work finished so I can have the afternoon to practice my music, get outside and enjoy nature and trapping, or hang with my friends. So if some of you think public school is better, have at it. It's just not my choice.

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#2579476 - 05/13/11 11:05 AM Re: Homeschoolers VS Public School (moderators welcome [Re: frogskinner]
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Originally Posted By: frogskinner
Originally Posted By: 2poor
Not sure I consider hanging out with Grandma, and your 5 brothers and sisters as socializing.

I think of socializing as having to interact with individuals outside your comfort zone.

In life we have to interact with bullies, pretty girls, not so pretty girls, and hoodlums of all sorts. Once we enter the job market we often have to rub elbows with the same diverse group of individuals.

There are life skills developed in a Public School environment that benefit us in the next phase of our lives.

Of course often in Public Schools we spend more time socializing then learning.





Ok, I see what you are saying, but if we look at your argument...Where in "the next phase of our lives" do we spend all day socializing with people of the same age? It is also a falacy to suggest that homeschoolers spend all their time with family. I spend time with my youth group, playing guitar with my friends, I help out in my community volunteering, I take classes with a group of homeschoolers that meet each week to learn and just have some fun, I have friends over all the time, and I play sports with public school kids. I hang out with people that are way older than me and yet I can play with little kids. I don't have any problem "socializing" with anyone and I attribute this to being around many people of different ages. I think we live in a country of choices and we all choose things that we feel are better for us. It doesn't mean one is better than another but that we live in a world that we are allowed certain privileges and rights to achieve success the way we see it for ourselves. Most homeschoolers are independent thinkers and learners and want the privilege to learn what they want, when they want and how they want to learn it without the constraints of someone else setting their idea of a goal. Maybe my goal is higher. I'd rather spend my mornings focusing on getting my school work finished so I can have the afternoon to practice my music, get outside and enjoy nature and trapping, or hang with my friends. So if some of you think public school is better, have at it. It's just not my choice.

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#2579634 - 05/13/11 03:23 PM Re: Homeschoolers VS Public School (moderators welcome [Re: Brennan]
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Working in everyday culture like Brennan does, one has to socialize.

Sometimes even with people we wish we could avoid.

frogskinner- I have no real argument. Just pointing out my observations on the issue as I see it.

I will answer at least part of your question though. Where in "the next phase of our lives" do we spend all day socializing with people of the same age?

College, Tech School, and /or entry level jobs is often the next phase of your life. Most often that will be a similar age class of individual. Rather diverse group of individuals as well.

Again I see benefits to both forms of Education. And I see faults in both forms.
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#2580021 - 05/13/11 10:12 PM Re: Homeschoolers VS Public School (moderators welcome [Re: Brennan]
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I am currently homeschooled, I have been to public school too and I prefer homeschooling. I get to keep my own hours basically and get to choose what I do. It deffinitely has it's advantages and disadvantages.
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#2580224 - 05/14/11 08:47 AM Re: Homeschoolers VS Public School (moderators welcome [Re: Brennan]
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Grandma and the siblings? LOL I was referring more to people in our church, other homeschool friends (which actually mostly means those pretty/not-so-pretty girls), elderly neighbors, coworkers (all of whom are quite a bit older than myself), traveling missionaries, complete strangers from another country, and old farts like 2poor at MTA conventions wink
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#2580255 - 05/14/11 09:23 AM Re: Homeschoolers VS Public School (moderators welcome [Re: Brennan]
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I have often started conversations with complete strangers, and I've found it's often not only interesting to talk to them, but often they have things they want to talk about, and by starting a conversation, you can not only learn a lot, but you can make one more friend. For example, I started a conversation with a guy, and found out he had been a Salvation Army officer in Germany for several years. Not only that, we found a lot to talk about because it happened that we were interested in a lot of the same things. Another example is actually of someone who started a conversation with me. She had lived in Yugoslavia her whole life and between the borders changing all the time, the difficult economy, and the "thought police" she was able to show me a lot of problems in politics I hadn't thought of before. She also encouraged my efforts to learn Cyrillic, and she showed me that being friendly to complete strangers is very rarely unrewarding.
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#2580287 - 05/14/11 09:51 AM Re: Homeschoolers VS Public School (moderators welcome [Re: SkunkWrestler]
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Originally Posted By: SkunkWrestler
Other homeschool friends (which actually mostly means those pretty/not-so-pretty girls)


lol me to.


Edited by frogskinner (05/14/11 09:52 AM)
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#2580308 - 05/14/11 10:14 AM Re: Homeschoolers VS Public School (moderators welcome [Re: Brennan]
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It actually depends on the person not what kind of education. I have seen public school kids that can't socialize, and yet they
have been around people there whole lives. And I have seen homeschoolers that couldn't socialize either but they usually can. It's society that made a lot of people believe that we have a bad education or that we can't socialize, which is a falacy. Since when do people's kids become stupid because there parents tought them all they know? What's the difference in tutoring or a small private school? Besides you get a lot of mean teachers at public schools, who wouldn't want there mom or dad to teach them instead of some old coot looking over your'e shoulder and yelling at you every wrong move you make?
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#2580388 - 05/14/11 11:48 AM Re: Homeschoolers VS Public School (moderators welcome [Re: frogskinner]
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Originally Posted By: frogskinner
It actually depends on the person not what kind of education. I have seen public school kids that can't socialize, and yet they
have been around people there whole lives. And I have seen homeschoolers that couldn't socialize either but they usually can. It's society that made a lot of people believe that we have a bad education or that we can't socialize, which is a falacy. Since when do people's kids become stupid because there parents tought them all they know? What's the difference in tutoring or a small private school? Besides you get a lot of mean teachers at public schools, who wouldn't want there mom or dad to teach them instead of some old coot looking over your'e shoulder and yelling at you every wrong move you make?


Not all public teachers are bad you know.
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#2580803 - 05/14/11 07:52 PM Re: Homeschoolers VS Public School (moderators welcome [Re: frogskinner]
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Originally Posted By: frogskinner
Besides you get a lot of mean teachers at public schools, who wouldn't want there mom or dad to teach them instead of some old coot looking over your'e shoulder and yelling at you every wrong move you make?


Get used to it.

Bosses often are old coots, fairly mean, and they yell a lot !

And that describes some of the better ones. wink
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#2581069 - 05/15/11 05:41 AM Re: Homeschoolers VS Public School (moderators welcome [Re: Brennan]
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well its good to talk to alot of people (of all diffrent ages) but you still should talk with your peirs,they will mostly talk more about things most kids your age will want to talk about. i kinda think its weird when kids constantly talk to adults.i mean i can talk to all ages well,but most of my time i spend talking to boys and girl around my age.

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#2581177 - 05/15/11 09:02 AM Re: Homeschoolers VS Public School (moderators welcome [Re: Brennan]
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The majority of people are over 18, so wouldn't it make sense that if you had no favoritism for a particular group of people, you would talk to adults more than you would talk to other kids? Seems to me like trying to socialize while favoring one group of people, is like trying to paint a picture but being unwilling to use some colors on the basis that you don't particularly care for them.
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#2581231 - 05/15/11 10:31 AM Re: Homeschoolers VS Public School (moderators welcome [Re: Brennan]
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I think as individuals we should try and interact with all age groups. We can learn something from every generation.

My concern is when individuals do not feel comfortable around individuals in there own age group. I am really concerned when they make the statement they have nothing in common.

In a Public School we may have to form a bond with a kid who wears his hat sideways just to complete a particular task. Perhaps a project that has been assigned, and by luck of the draw he is your team member. Both of you would rather choose your own team member because you both feel the other is different.

If you can find some common ground, and temporarily put your differences aside and complete the task , you have taken a huge step in life.

We seldom get to pick our co-workers in life, yet we have to form a common bond to meet the goals of the company.

The diversity of the Public school has a benefit in this area. In life we have to have both street smarts and book smarts. Those who lack one or the other are at a disadvantage !



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#2585148 - 05/18/11 09:11 PM Re: Homeschoolers VS Public School (moderators welcome [Re: 2poor]
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Originally Posted By: 2poor
I think as individuals we should try and interact with all age groups. We can learn something from every generation.

My concern is when individuals do not feel comfortable around individuals in there own age group. I am really concerned when they make the statement they have nothing in common.

In a Public School we may have to form a bond with a kid who wears his hat sideways just to complete a particular task. Perhaps a project that has been assigned, and by luck of the draw he is your team member. Both of you would rather choose your own team member because you both feel the other is different.

If you can find some common ground, and temporarily put your differences aside and complete the task , you have taken a huge step in life.

We seldom get to pick our co-workers in life, yet we have to form a common bond to meet the goals of the company.

The diversity of the Public school has a benefit in this area. In life we have to have both street smarts and book smarts. Those who lack one or the other are at a disadvantage !




For the last sentance, homechoolers have a better advantage. We're all smart!
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#2585404 - 05/19/11 06:42 AM Re: Homeschoolers VS Public School (moderators welcome [Re: 2poor]
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Originally Posted By: 2poor
I think as individuals we should try and interact with all age groups. We can learn something from every generation.

My concern is when individuals do not feel comfortable around individuals in there own age group. I am really concerned when they make the statement they have nothing in common.

In a Public School we may have to form a bond with a kid who wears his hat sideways just to complete a particular task. Perhaps a project that has been assigned, and by luck of the draw he is your team member. Both of you would rather choose your own team member because you both feel the other is different.

If you can find some common ground, and temporarily put your differences aside and complete the task , you have taken a huge step in life.

We seldom get to pick our co-workers in life, yet we have to form a common bond to meet the goals of the company.

The diversity of the Public school has a benefit in this area. In life we have to have both street smarts and book smarts. Those who lack one or the other are at a disadvantage !




there is no advantage to the public school system that makes them more "sociable" than other people. we homeschoolers can react to situations just as easy as a public schooler. now you sometimes get some one who cant socialise, but it doesn't matter which environment there in. I have been able to talk with public schoolers as easy as home schoolers I also think that home schoolers are easier to talk to because you don't have to have all that drama and crap like that. also in the public school system it's every man for himself no one cares if you fail no one cares if you don't have any friends. again I state that there is no advantage to being public school.
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#2585433 - 05/19/11 07:35 AM Re: Homeschoolers VS Public School (moderators welcome [Re: Brennan]
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I think saying homeschoolers can't socialize is like saying dogs can't stop barking, peeing on the carpet, and biting mailmen. There are probably some that is true of. But if the dog is trained properly by its caretaker, then that is not a problem at all, and it can surprise the world by exceeding its expectations. If a homeschooler can't socialize, that's his parent's fault. Personally, I've never seen a real problem with it, because if a parent is responsible enough to school their own kids, they are usually also responsible enough to make sure they get opportunities to socialize. To me, a stranger's just a friend you haven't met.
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#2585662 - 05/19/11 11:22 AM Re: Homeschoolers VS Public School (moderators welcome [Re: Brennan]
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I didnt mean it like that ,I just saying that 90% of the home schoolers Ive met have been really well uh not mature at all. As in a group of (older) teen age boys were acting like 8yr olds.

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#2585828 - 05/19/11 01:21 PM Re: Homeschoolers VS Public School (moderators welcome [Re: Awesomepossum]
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Originally Posted By: Awesomepossum
I didnt mean it like that ,I just saying that 90% of the home schoolers Ive met have been really well uh not mature at all. As in a group of (older) teen age boys were acting like 8yr olds.



well you just met two that aren't like that, me and skunk wrestler I think are quite the opposite of those that you are talking about wink


Edited by frogskinner (05/19/11 01:21 PM)
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#2585832 - 05/19/11 01:23 PM Re: Homeschoolers VS Public School (moderators welcome [Re: Brennan]
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practically every home schooler is the opposite of the types your talking about.

about ninty percent are just like you and then you get the other ten percent who are the kind that you have met.


Edited by frogskinner (05/19/11 01:24 PM)
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#2585849 - 05/19/11 01:46 PM Re: Homeschoolers VS Public School (moderators welcome [Re: Brennan]
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So I guess alot of you home schoolers have a chance to take classes like Ag, Drafting, Autos, Metal working, carpentry classes by a teacher that has lots of years of working at jobs that teaches more than 2+2=4, and that the world is round. That something you can't always learn at home, or from a book. I learned about ag and working on eqiupment at home, but I didn't learn everything I needed to know about it. Also I learned back in high school how to draft and now I have a dagree in it, and would of never learn that at home because the drafting program cost $2000+ for one year of use.For Metal working I doudt your parents could afford the amount it cost to have all ht metal working tools you could find even at a small public school metal shop. Carpentry you could run around with a group building houses, but you probly would just be a grunt man and would miss out on learn the actul trade. At the high school I went to we would have atleast 5 or 6 jobs a year and would have to do it all are selfs and design, and figure cost of the building. So I think a lot of homeschoolers are going to miss out on something that could change their way of life.
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